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And, lets be honest guys,....the fact that Pryor had 1000 yds does not make him a #1 star WR.......
When you're on a team w/o ANY receiver threats, someone is gonna get all the targets.....and that someone "should" get a 1000 yds(at least)...
Looking back....last year was Pryor....year before that was Benji(who returned to average immediately).....Barny had a 1000 too and returned to avg immediately.....before that it was Hawkins......before that it was JG. - The only "legit WR" of the group and he had 1600(because he was the only target....like Barny, Benji, Hawk and Pryor......
This year, the Browns should pass for 3000 to 4000 yards and "someone" is gonna catch those passes.....and if they get 1000, it'll be more due to being the only(primary) target and not because they instantly became great.....
Lets talk when one of these guys actually looks dominant and can consistently get open and catch passes with ease.....right now, none of them have shown they can do that.....but NO ONE is saying they cant.....just saying they have yet to show they can....(big diff).....
So.....it's all about how many targets you get and if there is another player on your team that also demands targets......right now(and the past several years) the Browns have basically targeted one guy.....and the numbers back that up....strongly
And....Ill add....that the coach obviously didnt have enough faith in the youth group to give them targets....(thats the Coach, not us, saying we're not gonna throw the ball to these guys)
And, lets be honest guys,....the fact that Pryor had 1000 yds does not make him a #1 star WR.......
When you're on a team w/o ANY receiver threats, someone is gonna get all the targets.....and that someone "should" get a 1000 yds(at least)...
Looking back....last year was Pryor....year before that was Benji(who returned to average immediately).....Barny had a 1000 too and returned to avg immediately.....before that it was Hawkins......before that it was JG. - The only "legit WR" of the group and he had 1600(because he was the only target....like Barny, Benji, Hawk and Pryor......
This year, the Browns should pass for 3000 to 4000 yards and "someone" is gonna catch those passes.....and if they get 1000, it'll be more due to being the only(primary) target and not because they instantly became great.....
Lets talk when one of these guys actually looks dominant and can consistently get open and catch passes with ease.....right now, none of them have shown they can do that.....but NO ONE is saying they cant.....just saying they have yet to show they can....(big diff).....
So.....it's all about how many targets you get and if there is another player on your team that also demands targets......right now(and the past several years) the Browns have basically targeted one guy.....and the numbers back that up....strongly
And....Ill add....that the coach obviously didnt have enough faith in the youth group to give them targets....(thats the Coach, not us, saying we're not gonna throw the ball to these guys)
I agree with most of your post, but there are two things about Pryor that I found extremely appealing. The first is his "ceiling". Pryor learned a new position and went from a nobody to a very meaningful player...in ONE year. That generally doesn't happen in the NFL, in fact, I can't really think of another example. So if Pryor went from learning a new position to "very good" in one year, it stands to reason that he can get even better. THAT'S what appeals to me about him the most...the perceived room for growth. I say perceived because maybe he already topped out, and he won't really get any better, but I find that doubtful. More likely I see Pryor as somebody who can increase his skill set and ability.
The other aspect of Pryor I really liked was his toughness and competitive nature. The guy is a serious worker, and he's going to go after the money he thinks he should get. He bet on himself to the tune of walking away from a very nice contract to take a $6 million deal for ONE season. He's going to work his ass off, and unless he gets injured, I see him as having a very solid year.
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You know, if we end up getting DGB or not really doesn't matter until we get him.
But man I miss this dude.
You know, if we end up getting DGB or not really doesn't matter until we get him.
But man I miss this dude.
I was at that game. Gordon caught that touchdown directly in front of me, probably about 120 feet from where I stood cheering. I literally had a small tear in my eye because I rooted so hard for Josh to come back and get his life together. I thought he was back, man...
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...well...it'd be nice to have a player or two that handles the ball to be of pro bowl caliber.
All we got is Joe Thomas. And.....who is he blocking for? We need people to block for.
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So, my own question...
Here's who the OL blocks for. (minus WR's listed at outset)
8 Hogan, Kevin QB 6-3 218 24 2 Stanford
6 Kessler, Cody QB 6-1 215 24 2 USC
7 Kizer, DeShone QB 6-4 233 21 R Notre Dame
17 Osweiler, Brock QB 6-8 235 26 5 Arizona State
25 Atkinson III, George RB 6-1 220 24 2 Notre Dame
34 Crowell, Isaiah RB 5-11 225 24 4 Alabama State
37 Dayes, Matthew RB 5-8 205 22 R N.C. State
29 Johnson Jr., Duke RB 5-9 210 23 3 Miami (Fla.)
38 Magee, Terrence RB 5-9 220 24 2 LSU
87 DeValve, Seth TE 6-3 245 24 2 Princeton
88 Holtz, J.P. TE 6-3 240 23 1 Pittsburgh
89 McNamara, Taylor TE 6-5 251 22 Southern California
85 Njoku, David TE 6-4 246 20 R Miami
86 Telfer, Randall TE 6-4 250 25 2 USC
( I notice that RB, Winston, finally fell off the roster )
87 DeValve, Seth TE 6-3 245 24 2 Princeton
88 Holtz, J.P. TE 6-3 240 23 1 Pittsburgh
89 McNamara, Taylor TE 6-5 251 22 Southern California
85 Njoku, David TE 6-4 246 20 R Miami
86 Telfer, Randall TE 6-4 250 25 2 USC
Lets start with some mini game 1 match-ups.TE's---Jesse James 6'7" 261..David Johnson 6'7" 260..X. Grimble 6'4" 257..our Hybrid TE's vs some grown ass gals. WR's----Ant. Brown,Demarcus Ayers & Eli Rogers all 5'10" 180's but will come with three 6'4's 212's in Martavis Bryant,Sammy Coats & Justin Hunter. A pair of 6'2" in HeyBey & JuJu Schuster. The Browns 3 largest corners are all of 6'1 all weighing about 188 lbs. That's if you include Stribling,Howard Wilson & McCourty all at 6'1"on paper..Greg Williams welcome to the jolly queen giants of the AFCN at the WR position..(if we can't draft them big? How bout drafting corners with a faster 40 speed than WR's? we have done neither)
Our wr's are garbage.
While were taking the garbage out
Maybe a QB that can anticipate the spot with accuracy without holding the damn ball in da pocket to do so. -
87 DeValve, Seth TE 6-3 245 24 2 Princeton
88 Holtz, J.P. TE 6-3 240 23 1 Pittsburgh
89 McNamara, Taylor TE 6-5 251 22 Southern California
85 Njoku, David TE 6-4 246 20 R Miami
86 Telfer, Randall TE 6-4 250 25 2 USC
Lets start with some mini game 1 match-ups.TE's---Jesse James 6'7" 261..David Johnson 6'7" 260..X. Grimble 6'4" 257..our Hybrid TE's vs some grown ass gals. WR's----Ant. Brown,Demarcus Ayers & Eli Rogers all 5'10" 180's but will come with three 6'4's 212's in Martavis Bryant,Sammy Coats & Justin Hunter. A pair of 6'2" in HeyBey & JuJu Schuster. The Browns 3 largest corners are all of 6'1 all weighing about 188 lbs. That's if you include Stribling,Howard Wilson & McCourty all at 6'1"on paper..Greg Williams welcome to the jolly queen giants of the AFCN at the WR position..(if we can't draft them big? How bout drafting corners with a faster 40 speed than WR's? we have done neither)
Our wr's are garbage.
While were taking the garbage out
Maybe a QB that can anticipate the spot with accuracy without holding the damn ball in da pocket to do so. While were taking the garbage out
Maybe a QB that can anticipate the spot with accuracy without holding the damn ball in da pocket to do so. I haven't watched the all 22's on this group....but I do think that our "new QB every week" had to have a huge effect on timing and trust, between the QB's and the WR's......hard to anticipate the spot, when you haven't had any notable reps as a group and, therefore, do not even know where "the spot" should be....
None the less.....the problem(I believe) is two fold......Our QB's just arent that good and dont see the field as well as we'd like them to......AND.....our WR's just arent that good and dont get open consistently enough for the QB's to trust that they'll be there(and open) when the ball arrives....
Hence.....check down city....
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While were taking the garbage out
Maybe a QB that can anticipate the spot with accuracy without holding the damn ball in da pocket to do so. I haven't watched the all 22's on this group....but I do think that our "new QB every week" had to have a huge effect on timing and trust, between the QB's and the WR's......hard to anticipate the spot, when you haven't had any notable reps as a group and, therefore, do not even know where "the spot" should be....
None the less.....the problem(I believe) is two fold......Our QB's just arent that good and dont see the field as well as we'd like them to......AND.....our WR's just arent that good and dont get open consistently enough for the QB's to trust that they'll be there(and open) when the ball arrives....
Hence.....check down city....
None the less.....the problem(I believe) is two fold......Our QB's just arent that good and dont see the field as well as we'd like them to......AND.....our WR's just arent that good and dont get open consistently enough for the QB's to trust that they'll be there(and open) when the ball arrives....
Hence.....check down city....
Not sure if Kessler really gained anything with McCown sticking around? McCown stuck to his guns taking a beating in the pocket at release. Maybe Hoyer could have helped getting Kessler's mobility clock to move faster, finding some windows in collapsing pockets. Hoyer might have been are best at seeing the whole field & certainly was not afraid to at least try to stretch the field? Hoyer has the right mindset to go downfield, but just a tick late usually, with a non touch of a bad right armed gun.. imo Nothing will really happen at are WR position till we can find are next Pryor/Gordon that can get off the 1st 5 yard bump without missing a stride.. we shall see
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Why are we even continuing to talk about this guy? He isn't on the Browns. I see no reason to waste the breath on him.
Why are we even continuing to talk about this guy? He isn't on the Browns. I see no reason to waste the breath on him.
I agree .. Why hasn't this thread been shut down?
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Why are we even continuing to talk about this guy? He isn't on the Browns. I see no reason to waste the breath on him.
I agree .. Why hasn't this thread been shut down?
I agree .. Why hasn't this thread been shut down?
Maybe not this one....but the other one on him that has gone for 7 pages.
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Maybe not this one....but the other one on him that has gone for 7 pages.
Yeah , My bad but that thread seems to have more life than its worth or , needed.
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Maybe not this one....but the other one on him that has gone for 7 pages.
Yeah , My bad but that thread seems to have more life than its worth or , needed.
Yeah , My bad ...
yeah, This threads about our WR position in general.
Pryor's name comes up because Last year at this time we were all 'hoping' that he'd turn out to be good because of the position being weak. And the rest of the comedic tragedy of him actually playing well and us ultimately losing him.
Aanyhow, if we were to use more of a two TE offense, as some have suggested, then we might be able to field two decent WR's in Britt & Coleman. And that's 'projecting' that Coleman will improve in his second year. Beyond that we couldn't put up a 3rd and 4th WR set that would scare anyone. (at this point in time)
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The only guy that gives me hope, well, the only TWO that give me hope are Ricardo Louis and Rannell Hall. I know our coaches were high on Hall before the injury last preseason, so perhaps he can reclaim that same magic and be the slot WR we so desperately require. Ricardo Louis has been talked up for a while now, and Browns fans aren't the people that really like to hear that kind of stuff. We've heard it ALL BEFORE, and we need to SEE SOMETHING before we can truly get excited about a WR.
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# player - measurables - age - exp - shcool
15 Alford, Mario WR 5-8 177 25 2 West Virginia
82 Boyce, Josh WR 5-11 205 26 2 TCU
18 Britt, Kenny WR 6-3 223 28 9 Rutgers
19 Coleman, Corey WR 5-11 185 22 2 Baylor
16 Hall, Rannell WR 6-0 200 24 2 Central Florida
81 Higgins, Rashard WR 6-1 198 22 2 Colorado State
11 Leslie, Jordan WR 6-1 209 25 1 Brigham Young
80 Louis, Ricardo WR 6-2 215 23 2 Auburn
83 Mullaney, Richard WR 6-2 204 24 1 Alabama
84 Payton, Jordan WR 6-1 209 23 2 UCLA
13 Wright, James WR 6-1 201 25 4 LSU
NFL career catches & yardage
Alford = 1 catch 15 yards
Boyce = 9 for 121
Britt = 309 for 4881 (avg of 38.6 catches / year)
Coleman = 33 for 413
Hall = zero
Higgins = 6 for 77
Leslie = zero
Louis = 18 for 205
Mullaney = zero
Payton = 1 for 3
Wright = 18 for 197
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Give's ya the warm fuzzies doesn't it...........
# player - measurables - age - exp - shcool
11 Leslie, Jordan WR 6-1 209 25 1 Brigham Young
13 Wright, James WR 6-1 201 25 4 LSU
NFL career catches & yardage
Leslie = zero
Wright = 18 for 197
Put these 2 names in your back pocket Jiggins.We kinda know what we have but these 2 never met a Browns roster. Ourlads has Jordan listed at 6'3" 215 with pro day 40 time of 4.41. Spent some time on Minn.Jags,Atl. & Tenn. Our team WR depth may not match non of them teams. James Wright is listed at 6'2" 203 with 4.4 speed. His 25 catches came backing up a injured AJ Green in Cincinnati where Wright may still be familiar with HueJax's system..Mario Alford, I remember was the #2 & slot man lining up across from Kevin White at West Virginia. Mario saved our return game last season but the guy has Gabriel size at 5'8 180lbs. & quicks of Gabe at 4.34 40 speed..now if we just had a Ryan
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Stat tracker: The Browns are replacing their top two leaders in receptions from 2016 (Terrelle Pryor and Gary Barnidge) and the next two were running backs Isaiah Crowell
and Duke Johnson Jr. Coleman, who had 33 catches for 413 yards in 10 games, is the leading, returning wide receiver.--------------
Britt replaces Pryor. This should not be a problem
Replacing Barnidge is a rookie and a 2nd year guy who was hurt most of his rookie year. It might be a lot to expect from the 2 young players initially.
Coleman. I'm skeptical that he can be healthy. It just seems like he's always gimpy.
We really need a few of that remaining gaggle of receivers on the roster to take huge steps forward this summer / season. I mean, what if, heaven forbid, Britt gets hurt? That'll leave us with gimpy Coleman and a bunch of guys who ran around and often dropped passes last year. We 'need' that trio of improved gagglers. (gagglers: members of a gaggle. - Orionapedia)
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# player - measurables - age - exp - shcool
15 Alford, Mario WR 5-8 177 25 2 West Virginia
82 Boyce, Josh WR 5-11 205 26 2 TCU
18 Britt, Kenny WR 6-3 223 28 9 Rutgers
19 Coleman, Corey WR 5-11 185 22 2 Baylor
16 Hall, Rannell WR 6-0 200 24 2 Central Florida
81 Higgins, Rashard WR 6-1 198 22 2 Colorado State
11 Leslie, Jordan WR 6-1 209 25 1 Brigham Young
80 Louis, Ricardo WR 6-2 215 23 2 Auburn
83 Mullaney, Richard WR 6-2 204 24 1 Alabama
84 Payton, Jordan WR 6-1 209 23 2 UCLA
13 Wright, James WR 6-1 201 25 4 LSU
NFL career catches & yardage
Alford = 1 catch 15 yards
Boyce = 9 for 121
Britt = 309 for 4881 (avg of 38.6 catches / year)
Coleman = 33 for 413
Hall = zero
Higgins = 6 for 77
Leslie = zero
Louis = 18 for 205
Mullaney = zero
Payton = 1 for 3
Wright = 18 for 197
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Give's ya the warm fuzzies doesn't it...........
It look's like our WR's are small, wimpy and non physical...
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New role for the Duke? Slot receiver according to this. If our rookie RB turns out as good as hoped, I can see this happening. I want him on the field a lot more than he has been thus far.
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We need Josh Gordon back.
Damn shame he was denied back in May.. Dude voluntarily checks himself into rehab and is not allowed back...
Armothy Bryant only gets 4 games and he was suspended multiple times last year? GTFO!
#FREEJOSHGORDON!
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We need Josh Gordon back.
Damn shame he was denied back in May.. Dude voluntarily checks himself into rehab and is not allowed back...
Armothy Bryant only gets 4 games and he was suspended multiple times last year? GTFO!
#FREEJOSHGORDON!
We need Josh Gordon back.
Damn shame he was denied back in May.. Dude voluntarily checks himself into rehab and is not allowed back...
Armothy Bryant only gets 4 games and he was suspended multiple times last year? GTFO!
#FREEJOSHGORDON!
Again, the treatment of Gordon is...to me, completely unjust. Leveon Bell and he have the same number of drug violations....and Bell has gotten like 3 games....but JG has gotten 3 years. And like you said, others have gotten maybe 4 games......not 4 years.
I know it is fashionable among you all to denounce Gordon as a fucking idiot....and sure...he is for getting mixed up in drugs and alcohol.
But I am talking simply about equity. Others who have had issues just as bad or worse have received much, much, much more lenient treatment. I would have nothing to bitch about if a person with the same number of violations who only got like 1/16th the amount of punishment.....was given the same treatment.
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I certainly know that the punishment levied onto Josh Gordon is unjustly harsh.
He's a guy with a target on his back.
BUT HE HAS TO KNOW THAT...AND BE SQUEAKY CLEAN.....in order to make an incredible amount of money...for 7 - 10 years.
That's why I'm down on him. He KNOWS he has to give up the partying stuff to play football. He just doesn't do it.
Other players can still party. But that's because they're not in the 'system'. HE CANNOT.
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So spank me . . . .
Flash GordonVerified account @JOSH_GORDONXII 8h8 hours ago
God is GREAT..
104 replies 498 retweets 1,248 likes....Jordan ZirmVerified account @clevezirm 4h4 hours agofrom a source close to Josh Gordon: the wide receiver is in "good spirits" and expects some "good news" in the near future
18 replies 70 retweets 96 likes..... . . . keep the salt on hand . . ..
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