WR

jiggins7919

The only guy that gives me hope, well, the only TWO that give me hope are Ricardo Louis and Rannell Hall. I know our coaches were high on Hall before the injury last preseason, so perhaps he can reclaim that same magic and be the slot WR we so desperately require. Ricardo Louis has been talked up for a while now, and Browns fans aren't the people that really like to hear that kind of stuff. We've heard it ALL BEFORE, and we need to SEE SOMETHING before we can truly get excited about a WR.

gumby73

@orion said:

# player - measurables - age - exp - shcool

11 Leslie, Jordan WR 6-1 209 25 1 Brigham Young

13 Wright, James WR 6-1 201 25 4 LSU

NFL career catches & yardage

Leslie = zero

Wright = 18 for 197

Put these 2 names in your back pocket Jiggins.We kinda know what we have but these 2 never met a Browns roster. Ourlads has Jordan listed at 6'3" 215 with pro day 40 time of 4.41. Spent some time on Minn.Jags,Atl. & Tenn. Our team WR depth may not match non of them teams. James Wright is listed at 6'2" 203 with 4.4 speed. His 25 catches came backing up a injured AJ Green in Cincinnati where Wright may still be familiar with HueJax's system..Mario Alford, I remember was the #2 & slot man lining up across from Kevin White at West Virginia. Mario saved our return game last season but the guy has Gabriel size at 5'8 180lbs. & quicks of Gabe at 4.34 40 speed..now if we just had a Ryan ..

Orion

Stat tracker: The Browns are replacing their top two leaders in receptions from 2016 (Terrelle Pryor and Gary Barnidge) and the next two were running backs Isaiah Crowell and Duke Johnson Jr. Coleman, who had 33 catches for 413 yards in 10 games, is the leading, returning wide receiver.

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Britt replaces Pryor. This should not be a problem

Replacing Barnidge is a rookie and a 2nd year guy who was hurt most of his rookie year. It might be a lot to expect from the 2 young players initially.

Coleman. I'm skeptical that he can be healthy. It just seems like he's always gimpy.

We really need a few of that remaining gaggle of receivers on the roster to take huge steps forward this summer / season. I mean, what if, heaven forbid, Britt gets hurt? That'll leave us with gimpy Coleman and a bunch of guys who ran around and often dropped passes last year. We 'need' that trio of improved gagglers. (gagglers: members of a gaggle. - Orionapedia)

ElkDawg

@nickers said:
It look's like our WR's are small, wimpy and non physical...

That's cuz they are Nickers

ElkDawg

The wr and DB are both serious concerns

TexasAg1969

New role for the Duke? Slot receiver according to this. If our rookie RB turns out as good as hoped, I can see this happening. I want him on the field a lot more than he has been thus far.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/24/browns-may-make-duke-johnson-their-no-1-slot-receiver/

domcucch1994

We need Josh Gordon back.

Damn shame he was denied back in May.. Dude voluntarily checks himself into rehab and is not allowed back...

Armothy Bryant only gets 4 games and he was suspended multiple times last year? GTFO!

#FREEJOSHGORDON!

The Gipper

@domcucch1994 said:

We need Josh Gordon back.

Damn shame he was denied back in May.. Dude voluntarily checks himself into rehab and is not allowed back...

Armothy Bryant only gets 4 games and he was suspended multiple times last year? GTFO!

#FREEJOSHGORDON!

Again, the treatment of Gordon is...to me, completely unjust. Leveon Bell and he have the same number of drug violations....and Bell has gotten like 3 games....but JG has gotten 3 years. And like you said, others have gotten maybe 4 games......not 4 years.

I know it is fashionable among you all to denounce Gordon as a fucking idiot....and sure...he is for getting mixed up in drugs and alcohol.

But I am talking simply about equity. Others who have had issues just as bad or worse have received much, much, much more lenient treatment. I would have nothing to bitch about if a person with the same number of violations who only got like 1/16th the amount of punishment.....was given the same treatment.

Orion

I certainly know that the punishment levied onto Josh Gordon is unjustly harsh.

He's a guy with a target on his back.

BUT HE HAS TO KNOW THAT...AND BE SQUEAKY CLEAN.....in order to make an incredible amount of money...for 7 - 10 years.

That's why I'm down on him. He KNOWS he has to give up the partying stuff to play football. He just doesn't do it.

Other players can still party. But that's because they're not in the 'system'. HE CANNOT.

JAFBF

So spank me . . . .

Flash Gordon‏Verified account @JOSH_GORDONXII 8h8 hours ago

God is GREAT..

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Jordan Zirm‏Verified account @clevezirm 4h4 hours ago

from a source close to Josh Gordon: the wide receiver is in "good spirits" and expects some "good news" in the near future

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. . . . keep the salt on hand . . .

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Orion

Yes Josh. God IS great.

But Godelle isn't. And you haven't been a good boy.

It'll take a miracle for you to be a decent football player again.

Flugel

@the-gipper said:

Again, the treatment of Gordon is...to me, completely unjust. Leveon Bell and he have the same number of drug violations....and Bell has gotten like 3 games....but JG has gotten 3 years. And like you said, others have gotten maybe 4 games......not 4 years.

I know it is fashionable among you all to denounce Gordon as a fucking idiot....and sure...he is for getting mixed up in drugs and alcohol.

But I am talking simply about equity.

I'll explain this "equity" Gordon chose to waive. Pay particular attention to paragraph 3.

Despite being an elite high school football player and prospect, something/rumors scared off all but 1 major Division I college football program. And that program was Baylor (the Sodom and Gomorrah of college football), which he managed to get kicked off twice for partying. He actually tested positive 3 times at Baylor and he did so again at Utah. Pattern?

Due to the circumstances he put himself in - Gordon entered the NFL supplemental draft. Upon doing so, he was given some choices and he agreed to begin his NFL career in the NFL Substance Abuse Program that had him beginning with 1 or 2 strikes against him already. This also meant he agreed to on-going testing that could be performed at any time (meaning he pretty waived his right to be equal to other draftees/players). Again, this was HIS CHOICE. Well.... If you fail to prepare - then you should prepare to fail. He did - again and again and again and again. Fooled me twice (even after he didn't learn in college). As a fan, I wanted this guy with this kind of talent to get the chance to succeed for my favorite team. Who wouldn't want that?

But, what it has always boiled down to is - does he love football enough to make the sacrifice? Not yet! Does he prioritize his pro football career for the 1 NFL franchise that said "we believe in you Josh?" Not yet! When it finally looked like he was going to come out of suspension - we learned he had been partying enough to check into rehab.

Unfortunately, he's only played in 5 football games since 2013. The only person that has always been in Gordon's way is Gordon. The "Poor Josh" crowd always likes to bring up how pot isn't that bad or evil. While true, if one isn't supposed to test positive for it in order to be employed - pass the freakin piss test and welcome to happily ever after!

Mudfly

Wr is scaring me more and more everyday,,,,,not a very good looking group....and an injury(or 2) away from being a terrible group....

So,,,, Duke and Seth to the rescue?......not a bad adjustment, but a shame we have to use our RB's and TE's to compensate for a lack of WR's.....

Keep hearing Ricardo Louis as the hot WR in camp......the good is that he may be getting better?(hopefully).....the bad is that Coleman and Britt aint making noise.....

The Gipper

@flugel said:

I'll explain this "equity" Gordon chose to waive. Pay particular attention to paragraph 3.

Despite being an elite high school football player and prospect, something/rumors scared off all but 1 major Division I college football program. And that program was Baylor (the Sodom and Gomorrah of college football), which he managed to get kicked off twice for partying. He actually tested positive 3 times at Baylor and he did so again at Utah. Pattern?

Due to the circumstances he put himself in - Gordon entered the NFL supplemental draft. Upon doing so, he was given some choices and he agreed to begin his NFL career in the NFL Substance Abuse Program that had him beginning with 1 or 2 strikes against him already. This also meant he agreed to on-going testing that could be performed at any time (meaning he pretty waived his right to be equal to other draftees/players). Again, this was HIS CHOICE. Well.... If you fail to prepare - then you should prepare to fail. He did - again and again and again and again. Fooled me twice (even after he didn't learn in college). As a fan, I wanted this guy with this kind of talent to get the chance to succeed for my favorite team. Who wouldn't want that?

But, what it has always boiled down to is - does he love football enough to make the sacrifice? Not yet! Does he prioritize his pro football career for the 1 NFL franchise that said "we believe in you Josh?" Not yet! When it finally looked like he was going to come out of suspension - we learned he had been partying enough to check into rehab.

Unfortunately, he's only played in 5 football games since 2013. The only person that has always been in Gordon's way is Gordon. The "Poor Josh" crowd always likes to bring up how pot isn't that bad or evil. While true, if one isn't supposed to test positive for it in order to be employed - pass the freakin piss test and welcome to happily ever after!

That is all fine well and good. Gordon is a fuckup. But he got 3-4 years for being a fuckup....and another guy that is just as big a drug fuckup as Gordon gets 3 games.

Again...I am not debating that Gordon is a fuckup.....its just that there are hundreds of equal fuckups in this game....and NONE of them got the suspension time that Gordon has.

Its an issue of equal treatment. And no, your post did nothing to address this issue. Again, you just concentrated how JG has screwed up....and not on how his treatment compares to similarly situated players.

Why is it so hard to understand what I am talking about.

Mudfly

Im with you Gip....

I totally get that Gordon dug his own grave and broke the rules...

But, I also understand that his punishment is completely unprecedented and not representative of what ANY other player has ever experienced for similar or even more severe issues....

nickers

@mudfly said:

Wr is scaring me more and more everyday,,,,,not a very good looking group....and an injury(or 2) away from being a terrible group....

So,,,, Duke and Seth to the rescue?......not a bad adjustment, but a shame we have to use our RB's and TE's to compensate for a lack of WR's.....

Keep hearing Ricardo Louis as the hot WR in camp......the good is that he may be getting better?(hopefully).....the bad is that Coleman and Britt aint making noise.....

Ricardo Louis has about as much business being on the Browns as I do.. We both cant catch a friggin cold.

Flugel

@the-gipper said:

That is all fine well and good. Gordon is a fuckup. But he got 3-4 years for being a fuckup....and another guy that is just as big a drug fuckup as Gordon gets 3 games. Again...I am not debating that Gordon is a fuckup..... - Gips

Neither am I. I was just giving you background information leading up to why he needed to go in the Supplemental Draft as well as why he was given a choice to begin his career in the NFL Substance Abuse Program. - Flugel

its just that there are hundreds of equal fuckups in this game....and NONE of them got the suspension time that Gordon has. Its an issue of equal treatment. - Gips

Because unlike Gordon, none of them agreed to start their NFL careers off in the NFL Substance Abuse Program - which would have subjected them to all of the same ongoing testing Josh agreed to. Not only that, like Josh - they would have all started their careers off with the equivalent of a positive drug test for merely agreeing to start off in that program (treating him like a repeat offender the first time he tests positive). It was my understanding (and this could be wrong) that if he didn't test positive for a certain length of time - he would have been given a clean slate. Then, he would have been treated just like everyone else with any new positive tests. Unfortunately, he never did that for himself.

I got all this information about 4-5 years ago on the OBR back when it was unfolding. - Flugel

And no, your post did nothing to address this issue. Again, you just concentrated how JG has screwed up....and not on how his treatment compares to similarly situated players. - Gips

Not so fast. If you actually read what you cut and pasted by me - you'd actually see I did address this issue. In fact, I gave you a heads up on line 1 sentence 2 where that was going to take place (in paragraph 3). Here's a cut and paste of that paragraph 3 and try to focus on the part in bold italics:

Due to the circumstances he put himself in - Gordon entered the NFL supplemental draft. Upon doing so, he was given some choices and he agreed to begin his NFL career in the NFL Substance Abuse Program that had him beginning with 1 or 2 strikes against him already. This also meant he agreed to on-going testing that could be performed at any time (meaning he pretty waived his right to be equal to other draftees/players). Again, this was HIS CHOICE. - Flugel

Why is it so hard to understand what I am talking about. - Gips

I did understand Gipsies so I wanted to let you know why his situation was different. - Flugel

Tour2ma

I think the one fact that has to be added is that JG's most recent test fail was alcohol related, not drug related.

Mudfly

@tour2ma said:
I think the one fact that has to be added is that JG's most recent test fail was alcohol related, not drug related.

Yep.....out of all his NFL suspensions, only one was actually for weed.....

He's a very diverse suspension getter.....his first was codeine....then weed.....then a DUI.....then having a drink......then some vague breaking of team rules.....then missing a test......and now ???.....who knows......

LBC mike

Did he sleep with Rogers wife?