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New role for the Duke? Slot receiver according to this. If our rookie RB turns out as good as hoped, I can see this happening. I want him on the field a lot more than he has been thus far.
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We need Josh Gordon back.
Damn shame he was denied back in May.. Dude voluntarily checks himself into rehab and is not allowed back...
Armothy Bryant only gets 4 games and he was suspended multiple times last year? GTFO!
#FREEJOSHGORDON!
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We need Josh Gordon back.
Damn shame he was denied back in May.. Dude voluntarily checks himself into rehab and is not allowed back...
Armothy Bryant only gets 4 games and he was suspended multiple times last year? GTFO!
#FREEJOSHGORDON!
We need Josh Gordon back.
Damn shame he was denied back in May.. Dude voluntarily checks himself into rehab and is not allowed back...
Armothy Bryant only gets 4 games and he was suspended multiple times last year? GTFO!
#FREEJOSHGORDON!
Again, the treatment of Gordon is...to me, completely unjust. Leveon Bell and he have the same number of drug violations....and Bell has gotten like 3 games....but JG has gotten 3 years. And like you said, others have gotten maybe 4 games......not 4 years.
I know it is fashionable among you all to denounce Gordon as a fucking idiot....and sure...he is for getting mixed up in drugs and alcohol.
But I am talking simply about equity. Others who have had issues just as bad or worse have received much, much, much more lenient treatment. I would have nothing to bitch about if a person with the same number of violations who only got like 1/16th the amount of punishment.....was given the same treatment.
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I certainly know that the punishment levied onto Josh Gordon is unjustly harsh.
He's a guy with a target on his back.
BUT HE HAS TO KNOW THAT...AND BE SQUEAKY CLEAN.....in order to make an incredible amount of money...for 7 - 10 years.
That's why I'm down on him. He KNOWS he has to give up the partying stuff to play football. He just doesn't do it.
Other players can still party. But that's because they're not in the 'system'. HE CANNOT.
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So spank me . . . .
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God is GREAT..
104 replies 498 retweets 1,248 likes....Jordan ZirmVerified account @clevezirm 4h4 hours agofrom a source close to Josh Gordon: the wide receiver is in "good spirits" and expects some "good news" in the near future
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We need Josh Gordon back.
Damn shame he was denied back in May.. Dude voluntarily checks himself into rehab and is not allowed back...
Armothy Bryant only gets 4 games and he was suspended multiple times last year? GTFO!
#FREEJOSHGORDON!
Again, the treatment of Gordon is...to me, completely unjust. Leveon Bell and he have the same number of drug violations....and Bell has gotten like 3 games....but JG has gotten 3 years. And like you said, others have gotten maybe 4 games......not 4 years.
I know it is fashionable among you all to denounce Gordon as a fucking idiot....and sure...he is for getting mixed up in drugs and alcohol.
But I am talking simply about equity. Others who have had issues just as bad or worse have received much, much, much more lenient treatment. I would have nothing to bitch about if a person with the same number of violations who only got like 1/16th the amount of punishment.....was given the same treatment.
Again, the treatment of Gordon is...to me, completely unjust. Leveon Bell and he have the same number of drug violations....and Bell has gotten like 3 games....but JG has gotten 3 years. And like you said, others have gotten maybe 4 games......not 4 years.
I know it is fashionable among you all to denounce Gordon as a fucking idiot....and sure...he is for getting mixed up in drugs and alcohol.
But I am talking simply about equity.
I'll explain this "equity" Gordon chose to waive. Pay particular attention to paragraph 3.
Despite being an elite high school football player and prospect, something/rumors scared off all but 1 major Division I college football program. And that program was Baylor (the Sodom and Gomorrah of college football), which he managed to get kicked off twice for partying. He actually tested positive 3 times at Baylor and he did so again at Utah. Pattern?
Due to the circumstances he put himself in - Gordon entered the NFL supplemental draft. Upon doing so, he was given some choices and he agreed to begin his NFL career in the NFL Substance Abuse Program that had him beginning with 1 or 2 strikes against him already. This also meant he agreed to on-going testing that could be performed at any time (meaning he pretty waived his right to be equal to other draftees/players). Again, this was HIS CHOICE. Well.... If you fail to prepare - then you should prepare to fail. He did - again and again and again and again. Fooled me twice (even after he didn't learn in college). As a fan, I wanted this guy with this kind of talent to get the chance to succeed for my favorite team. Who wouldn't want that?
But, what it has always boiled down to is - does he love football enough to make the sacrifice? Not yet! Does he prioritize his pro football career for the 1 NFL franchise that said "we believe in you Josh?" Not yet! When it finally looked like he was going to come out of suspension - we learned he had been partying enough to check into rehab.
Unfortunately, he's only played in 5 football games since 2013. The only person that has always been in Gordon's way is Gordon. The "Poor Josh" crowd always likes to bring up how pot isn't that bad or evil. While true, if one isn't supposed to test positive for it in order to be employed - pass the freakin piss test and welcome to happily ever after!
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Wr is scaring me more and more everyday,,,,,not a very good looking group....and an injury(or 2) away from being a terrible group....
So,,,, Duke and Seth to the rescue?......not a bad adjustment, but a shame we have to use our RB's and TE's to compensate for a lack of WR's.....
Keep hearing Ricardo Louis as the hot WR in camp......the good is that he may be getting better?(hopefully).....the bad is that Coleman and Britt aint making noise.....
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Again, the treatment of Gordon is...to me, completely unjust. Leveon Bell and he have the same number of drug violations....and Bell has gotten like 3 games....but JG has gotten 3 years. And like you said, others have gotten maybe 4 games......not 4 years.
I know it is fashionable among you all to denounce Gordon as a fucking idiot....and sure...he is for getting mixed up in drugs and alcohol.
But I am talking simply about equity.
I'll explain this "equity" Gordon chose to waive. Pay particular attention to paragraph 3.
Despite being an elite high school football player and prospect, something/rumors scared off all but 1 major Division I college football program. And that program was Baylor (the Sodom and Gomorrah of college football), which he managed to get kicked off twice for partying. He actually tested positive 3 times at Baylor and he did so again at Utah. Pattern?
Due to the circumstances he put himself in - Gordon entered the NFL supplemental draft. Upon doing so, he was given some choices and he agreed to begin his NFL career in the NFL Substance Abuse Program that had him beginning with 1 or 2 strikes against him already. This also meant he agreed to on-going testing that could be performed at any time (meaning he pretty waived his right to be equal to other draftees/players). Again, this was HIS CHOICE. Well.... If you fail to prepare - then you should prepare to fail. He did - again and again and again and again. Fooled me twice (even after he didn't learn in college). As a fan, I wanted this guy with this kind of talent to get the chance to succeed for my favorite team. Who wouldn't want that?
But, what it has always boiled down to is - does he love football enough to make the sacrifice? Not yet! Does he prioritize his pro football career for the 1 NFL franchise that said "we believe in you Josh?" Not yet! When it finally looked like he was going to come out of suspension - we learned he had been partying enough to check into rehab.
Unfortunately, he's only played in 5 football games since 2013. The only person that has always been in Gordon's way is Gordon. The "Poor Josh" crowd always likes to bring up how pot isn't that bad or evil. While true, if one isn't supposed to test positive for it in order to be employed - pass the freakin piss test and welcome to happily ever after!
I'll explain this "equity" Gordon chose to waive. Pay particular attention to paragraph 3.
Despite being an elite high school football player and prospect, something/rumors scared off all but 1 major Division I college football program. And that program was Baylor (the Sodom and Gomorrah of college football), which he managed to get kicked off twice for partying. He actually tested positive 3 times at Baylor and he did so again at Utah. Pattern?
Due to the circumstances he put himself in - Gordon entered the NFL supplemental draft. Upon doing so, he was given some choices and he agreed to begin his NFL career in the NFL Substance Abuse Program that had him beginning with 1 or 2 strikes against him already. This also meant he agreed to on-going testing that could be performed at any time (meaning he pretty waived his right to be equal to other draftees/players). Again, this was HIS CHOICE. Well.... If you fail to prepare - then you should prepare to fail. He did - again and again and again and again. Fooled me twice (even after he didn't learn in college). As a fan, I wanted this guy with this kind of talent to get the chance to succeed for my favorite team. Who wouldn't want that?
But, what it has always boiled down to is - does he love football enough to make the sacrifice? Not yet! Does he prioritize his pro football career for the 1 NFL franchise that said "we believe in you Josh?" Not yet! When it finally looked like he was going to come out of suspension - we learned he had been partying enough to check into rehab.
Unfortunately, he's only played in 5 football games since 2013. The only person that has always been in Gordon's way is Gordon. The "Poor Josh" crowd always likes to bring up how pot isn't that bad or evil. While true, if one isn't supposed to test positive for it in order to be employed - pass the freakin piss test and welcome to happily ever after!
That is all fine well and good. Gordon is a fuckup. But he got 3-4 years for being a fuckup....and another guy that is just as big a drug fuckup as Gordon gets 3 games.
Again...I am not debating that Gordon is a fuckup.....its just that there are hundreds of equal fuckups in this game....and NONE of them got the suspension time that Gordon has.
Its an issue of equal treatment. And no, your post did nothing to address this issue. Again, you just concentrated how JG has screwed up....and not on how his treatment compares to similarly situated players.
Why is it so hard to understand what I am talking about.
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Im with you Gip....
I totally get that Gordon dug his own grave and broke the rules...
But, I also understand that his punishment is completely unprecedented and not representative of what ANY other player has ever experienced for similar or even more severe issues....
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Wr is scaring me more and more everyday,,,,,not a very good looking group....and an injury(or 2) away from being a terrible group....
So,,,, Duke and Seth to the rescue?......not a bad adjustment, but a shame we have to use our RB's and TE's to compensate for a lack of WR's.....
Keep hearing Ricardo Louis as the hot WR in camp......the good is that he may be getting better?(hopefully).....the bad is that Coleman and Britt aint making noise.....
Wr is scaring me more and more everyday,,,,,not a very good looking group....and an injury(or 2) away from being a terrible group....
So,,,, Duke and Seth to the rescue?......not a bad adjustment, but a shame we have to use our RB's and TE's to compensate for a lack of WR's.....
Keep hearing Ricardo Louis as the hot WR in camp......the good is that he may be getting better?(hopefully).....the bad is that Coleman and Britt aint making noise.....
Ricardo Louis has about as much business being on the Browns as I do.. We both cant catch a friggin cold.
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I'll explain this "equity" Gordon chose to waive. Pay particular attention to paragraph 3.
Despite being an elite high school football player and prospect, something/rumors scared off all but 1 major Division I college football program. And that program was Baylor (the Sodom and Gomorrah of college football), which he managed to get kicked off twice for partying. He actually tested positive 3 times at Baylor and he did so again at Utah. Pattern?
Due to the circumstances he put himself in - Gordon entered the NFL supplemental draft. Upon doing so, he was given some choices and he agreed to begin his NFL career in the NFL Substance Abuse Program that had him beginning with 1 or 2 strikes against him already. This also meant he agreed to on-going testing that could be performed at any time (meaning he pretty waived his right to be equal to other draftees/players). Again, this was HIS CHOICE. Well.... If you fail to prepare - then you should prepare to fail. He did - again and again and again and again. Fooled me twice (even after he didn't learn in college). As a fan, I wanted this guy with this kind of talent to get the chance to succeed for my favorite team. Who wouldn't want that?
But, what it has always boiled down to is - does he love football enough to make the sacrifice? Not yet! Does he prioritize his pro football career for the 1 NFL franchise that said "we believe in you Josh?" Not yet! When it finally looked like he was going to come out of suspension - we learned he had been partying enough to check into rehab.
Unfortunately, he's only played in 5 football games since 2013. The only person that has always been in Gordon's way is Gordon. The "Poor Josh" crowd always likes to bring up how pot isn't that bad or evil. While true, if one isn't supposed to test positive for it in order to be employed - pass the freakin piss test and welcome to happily ever after!
That is all fine well and good. Gordon is a fuckup. But he got 3-4 years for being a fuckup....and another guy that is just as big a drug fuckup as Gordon gets 3 games.
Again...I am not debating that Gordon is a fuckup.....its just that there are hundreds of equal fuckups in this game....and NONE of them got the suspension time that Gordon has.
Its an issue of equal treatment. And no, your post did nothing to address this issue. Again, you just concentrated how JG has screwed up....and not on how his treatment compares to similarly situated players.
Why is it so hard to understand what I am talking about.
That is all fine well and good. Gordon is a fuckup. But he got 3-4 years for being a fuckup....and another guy that is just as big a drug fuckup as Gordon gets 3 games. Again...I am not debating that Gordon is a fuckup..... - Gips
Neither am I. I was just giving you background information leading up to why he needed to go in the Supplemental Draft as well as why he was given a choice to begin his career in the NFL Substance Abuse Program. - Flugel
its just that there are hundreds of equal fuckups in this game....and NONE of them got the suspension time that Gordon has. Its an issue of equal treatment. - Gips
Because unlike Gordon, none of them agreed to start their NFL careers off in the NFL Substance Abuse Program - which would have subjected them to all of the same ongoing testing Josh agreed to. Not only that, like Josh - they would have all started their careers off with the equivalent of a positive drug test for merely agreeing to start off in that program (treating him like a repeat offender the first time he tests positive). It was my understanding (and this could be wrong) that if he didn't test positive for a certain length of time - he would have been given a clean slate. Then, he would have been treated just like everyone else with any new positive tests. Unfortunately, he never did that for himself.
I got all this information about 4-5 years ago on the OBR back when it was unfolding. - Flugel
And no, your post did nothing to address this issue. Again, you just concentrated how JG has screwed up....and not on how his treatment compares to similarly situated players. - Gips
Not so fast. If you actually read what you cut and pasted by me - you'd actually see I did address this issue. In fact, I gave you a heads up on line 1 sentence 2 where that was going to take place (in paragraph 3). Here's a cut and paste of that paragraph 3 and try to focus on the part in bold italics:
Due to the circumstances he put himself in - Gordon entered the NFL supplemental draft. Upon doing so, he was given some choices and he agreed to begin his NFL career in the NFL Substance Abuse Program that had him beginning with 1 or 2 strikes against him already. This also meant he agreed to on-going testing that could be performed at any time (meaning he pretty waived his right to be equal to other draftees/players). Again, this was HIS CHOICE. - Flugel
Why is it so hard to understand what I am talking about. - Gips
I did understand Gipsies so I wanted to let you know why his situation was different. - Flugel
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I think the one fact that has to be added is that JG's most recent test fail was alcohol related, not drug related.
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I think the one fact that has to be added is that JG's most recent test fail was alcohol related, not drug related.
I think the one fact that has to be added is that JG's most recent test fail was alcohol related, not drug related.
Yep.....out of all his NFL suspensions, only one was actually for weed.....
He's a very diverse suspension getter.....his first was codeine....then weed.....then a DUI.....then having a drink......then some vague breaking of team rules.....then missing a test......and now ???.....who knows......
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Did he sleep with Rogers wife?
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Well....we have at least 3 guys in the program right now.....and probably a few more that we dont know about.....let's hope they all learned something from Josh.....
Rethinking.....I bet Haden is clear by now.....
Still boggles my mind that we used a first round pick on a guy in the program, after all the shit with Josh....
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I think the one fact that has to be added is that JG's most recent test fail was alcohol related, not drug related.
I think the one fact that has to be added is that JG's most recent test fail was alcohol related, not drug related.
It's been brought up a lot in previous discussions. Being in the NFL Substance Abuse program IS drug related; so the couple beers he had with teammates would have been fine if he hadn't already cornered himself to that.
Furthermore, as he last approached a season where he was going to be able to play the final 12 games of a 16 game season - what prevented him from playing football again? Does one really check into a rehab if there isn't still an on-going drug issue? We're conveniently leaving that out just like his need to hang out with Manziel and the other buddy that had a huge bag of weed in Josh's glove compartment when he got pulled over for speeding. He didn't get suspended when his buddy owned up to the bag of weed; but how much does that show anyone an effort to make his surroundings better for his NFL situation?
And let's not pretend all his suspensions have been exclusive to just the NFL. He tested positive 3 times at Baylor but only got kicked off the team twice. He tested positive again at Utah.
All that being the case, I was hoping the huge volume of mess-ups would have finally brought him to a now or never urgency the last time he was only 4 games away from a green light to play again. That got intercepted by Gordon checking into rehab. Again, he's in the NFL Drug Abuse program which now has him at pass the piss test or piss on his career for the last time.
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I think the one fact that has to be added is that JG's most recent test fail was alcohol related, not drug related.
It's been brought up a lot in previous discussions. Being in the NFL Substance Abuse program IS drug related; so the couple beers he had with teammates would have been fine if he hadn't already cornered himself to that.
Furthermore, as he last approached a season where he was going to be able to play the final 12 games of a 16 game season - what prevented him from playing football again? Does one really check into a rehab if there isn't still an on-going drug issue? We're conveniently leaving that out just like his need to hang out with Manziel and the other buddy that had a huge bag of weed in Josh's glove compartment when he got pulled over for speeding. He didn't get suspended when his buddy owned up to the bag of weed; but how much does that show anyone an effort to make his surroundings better for his NFL situation?
And let's not pretend all his suspensions have been exclusive to just the NFL. He tested positive 3 times at Baylor but only got kicked off the team twice. He tested positive again at Utah.
All that being the case, I was hoping the huge volume of mess-ups would have finally brought him to a now or never urgency the last time he was only 4 games away from a green light to play again. That got intercepted by Gordon checking into rehab. Again, he's in the NFL Drug Abuse program which now has him at pass the piss test or piss on his career for the last time.
All that being the case, I was hoping the huge volume of mess-ups would have finally brought him to a now or never urgency...... That got intercepted by Gordon checking into rehab.
So.....(serious question here).....you dont think Josh finally going into rehab is a positive step toward getting serious about what may or may not be left of his career?.....
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I think the one fact that has to be added is that JG's most recent test fail was alcohol related, not drug related.
It's been brought up a lot in previous discussions. Being in the NFL Substance Abuse program IS drug related; so the couple beers he had with teammates would have been fine if he hadn't already cornered himself to that.
Furthermore, as he last approached a season where he was going to be able to play the final 12 games of a 16 game season - what prevented him from playing football again? Does one really check into a rehab if there isn't still an on-going drug issue? We're conveniently leaving that out just like his need to hang out with Manziel and the other buddy that had a huge bag of weed in Josh's glove compartment when he got pulled over for speeding. He didn't get suspended when his buddy owned up to the bag of weed; but how much does that show anyone an effort to make his surroundings better for his NFL situation?
And let's not pretend all his suspensions have been exclusive to just the NFL. He tested positive 3 times at Baylor but only got kicked off the team twice. He tested positive again at Utah.
All that being the case, I was hoping the huge volume of mess-ups would have finally brought him to a now or never urgency the last time he was only 4 games away from a green light to play again. That got intercepted by Gordon checking into rehab. Again, he's in the NFL Drug Abuse program which now has him at pass the piss test or piss on his career for the last time.
It's been brought up a lot in previous discussions. Being in the NFL Substance Abuse program IS drug related; so the couple beers he had with teammates would have been fine if he hadn't already cornered himself to that.
I know... I've done most of the "bringing up". At least it feels that way.
Josh's alcohol prohibition was completely separate from his substance abuse status. The alcohol tack on was prompted by his DWI traffic stop July, 2014.
This is all per the negotiated NFL Policy under the CBA. While alcohol and "illegal drugs" are both in the same policy section, they are enumerated in separate policy subsections. In the discussion of "each" in its own subsection, there is specific exclusion of "the other".
https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Agents/2016SOAPolicy_v2.pdf
Just setting the record straight... not defending our problem child... anymore. Gave that up with his rehab detour coming on a year ago. Since then I've been in Camp "Does-he-have-enough-left-to-miss?"
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All that being the case, I was hoping the huge volume of mess-ups would have finally brought him to a now or never urgency...... That got intercepted by Gordon checking into rehab.
So.....(serious question here).....you dont think Josh finally going into rehab is a positive step toward getting serious about what may or may not be left of his career?.....
So.....(serious question here).....you dont think Josh finally going into rehab is a positive step toward getting serious about what may or may not be left of his career?.....
This far past when he should have done this a couple suspensions ago? No, because I question the lack of urgency all this time he's continued to over-complicate piss tests. This story of the boy who cried wolf began as early as Baylor. Go back and read the sincere apologies and promises to get it right back then continuing right through to when we drafted him and many suspensions thereafter. Here we are 6 years into his NFL not looking any different than what happened to him in college.
Man, this guy has been the biggest football tease of my life following this franchise. Nobody has ever frustrated me more. We've needed him and he's just had other priorities than his professional football career. Can we at least stop pretending how hard it is to pass a freakin piss test?
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