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  • So, regardless of your take, the situation in Cinci will shed quite a bit on this OL versus skilled player debate.

    As I have stated, I believe the Cinci O will be better this year than last year. I don't believe that the fatasses they lost are any different than the fatasses who will take their place.

    As for the OL opening holes, this is largely a misnomer. It is the QB and WR TE and RB along with play calling that opens holes. I don't care who the 5 OL are, if the D knows what is coming, if the D does not have to bite on play action or worry about deep balls, they camp out. And again, no 5 offensive linemen can block 8 defensive players.

    It is the defense feeling the pressure of many offensive weapons that gives an OL it's edge and wears down the opposing defense. I promise you, there is negligible difference between their 320 fat ass and ours. A fatass is a fatass is a fatass. Offensive linemen are fat asses. From pee-pee football they are segregated as the group who can't pass, catch, run, punt, kick, tackle or cover. Slow blobs become OL. There is little skill level here.

    All I am saying is that if you OL pimps are correct, The Bengal offense should suck this year. If Ghoolie is right, which I usually am, the Bengals will shred the scoreboard this season. If they do, a lot of "TBB experts" are going to be scratching their asses wondering how Ghoolie could have called this right.

    Finally, the Browns offense is too full of variables to predict. The OL has little to do with it. If Kizer turns out to be the next Joe Namath, we could pick 5 members here to play OL and it won't matter. In any case, this will be fun to watch.

    @ghoolie said:

    So, regardless of your take, the situation in Cinci will shed quite a bit on this OL versus skilled player debate.

    I don't know if that is true. Too many variables involved to make any definitive conclusion.

    As I have stated, I believe the Cinci O will be better this year than last year. I don't believe that the fatasses they lost are any different than the fatasses who will take their place.

    As for the OL opening holes, this is largely a misnomer. It is the QB and WR TE and RB along with play calling that opens holes. I don't care who the 5 OL are, if the D knows what is coming, if the D does not have to bite on play action or worry about deep balls, they camp out. And again, no 5 offensive linemen can block 8 defensive players.

    Have you really never watched Cam Erving play? He alone basically messed up our entire OL.

    It is the defense feeling the pressure of many offensive weapons that gives an OL it's edge and wears down the opposing defense. I promise you, there is negligible difference between their 320 fat ass and ours. A fatass is a fatass is a fatass. Offensive linemen are fat asses. From pee-pee football they are segregated as the group who can't pass, catch, run, punt, kick, tackle or cover. Slow blobs become OL. There is little skill level here.

    All I am saying is that if you OL pimps are correct, The Bengal offense should suck this year. If Ghoolie is right, which I usually am, the Bengals will shred the scoreboard this season. If they do, a lot of "TBB experts" are going to be scratching their asses wondering how Ghoolie could have called this right.

    One problem with your position is that you think that the Bengals skill players are all that......and them may NOT be all that.

    So...in a sense...a decline in the Bengals offensive production could, in theory, have NOTHING to do with how well the Bengals OL performs....it could have more to do with how poorly the Bengals skill players perform. Do they have decent players? Yes. But a mediocre QB can sabotage an entire offense. You know that.

    Finally, the Browns offense is too full of variables to predict.

    Now THAT you certainly got right.

    The OL has little to do with it. If Kizer turns out to be the next Joe Namath, we could pick 5 members here to play OL and it won't matter. In any case, this will be fun to watch.

    Just make sure the 5 members here are fatasses.

    I understand you have lost like 60 some pounds. So have I. Are we both under 250? I am....are you. If so, neither of us qualify.

    OK...truth telling time: who out there is pushing close to 300 pounds? Not I, no more.

  • @ghoolie said:

    So, regardless of your take, the situation in Cinci will shed quite a bit on this OL versus skilled player debate.

    I don't know if that is true. Too many variables involved to make any definitive conclusion.

    As I have stated, I believe the Cinci O will be better this year than last year. I don't believe that the fatasses they lost are any different than the fatasses who will take their place.

    As for the OL opening holes, this is largely a misnomer. It is the QB and WR TE and RB along with play calling that opens holes. I don't care who the 5 OL are, if the D knows what is coming, if the D does not have to bite on play action or worry about deep balls, they camp out. And again, no 5 offensive linemen can block 8 defensive players.

    Have you really never watched Cam Erving play? He alone basically messed up our entire OL.

    It is the defense feeling the pressure of many offensive weapons that gives an OL it's edge and wears down the opposing defense. I promise you, there is negligible difference between their 320 fat ass and ours. A fatass is a fatass is a fatass. Offensive linemen are fat asses. From pee-pee football they are segregated as the group who can't pass, catch, run, punt, kick, tackle or cover. Slow blobs become OL. There is little skill level here.

    All I am saying is that if you OL pimps are correct, The Bengal offense should suck this year. If Ghoolie is right, which I usually am, the Bengals will shred the scoreboard this season. If they do, a lot of "TBB experts" are going to be scratching their asses wondering how Ghoolie could have called this right.

    One problem with your position is that you think that the Bengals skill players are all that......and them may NOT be all that.

    So...in a sense...a decline in the Bengals offensive production could, in theory, have NOTHING to do with how well the Bengals OL performs....it could have more to do with how poorly the Bengals skill players perform. Do they have decent players? Yes. But a mediocre QB can sabotage an entire offense. You know that.

    Finally, the Browns offense is too full of variables to predict.

    Now THAT you certainly got right.

    The OL has little to do with it. If Kizer turns out to be the next Joe Namath, we could pick 5 members here to play OL and it won't matter. In any case, this will be fun to watch.

    Just make sure the 5 members here are fatasses.

    I understand you have lost like 60 some pounds. So have I. Are we both under 250? I am....are you. If so, neither of us qualify.

    OK...truth telling time: who out there is pushing close to 300 pounds? Not I, no more.

    @the-gipper said:

    @ghoolie said:

    So, regardless of your take, the situation in Cinci will shed quite a bit on this OL versus skilled player debate.

    I don't know if that is true. Too many variables involved to make any definitive conclusion.

    As I have stated, I believe the Cinci O will be better this year than last year. I don't believe that the fatasses they lost are any different than the fatasses who will take their place.

    As for the OL opening holes, this is largely a misnomer. It is the QB and WR TE and RB along with play calling that opens holes. I don't care who the 5 OL are, if the D knows what is coming, if the D does not have to bite on play action or worry about deep balls, they camp out. And again, no 5 offensive linemen can block 8 defensive players.

    Have you really never watched Cam Erving play? He alone basically messed up our entire OL.

    It is the defense feeling the pressure of many offensive weapons that gives an OL it's edge and wears down the opposing defense. I promise you, there is negligible difference between their 320 fat ass and ours. A fatass is a fatass is a fatass. Offensive linemen are fat asses. From pee-pee football they are segregated as the group who can't pass, catch, run, punt, kick, tackle or cover. Slow blobs become OL. There is little skill level here.

    All I am saying is that if you OL pimps are correct, The Bengal offense should suck this year. If Ghoolie is right, which I usually am, the Bengals will shred the scoreboard this season. If they do, a lot of "TBB experts" are going to be scratching their asses wondering how Ghoolie could have called this right.

    One problem with your position is that you think that the Bengals skill players are all that......and them may NOT be all that.

    So...in a sense...a decline in the Bengals offensive production could, in theory, have NOTHING to do with how well the Bengals OL performs....it could have more to do with how poorly the Bengals skill players perform. Do they have decent players? Yes. But a mediocre QB can sabotage an entire offense. You know that.

    Finally, the Browns offense is too full of variables to predict.

    Now THAT you certainly got right.

    The OL has little to do with it. If Kizer turns out to be the next Joe Namath, we could pick 5 members here to play OL and it won't matter. In any case, this will be fun to watch.

    Just make sure the 5 members here are fatasses.

    I understand you have lost like 60 some pounds. So have I. Are we both under 250? I am....are you. If so, neither of us qualify.

    OK...truth telling time: who out there is pushing close to 300 pounds? Not I, no more.

    I am likely thicker than you from a musculo-skeletal perspective. In college, at 6' 2: and a 34" waist, and I weighed 235. Where did that time and place go? Conversely, I had a 38" waist and a flat stomach when I played guitar with WSS at Put in Bay. I was 255 then. (Photo Attached) I don't lift much any more, other than keeping my bench and overhead press oiled. 250 for me would be a lot more lean than 250 for you. I am shooting for 215. If I can get there I'll show signs of a six pack, or wind up dead. We will see.

    Regarding the Bengals, I think maybe you missed my prediction? I am predicting that they will be better and that the so called great fatasses they lost, won't affect them at all. I see their offense as being improved becuse they added skilled positions. Those are the ones that matter most.

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  • OL make the holes for RB to go through. They provide key blocks to help WR make more yards, etc, etc, etc....

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    OL make the holes for RB to go through. They provide key blocks to help WR make more yards, etc, etc, etc....

    Wow ...

    With your knowledge of the X's and O's of the offensive line I'm completely surprised you haven't received any coaching offers from the Browns.

  • @the-gipper said:

    @ghoolie said:

    So, regardless of your take, the situation in Cinci will shed quite a bit on this OL versus skilled player debate.

    I don't know if that is true. Too many variables involved to make any definitive conclusion.

    As I have stated, I believe the Cinci O will be better this year than last year. I don't believe that the fatasses they lost are any different than the fatasses who will take their place.

    As for the OL opening holes, this is largely a misnomer. It is the QB and WR TE and RB along with play calling that opens holes. I don't care who the 5 OL are, if the D knows what is coming, if the D does not have to bite on play action or worry about deep balls, they camp out. And again, no 5 offensive linemen can block 8 defensive players.

    Have you really never watched Cam Erving play? He alone basically messed up our entire OL.

    It is the defense feeling the pressure of many offensive weapons that gives an OL it's edge and wears down the opposing defense. I promise you, there is negligible difference between their 320 fat ass and ours. A fatass is a fatass is a fatass. Offensive linemen are fat asses. From pee-pee football they are segregated as the group who can't pass, catch, run, punt, kick, tackle or cover. Slow blobs become OL. There is little skill level here.

    All I am saying is that if you OL pimps are correct, The Bengal offense should suck this year. If Ghoolie is right, which I usually am, the Bengals will shred the scoreboard this season. If they do, a lot of "TBB experts" are going to be scratching their asses wondering how Ghoolie could have called this right.

    One problem with your position is that you think that the Bengals skill players are all that......and them may NOT be all that.

    So...in a sense...a decline in the Bengals offensive production could, in theory, have NOTHING to do with how well the Bengals OL performs....it could have more to do with how poorly the Bengals skill players perform. Do they have decent players? Yes. But a mediocre QB can sabotage an entire offense. You know that.

    Finally, the Browns offense is too full of variables to predict.

    Now THAT you certainly got right.

    The OL has little to do with it. If Kizer turns out to be the next Joe Namath, we could pick 5 members here to play OL and it won't matter. In any case, this will be fun to watch.

    Just make sure the 5 members here are fatasses.

    I understand you have lost like 60 some pounds. So have I. Are we both under 250? I am....are you. If so, neither of us qualify.

    OK...truth telling time: who out there is pushing close to 300 pounds? Not I, no more.

    I am likely thicker than you from a musculo-skeletal perspective. In college, at 6' 2: and a 34" waist, and I weighed 235. Where did that time and place go? Conversely, I had a 38" waist and a flat stomach when I played guitar with WSS at Put in Bay. I was 255 then. (Photo Attached) I don't lift much any more, other than keeping my bench and overhead press oiled. 250 for me would be a lot more lean than 250 for you. I am shooting for 215. If I can get there I'll show signs of a six pack, or wind up dead. We will see.

    Regarding the Bengals, I think maybe you missed my prediction? I am predicting that they will be better and that the so called great fatasses they lost, won't affect them at all. I see their offense as being improved becuse they added skilled positions. Those are the ones that matter most.

    post-28075-0-15619300-1500477364_thumb.jpg

    @ghoolie said:

    I am likely thicker than you from a musculo-skeletal perspective. In college, at 6' 2: and a 34" waist, and I weighed 235. Where did that time and place go? Conversely, I had a 38" waist and a flat stomach when I played guitar with WSS at Put in Bay. I was 255 then. (Photo Attached) I don't lift much any more, other than keeping my bench and overhead press oiled. 250 for me would be a lot more lean than 250 for you. I am shooting for 215. If I can get there I'll show signs of a six pack, or wind up dead. We will see.

    I don't know...I too am 6'2. Though I think you may be right....I was never a lifter....so your may have the muscles of a man from Brussells. I don't have that.

    Regarding the Bengals, I think maybe you missed my prediction? I am predicting that they will be better and that the so called great fatasses they lost, won't affect them at all. I see their offense as being improved becuse they added skilled positions. Those are the ones that matter most.

    I didn't miss your prediction. I just am not necessarily buying it.

    As for the Bengals skill players...I know only that they have ONE guy that is better than what the Browns have: AJ Green. Possibly Dalton is better than the Browns QBs ...but being maybe the 25th best QB in the NFL vs. what may be the 30th-32d best QBs isn't anything to brag much about.

    And I know you are wrong about your theory that a poor OL cannot affect the play of a team's skill players. It CAN vastly affect it.

    It is why one of the best young QBs out there....Andrew Luck...has had so much trouble these last couple of years. If it can fuck up Luck, and Reggie Wayne and Frank Gore...it can fuck up what the Bengals have.

  • @ghoolie said:

    I am likely thicker than you from a musculo-skeletal perspective. In college, at 6' 2: and a 34" waist, and I weighed 235. Where did that time and place go? Conversely, I had a 38" waist and a flat stomach when I played guitar with WSS at Put in Bay. I was 255 then. (Photo Attached) I don't lift much any more, other than keeping my bench and overhead press oiled. 250 for me would be a lot more lean than 250 for you. I am shooting for 215. If I can get there I'll show signs of a six pack, or wind up dead. We will see.

    I don't know...I too am 6'2. Though I think you may be right....I was never a lifter....so your may have the muscles of a man from Brussells. I don't have that.

    Regarding the Bengals, I think maybe you missed my prediction? I am predicting that they will be better and that the so called great fatasses they lost, won't affect them at all. I see their offense as being improved becuse they added skilled positions. Those are the ones that matter most.

    I didn't miss your prediction. I just am not necessarily buying it.

    As for the Bengals skill players...I know only that they have ONE guy that is better than what the Browns have: AJ Green. Possibly Dalton is better than the Browns QBs ...but being maybe the 25th best QB in the NFL vs. what may be the 30th-32d best QBs isn't anything to brag much about.

    And I know you are wrong about your theory that a poor OL cannot affect the play of a team's skill players. It CAN vastly affect it.

    It is why one of the best young QBs out there....Andrew Luck...has had so much trouble these last couple of years. If it can fuck up Luck, and Reggie Wayne and Frank Gore...it can fuck up what the Bengals have.

    @the-gipper said:

    @ghoolie said:

    I am likely thicker than you from a musculo-skeletal perspective. In college, at 6' 2: and a 34" waist, and I weighed 235. Where did that time and place go? Conversely, I had a 38" waist and a flat stomach when I played guitar with WSS at Put in Bay. I was 255 then. (Photo Attached) I don't lift much any more, other than keeping my bench and overhead press oiled. 250 for me would be a lot more lean than 250 for you. I am shooting for 215. If I can get there I'll show signs of a six pack, or wind up dead. We will see.

    I don't know...I too am 6'2. Though I think you may be right....I was never a lifter....so your may have the muscles of a man from Brussells. I don't have that.

    Regarding the Bengals, I think maybe you missed my prediction? I am predicting that they will be better and that the so called great fatasses they lost, won't affect them at all. I see their offense as being improved becuse they added skilled positions. Those are the ones that matter most.

    I didn't miss your prediction. I just am not necessarily buying it.

    As for the Bengals skill players...I know only that they have ONE guy that is better than what the Browns have: AJ Green. Possibly Dalton is better than the Browns QBs ...but being maybe the 25th best QB in the NFL vs. what may be the 30th-32d best QBs isn't anything to brag much about.

    And I know you are wrong about your theory that a poor OL cannot affect the play of a team's skill players. It CAN vastly affect it.

    It is why one of the best young QBs out there....Andrew Luck...has had so much trouble these last couple of years. If it can fuck up Luck, and Reggie Wayne and Frank Gore...it can fuck up what the Bengals have.

    Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.

    Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.

  • @the-gipper said:

    @ghoolie said:

    I am likely thicker than you from a musculo-skeletal perspective. In college, at 6' 2: and a 34" waist, and I weighed 235. Where did that time and place go? Conversely, I had a 38" waist and a flat stomach when I played guitar with WSS at Put in Bay. I was 255 then. (Photo Attached) I don't lift much any more, other than keeping my bench and overhead press oiled. 250 for me would be a lot more lean than 250 for you. I am shooting for 215. If I can get there I'll show signs of a six pack, or wind up dead. We will see.

    I don't know...I too am 6'2. Though I think you may be right....I was never a lifter....so your may have the muscles of a man from Brussells. I don't have that.

    Regarding the Bengals, I think maybe you missed my prediction? I am predicting that they will be better and that the so called great fatasses they lost, won't affect them at all. I see their offense as being improved becuse they added skilled positions. Those are the ones that matter most.

    I didn't miss your prediction. I just am not necessarily buying it.

    As for the Bengals skill players...I know only that they have ONE guy that is better than what the Browns have: AJ Green. Possibly Dalton is better than the Browns QBs ...but being maybe the 25th best QB in the NFL vs. what may be the 30th-32d best QBs isn't anything to brag much about.

    And I know you are wrong about your theory that a poor OL cannot affect the play of a team's skill players. It CAN vastly affect it.

    It is why one of the best young QBs out there....Andrew Luck...has had so much trouble these last couple of years. If it can fuck up Luck, and Reggie Wayne and Frank Gore...it can fuck up what the Bengals have.

    Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.

    Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.

    @hoorta said:

    Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.

    Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.

    Maybe getting Mack was the move that vaulted them to the SB...and should have won it.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    OL make the holes for RB to go through. They provide key blocks to help WR make more yards, etc, etc, etc....

    Wow ...

    With your knowledge of the X's and O's of the offensive line I'm completely surprised you haven't received any coaching offers from the Browns.

    @one-post said:

    Wow ...

    With your knowledge of the X's and O's of the offensive line I'm completely surprised you haven't received any coaching offers from the Browns.

    LMAO

  • @the-gipper said:

    @ghoolie said:

    I am likely thicker than you from a musculo-skeletal perspective. In college, at 6' 2: and a 34" waist, and I weighed 235. Where did that time and place go? Conversely, I had a 38" waist and a flat stomach when I played guitar with WSS at Put in Bay. I was 255 then. (Photo Attached) I don't lift much any more, other than keeping my bench and overhead press oiled. 250 for me would be a lot more lean than 250 for you. I am shooting for 215. If I can get there I'll show signs of a six pack, or wind up dead. We will see.

    I don't know...I too am 6'2. Though I think you may be right....I was never a lifter....so your may have the muscles of a man from Brussells. I don't have that.

    Regarding the Bengals, I think maybe you missed my prediction? I am predicting that they will be better and that the so called great fatasses they lost, won't affect them at all. I see their offense as being improved becuse they added skilled positions. Those are the ones that matter most.

    I didn't miss your prediction. I just am not necessarily buying it.

    As for the Bengals skill players...I know only that they have ONE guy that is better than what the Browns have: AJ Green. Possibly Dalton is better than the Browns QBs ...but being maybe the 25th best QB in the NFL vs. what may be the 30th-32d best QBs isn't anything to brag much about.

    And I know you are wrong about your theory that a poor OL cannot affect the play of a team's skill players. It CAN vastly affect it.

    It is why one of the best young QBs out there....Andrew Luck...has had so much trouble these last couple of years. If it can fuck up Luck, and Reggie Wayne and Frank Gore...it can fuck up what the Bengals have.

    Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.

    Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.

    @hoorta said:

    Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.

    Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.

    Hore shit. I told you when he was drafted, he holds on to the fucking ball too long. Luck to Manning was the step down. The OL has nothing to do with it.

  • @hoorta said:

    Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.

    Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.

    Maybe getting Mack was the move that vaulted them to the SB...and should have won it.

    @the-gipper said:

    Maybe getting Mack was the move that vaulted them to the SB...and should have won it.

    Manning.

  • @hoorta said:

    Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.

    Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.

    Hore shit. I told you when he was drafted, he holds on to the fucking ball too long. Luck to Manning was the step down. The OL has nothing to do with it.

    @ghoolie said:

    Hore shit. I told you when he was drafted, he holds on to the fucking ball too long. Luck to Manning was the step down. The OL has nothing to do with it.

    Well, that is your (wrong) view of things. When he had a decent OL...he made it to the AFC title game. But his OL has deteriorated since then....and as a result he has suffered injuries.

    Browns OL got McCown hammered...that is why they had to put in Kessler.

    (though RGs injury was of his own making)

  • @the-gipper said:

    Maybe getting Mack was the move that vaulted them to the SB...and should have won it.

    Manning.

    @ghoolie said:

    Manning.

    What does he have to do with the Pats/Falcons game?

    Peyton was retired last year....and I don't think you are talking about Eli.

  • They say when you have a great Oline the RB is the easiest position to fill .

  • @the-gipper said:

    Maybe getting Mack was the move that vaulted them to the SB...and should have won it.

    Manning.

    @ghoolie said:

    Manning.

    I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.

    Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.

    Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    OL make the holes for RB to go through. They provide key blocks to help WR make more yards, etc, etc, etc....

    Wow ...

    With your knowledge of the X's and O's of the offensive line I'm completely surprised you haven't received any coaching offers from the Browns.

    @one-post said:

    Wow ...

    With your knowledge of the X's and O's of the offensive line I'm completely surprised you haven't received any coaching offers from the Browns.

    Fuck you! Go eat some fucking ramen from the commissary.

  • @one-post said:

    Wow ...

    With your knowledge of the X's and O's of the offensive line I'm completely surprised you haven't received any coaching offers from the Browns.

    Fuck you! Go eat some fucking ramen from the commissary.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Fuck you! Go eat some fucking ramen from the commissary.

    Oh I'm sorry

    XOXOXO

    LMAO!!

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Fuck you! Go eat some fucking ramen from the commissary.

    Oh I'm sorry

    XOXOXO

    LMAO!!

    @one-post said:

    Oh I'm sorry

    XOXOXO

    LMAO!!

    Don't take it personally DieHard. I'm sure he meant to say "XXXOOO" 😍 :wub:

  • It's all good.

  • @ghoolie said:

    Manning.

    I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.

    Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.

    Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .

    @hoorta said:

    I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.

    Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.

    Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .

    More horseshit. Erving will have a Stellar year. The Bengals will do better without the fatasses they lost. THe Browns O will be worse.

  • @ghoolie said:

    Manning.

    I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.

    Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.

    Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .

    @hoorta said:

    I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.

    Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.

    Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .

    Yes... it was the defense that won the Denver SB. The same Denver D that did so good for Semen Slurper... OOOOPS GO AHEAD LARRY.........Tell me again how Manning had a lot better defense than Semen Slurper did.. It's never the QB, is it Larry? It is always the fatass OL that make the difference.

  • It's all good.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    It's all good.

    Just giving you shit and keeping you on your toes. Thank you for your service you ol polecat.