Ghoolie Verses Hoorta - The stage is set
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I am likely thicker than you from a musculo-skeletal perspective. In college, at 6' 2: and a 34" waist, and I weighed 235. Where did that time and place go? Conversely, I had a 38" waist and a flat stomach when I played guitar with WSS at Put in Bay. I was 255 then. (Photo Attached) I don't lift much any more, other than keeping my bench and overhead press oiled. 250 for me would be a lot more lean than 250 for you. I am shooting for 215. If I can get there I'll show signs of a six pack, or wind up dead. We will see.
I don't know...I too am 6'2. Though I think you may be right....I was never a lifter....so your may have the muscles of a man from Brussells. I don't have that.
Regarding the Bengals, I think maybe you missed my prediction? I am predicting that they will be better and that the so called great fatasses they lost, won't affect them at all. I see their offense as being improved becuse they added skilled positions. Those are the ones that matter most.
I didn't miss your prediction. I just am not necessarily buying it.
As for the Bengals skill players...I know only that they have ONE guy that is better than what the Browns have: AJ Green. Possibly Dalton is better than the Browns QBs ...but being maybe the 25th best QB in the NFL vs. what may be the 30th-32d best QBs isn't anything to brag much about.
And I know you are wrong about your theory that a poor OL cannot affect the play of a team's skill players. It CAN vastly affect it.
It is why one of the best young QBs out there....Andrew Luck...has had so much trouble these last couple of years. If it can fuck up Luck, and Reggie Wayne and Frank Gore...it can fuck up what the Bengals have.
Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.
Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.
Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.
Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.
Hore shit. I told you when he was drafted, he holds on to the fucking ball too long. Luck to Manning was the step down. The OL has nothing to do with it.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.
Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.
Maybe getting Mack was the move that vaulted them to the SB...and should have won it.
Maybe getting Mack was the move that vaulted them to the SB...and should have won it.
Manning.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Exactly Gip. Luck has been out of luck with no o-line. I like to bring up the playoff game where Lawrence Taylor made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow, because his o-line couldn't block for crap. So was Montana a bum? Don't think so.
Losing Alex Mack to Atlanta, and replacing him with the to date very bad Cam Erving is a case study where talent at the position DOES matter. Every "expert" was gushing about how Mack solidified and improved the Falcons o-line.
Hore shit. I told you when he was drafted, he holds on to the fucking ball too long. Luck to Manning was the step down. The OL has nothing to do with it.
Hore shit. I told you when he was drafted, he holds on to the fucking ball too long. Luck to Manning was the step down. The OL has nothing to do with it.
Well, that is your (wrong) view of things. When he had a decent OL...he made it to the AFC title game. But his OL has deteriorated since then....and as a result he has suffered injuries.
Browns OL got McCown hammered...that is why they had to put in Kessler.
(though RGs injury was of his own making)
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Maybe getting Mack was the move that vaulted them to the SB...and should have won it.
Manning.
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They say when you have a great Oline the RB is the easiest position to fill .
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Maybe getting Mack was the move that vaulted them to the SB...and should have won it.
Manning.
Manning.
I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.
Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.
Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .
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Wow ...OL make the holes for RB to go through. They provide key blocks to help WR make more yards, etc, etc, etc....
With your knowledge of the X's and O's of the offensive line I'm completely surprised you haven't received any coaching offers from the Browns.
Wow ...
With your knowledge of the X's and O's of the offensive line I'm completely surprised you haven't received any coaching offers from the Browns.
Fuck you! Go eat some fucking ramen from the commissary.
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Oh I'm sorryFuck you! Go eat some fucking ramen from the commissary.
XOXOXO
LMAO!!
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Oh I'm sorryFuck you! Go eat some fucking ramen from the commissary.
XOXOXO
LMAO!!
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It's all good.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Manning.
I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.
Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.
Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .
I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.
Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.
Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .
More horseshit. Erving will have a Stellar year. The Bengals will do better without the fatasses they lost. THe Browns O will be worse.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Manning.
I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.
Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.
Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .
I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.
Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.
Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .
Yes... it was the defense that won the Denver SB. The same Denver D that did so good for Semen Slurper... OOOOPS GO AHEAD LARRY.........Tell me again how Manning had a lot better defense than Semen Slurper did.. It's never the QB, is it Larry? It is always the fatass OL that make the difference.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
It's all good.
Just giving you shit and keeping you on your toes. Thank you for your service you ol polecat.It's all good.
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I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.
Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.
Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .
Yes... it was the defense that won the Denver SB. The same Denver D that did so good for Semen Slurper... OOOOPS GO AHEAD LARRY.........Tell me again how Manning had a lot better defense than Semen Slurper did.. It's never the QB, is it Larry? It is always the fatass OL that make the difference.
Yes... it was the defense that won the Denver SB. The same Denver D that did so good for Semen Slurper... OOOOPS GO AHEAD LARRY.........Tell me again how Manning had a lot better defense than Semen Slurper did.. It's never the QB, is it Larry? It is always the fatass OL that make the difference.
Did you even bother looking how many guys on the Denver D bolted after they won the SB? STFU.
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Yes... it was the defense that won the Denver SB. The same Denver D that did so good for Semen Slurper... OOOOPS GO AHEAD LARRY.........Tell me again how Manning had a lot better defense than Semen Slurper did.. It's never the QB, is it Larry? It is always the fatass OL that make the difference.
Did you even bother looking how many guys on the Denver D bolted after they won the SB? STFU.
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I hope you meant Manning to Denver. & BTW, Denver's defense won that Super Bowl, not a very washed up Peyton Manning. Von Miller was the MVP of that game IIRC. Even our (now) QB Brock Osweiler won some regular season games that year in Denver when Manning was hurt.
Luck did get Indy to the playoffs, but then a couple of the old o-line guys retired, weren't replaced- and Andy started getting hammered because of it. Holds on to the ball too long? Every freaking college scout thought Luck was the best QB prospect in like forever. And Indy thought so much of his talent- they redid his contract to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL- until Derek Carr got that monster deal from the Raiders this year.
Finally LOL, Atlanta's QB is "Matty Ice" Ryan- and one of the few things that changed about that team in their SB year was the addition of Alex Mack. I'll let Flugels educate you on the finer points of how some OL are better in certain blocking schemes. Cam Erving has proven he sucks in most every scheme and every O-line position. He's a big fatass turnstile. About as big a bust as Justin Gilbert. If he wasn't a first round pick- he would have been cut already. Defensive game planning is pretty simple- find out where Erving is playing, run by him like he's not even there, and laugh your ass off when he misses trying to block guys on the second level- something Mack excels at. .
More horseshit. Erving will have a Stellar year. The Bengals will do better without the fatasses they lost. THe Browns O will be worse.
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@boo-fagley said:
Luck is a choker in big games and surrounded by enablers with excuses on why he loses.
2012 - Lost the Wildcard round , 51% completion percentage 0 TDs, 1 INT and 1 Fumble. 1 and done,
2013 - Lost the Division round, 50% completion percentage, 4 INTS and 3 sacks
2014 - Lost the Championship round - 36% completion percentage, 126 passing yards and 0 TDs in a 45 - 7 ass kicking.
A choke job in a Super Bowl is all thats missing.
Luck should have lost in the 2013 Wildcard round to KC, but he ran into a bigger choker in Andy Reid. KC had a 31 - 10 lead in the 3rd quarter and Luck was trying to break his INT record by connecting on 3 INTs with the KC defense. All Reid had to do was run the ball and use up all the play clock, but no that would have been too smart. Reid had a better plan to pass the ball and leave time of the play clock.
All these QBs are battling injuries. Ben Gay is always hurt.
Well, we can debate whether or not Luck is a choker...or maybe he just ran into Tom Brady in a few of those games. (and when you lose 45-7...sounds to me more like that team's defense choked).
What we can't debate is that when he had a decent OL...at least he was capable of getting into those playoff games. Without one...he is hurt and the team is losing.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Indy defense was spent because Luck could not pick up 1st downs to extend drives.
Does that include the 1st Qtr when NE went up 14-0? Or their 87 yd TD drive to open the 3rd?
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@boo-fagley said:
The 45 - 7 game, Bad Luck completed 36% of his passes and for only 126 yards putting the defense back on the field. Time of possession rounded off was 22 minutes Indy and 38 minutes NE. NE gave the ball back to Indy with 2:00 left. Indy ran 3 running plays. Basically TOP was 20 minutes to 40 minutes. The Indy defense was spent because Luck could not pick up 1st downs to extend drives.
Luck 2 INTs, 0 TDs and 3 for 11 on 3rd downs.
When Indy gets the OL the way Luck wants it, it will be time to get new WRs and RBs because the guys there now will be too old.
So, you think that being behind 45-7 with 3 minutes left still gave Indy a chance to win? They were just playing out the string.
If time of possession was 40/20....then my original thought held sway: Indy's defense didn't do shit to stop the other team.
I suspect a lot of Luck's poor play was the result of desperation.
And if Indy's defense was spent I suspect it more due to the fact that they were being run over...and not to Luck not playing so well.
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@boo-fagley said:
NE had 12 3rd down conversions
Indy had 3 3rd down conversions
You cant spin time of possession.
And you just solidified the point that the Indy defense couldn't do shit to stop NE. You didn't say how many 3rd down attempts there were for each team.
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