Ghoolie Verses Hoorta - The stage is set
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Well that would make one of us...
How long will you ignore the facts that the failure of the Indy D in the 1st and 3rd Qtrs cannot be placed at Luck's feet? That spotting the Pats 4 TDs in those two Qtrs tends to adversely impact any QB's effectiveness?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
@boo-fagley said:
Youre just the kind of fan that Andrew Luck likes.
You mean one that knows the game? Guilty as charged...
You completely miss my point. I hope for your sake it's willfully.
I'm not a Luck fan. Reread everything I've posted in our exchanges. Point out any "fan" utterance.
I'm not making excuses for Luck. Reread everything I've posted in our exchanges. Point out any "excuse" made.
I am simply saying that given the game circumstances 4 Pats TDs are not attributable to your simplistic explanation of that game.
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@boo-fagley said:
Tony Romo with the Amish look. The fans are going to turn on him soon.
Its all about the QB.
Look at virtually every Super Bowl. Both teams got there because they found a QB good enough to win.
Bingo
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@boo-fagley said:
Let me phrase it another way. Yeah, the defense wilted because Luck could not keep his offense on the field to rest the Colts defense.Its not the Cots defense fault that Luck completed 36% of his passes and threw 2 INTs to NE. 36% is worst than pathetic. A borderline shitbum is at 50%.
If that's a different phrasing, then so is this: It's not Luck's fault that the Colts D could not stop the first two drives of both halves.
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Lmao@boo-fagley said:
Its been decades since some of these guys have seen a good Browns QB.
Probably just like a vagina..
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@boo-fagley said:
Its been decades since some of these guys have seen a good Browns QB.
Probably just like a vagina..
LOL. Hoorta has created a group of followers I call, Hoortards. If the QB has a great day, it is because of the OL. If he has a shitty day, it is because of the OL. No matter what a QB does, the Hoortard blames the OL.
Manning wins SBs..................... it is because of the great Colts, OL.
Manning leaves, and Luck takes over. Luck sucks, but it is because the same OL Manning had, NOW sucks.
Manning goes to Denver and wins another SB...........it is because of the great OL and D
Manning leaves...the same D, the same OL, the Broncos suck......................This because of the bad OL
Brady looked like shit in the 1st 1/2 of the SB..........That was because his OL sucked.
Brady got lucky int he 2nd 1/2..................hat was because his OL is stellar.
Fucking idiots.
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@boo-fagley said:
Its been decades since some of these guys have seen a good Browns QB.
Probably just like a vagina..
LOL. Hoorta has created a group of followers I call, Hoortards. If the QB has a great day, it is because of the OL. If he has a shitty day, it is because of the OL. No matter what a QB does, the Hoortard blames the OL.
Manning wins SBs..................... it is because of the great Colts, OL.
Manning leaves, and Luck takes over. Luck sucks, but it is because the same OL Manning had, NOW sucks.
Manning goes to Denver and wins another SB...........it is because of the great OL and D
Manning leaves...the same D, the same OL, the Broncos suck......................This because of the bad OL
Brady looked like shit in the 1st 1/2 of the SB..........That was because his OL sucked.
Brady got lucky int he 2nd 1/2..................hat was because his OL is stellar.
Fucking idiots.
LOL. Hoorta has created a group of followers I call, Hoortards. If the QB has a great day, it is because of the OL. If he has a shitty day, it is because of the OL. No matter what a QB does, the Hoortard blames the OL.
Manning wins SBs..................... it is because of the great Colts, OL.
Manning leaves, and Luck takes over. Luck sucks, but it is because the same OL Manning had, NOW sucks.
Manning goes to Denver and wins another SB...........it is because of the great OL and D
Manning leaves...the same D, the same OL, the Broncos suck......................This because of the bad OL
Brady looked like shit in the 1st 1/2 of the SB..........That was because his OL sucked.
Brady got lucky int he 2nd 1/2..................hat was because his OL is stellar.
Fucking idiots.
Yeah- those guys at nfl.com don't know diddly doo.
Cincinnati Bengals: They finish with a worse record than last season (6-9-1).
This hasn't happened since 2010, the year of the T.O.-Ochocinco marriage. So what gives? It's not because of the wide receiver group, which should be just fine with A.J. Green and rookie John Ross. No, the issue on offense is the offensive line, a group that didn't play particularly well last season. That group lost its two top players (Kevin Zeitler and Andrew Whitworth) during the offseason, which doesn't bode well for the skill positions. Sure, Ross boasts a tremendous 40 time, but by the time he gets downfield, Andy Dalton could very well be on his back. Many draftniks touted second-round selection Joe Mixon as a steal. But he won't be if he's running through some of the same holes Jeremy Hill saw last season. Cincinnati missed Hue Jackson's guidance on offense last season. Leadership on defense has been lacking. Wins could be similarly rare.
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LOL- this was supposed to be between me and Ghoolie. Not about the relative merits of Andrew Luck. I'd take Andy for the Browns- and so would about 25 other NFL teams, but probably not at $25 million a year.
Yeah, but battles between me and you don't seem to be interesting to anyone but us. I think we can both agree, this season has the makings of the most interesting one yet.
Yeah, but battles between me and you don't seem to be interesting to anyone but us. I think we can both agree, this season has the makings of the most interesting one yet.
Well, if you guys would get together we could have Ghoolie drinking Zaya Rum, and Hoorta drinking the Orange Shit.....and first one that passes out loses?
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Well that would make one of us...
How long will you ignore the facts that the failure of the Indy D in the 1st and 3rd Qtrs cannot be placed at Luck's feet? That spotting the Pats 4 TDs in those two Qtrs tends to adversely impact any QB's effectiveness?
Well that would make one of us...
How long will you ignore the facts that the failure of the Indy D in the 1st and 3rd Qtrs cannot be placed at Luck's feet? That spotting the Pats 4 TDs in those two Qtrs tends to adversely impact any QB's effectiveness?
That is a No Shit Sherlock statement....though I am not sure that Moriarty (Boo) yet gets the picture.
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@boo-fagley said:
Perhaps unknowingly, your making a great case as a new Andy Luck apologist without realizing it.
Let me phrase it another way. Yeah, the defense wilted because Luck could not keep his offense on the field to rest the Colts defense.Its not the Cots defense fault that Luck completed 36% of his passes and threw 2 INTs to NE. 36% is worst than pathetic. A borderline shitbum is at 50%.
Then I can assume that your position would be that John Elway was an overrated QB? After all.....his performances in his first 3 Super Bowls were a lot like Luck's performance in that ONE game in question....and his team got smoked just as badly in all those games.
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Phoolie and Phagley... a two-man circlejerk.
Fun fact... NE was 7th in the league last season in rushing yards. #BradyBlocksToo?
Funner fact... Osweiler's numbers equaled or bested Manning's during Denver's 2015 SB run.
There are several pieces in every football team. Those pieces are interdependent. They are not equally important.
Not every piece has to excel to bring team success. Strong pieces can compensate for/elevate relatively weaker ones, but they cannot overcome a truly bad one (or more).
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Phoolie and Phagley... a two-man circlejerk.
Fun fact... NE was 7th in the league last season in rushing yards. #BradyBlocksToo?
Funner fact... Osweiler's numbers equaled or bested Manning's during Denver's 2015 SB run.
There are several pieces in every football team. Those pieces are interdependent. They are not equally important.
Not every piece has to excel to bring team success. Strong pieces can compensate for/elevate relatively weaker ones, but they cannot overcome a truly bad one (or more).
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@boo-fagley said:
Funny and truthful.
Here is the thing. The NE OL is ok, but Brady makes them great and Super Bowls champs. Not the OL making Brady great.
Brady gets rid of the ball. You said it a while back when you talked about a QB holding the ball too long. A QB standing back there like a statue is going to get sacked, no doubt fumble and throw INTs because the play just isnt there, but hes going to throw it anyway rather than be sacked again.
A few years back the NY Jets had the dream team OL 4 - 1st round picks and Brandon Moore undrafted.. Damien Woody RT - Alan Faneca - RG - Nick Mangold - C - Brandon Moore - LG - Bricksaw Ferguson - LT. Mangold is a HOFer and was considered the best C in the game at the time.
They had Mark "Buttfumble" Sanchez at QB who wound up choking. Its the QB.
NOBODY has more 1st round Offensive linemen than Dallas. THey can't keep a QB healthy to save their ass................ WHY................... Because like Luck.........Romo held on to the ball too fucking long.
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LOL. Hoorta has created a group of followers I call, Hoortards. If the QB has a great day, it is because of the OL. If he has a shitty day, it is because of the OL. No matter what a QB does, the Hoortard blames the OL.
Manning wins SBs..................... it is because of the great Colts, OL.
Manning leaves, and Luck takes over. Luck sucks, but it is because the same OL Manning had, NOW sucks.
Manning goes to Denver and wins another SB...........it is because of the great OL and D
Manning leaves...the same D, the same OL, the Broncos suck......................This because of the bad OL
Brady looked like shit in the 1st 1/2 of the SB..........That was because his OL sucked.
Brady got lucky int he 2nd 1/2..................hat was because his OL is stellar.
Fucking idiots.
Yeah- those guys at nfl.com don't know diddly doo.
Cincinnati Bengals: They finish with a worse record than last season (6-9-1).
This hasn't happened since 2010, the year of the T.O.-Ochocinco marriage. So what gives? It's not because of the wide receiver group, which should be just fine with A.J. Green and rookie John Ross. No, the issue on offense is the offensive line, a group that didn't play particularly well last season. That group lost its two top players (Kevin Zeitler and Andrew Whitworth) during the offseason, which doesn't bode well for the skill positions. Sure, Ross boasts a tremendous 40 time, but by the time he gets downfield, Andy Dalton could very well be on his back. Many draftniks touted second-round selection Joe Mixon as a steal. But he won't be if he's running through some of the same holes Jeremy Hill saw last season. Cincinnati missed Hue Jackson's guidance on offense last season. Leadership on defense has been lacking. Wins could be similarly rare.
Yeah- those guys at nfl.com don't know diddly doo.
Cincinnati Bengals: They finish with a worse record than last season (6-9-1).
This hasn't happened since 2010, the year of the T.O.-Ochocinco marriage. So what gives? It's not because of the wide receiver group, which should be just fine with A.J. Green and rookie John Ross. No, the issue on offense is the offensive line, a group that didn't play particularly well last season. That group lost its two top players (Kevin Zeitler and Andrew Whitworth) during the offseason, which doesn't bode well for the skill positions. Sure, Ross boasts a tremendous 40 time, but by the time he gets downfield, Andy Dalton could very well be on his back. Many draftniks touted second-round selection Joe Mixon as a steal. But he won't be if he's running through some of the same holes Jeremy Hill saw last season. Cincinnati missed Hue Jackson's guidance on offense last season. Leadership on defense has been lacking. Wins could be similarly rare.
hey don't know as much as I do. hat is the point. THe Bengals OL was not an issue. They will make a run for the division title. 11- 5
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Ok Luck is 43-27 as a starter. Wtf?
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@boo-fagley said:
And Torn2anus is the pivot man.
Its a passing league and NE had the 17th ranked run game in 2016. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
Orsewiller is close to parking cars for a living 2 years after his HOF season.
You have posted twice now without making your pick on the All Time Draft Thread. If you do not wish to participate just say so...and we will substitute for you.
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What the fuck ever. Any team but a few would love the have Luck. Eat a dick.@boo-fagley said:
Look at the AFCS division - Tenn, Jax and Houston.
Luck would shit the bed in the AFCN.
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