Ghoolie Verses Hoorta - The stage is set

Tour2ma

@boo-fagley said:
Let me phrase it another way. Yeah, the defense wilted because Luck could not keep his offense on the field to rest the Colts defense.Its not the Cots defense fault that Luck completed 36% of his passes and threw 2 INTs to NE. 36% is worst than pathetic. A borderline shitbum is at 50%.

If that's a different phrasing, then so is this: It's not Luck's fault that the Colts D could not stop the first two drives of both halves.

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@boo-fagley said:

Its been decades since some of these guys have seen a good Browns QB.

Probably just like a vagina..

Lmao

Ghoolie

@boo-fagley said:

Its been decades since some of these guys have seen a good Browns QB.

Probably just like a vagina..

LOL. Hoorta has created a group of followers I call, Hoortards. If the QB has a great day, it is because of the OL. If he has a shitty day, it is because of the OL. No matter what a QB does, the Hoortard blames the OL.

Manning wins SBs..................... it is because of the great Colts, OL.

Manning leaves, and Luck takes over. Luck sucks, but it is because the same OL Manning had, NOW sucks.

Manning goes to Denver and wins another SB...........it is because of the great OL and D

Manning leaves...the same D, the same OL, the Broncos suck......................This because of the bad OL

Brady looked like shit in the 1st 1/2 of the SB..........That was because his OL sucked.

Brady got lucky int he 2nd 1/2..................hat was because his OL is stellar.

Fucking idiots.

hoorta

@ghoolie said:

LOL. Hoorta has created a group of followers I call, Hoortards. If the QB has a great day, it is because of the OL. If he has a shitty day, it is because of the OL. No matter what a QB does, the Hoortard blames the OL.

Manning wins SBs..................... it is because of the great Colts, OL.

Manning leaves, and Luck takes over. Luck sucks, but it is because the same OL Manning had, NOW sucks.

Manning goes to Denver and wins another SB...........it is because of the great OL and D

Manning leaves...the same D, the same OL, the Broncos suck......................This because of the bad OL

Brady looked like shit in the 1st 1/2 of the SB..........That was because his OL sucked.

Brady got lucky int he 2nd 1/2..................hat was because his OL is stellar.

Fucking idiots.

Yeah- those guys at nfl.com don't know diddly doo.

Cincinnati Bengals: They finish with a worse record than last season (6-9-1).

This hasn't happened since 2010, the year of the T.O.-Ochocinco marriage. So what gives? It's not because of the wide receiver group, which should be just fine with A.J. Green and rookie John Ross. No, the issue on offense is the offensive line, a group that didn't play particularly well last season. That group lost its two top players (Kevin Zeitler and Andrew Whitworth) during the offseason, which doesn't bode well for the skill positions. Sure, Ross boasts a tremendous 40 time, but by the time he gets downfield, Andy Dalton could very well be on his back. Many draftniks touted second-round selection Joe Mixon as a steal. But he won't be if he's running through some of the same holes Jeremy Hill saw last season. Cincinnati missed Hue Jackson's guidance on offense last season. Leadership on defense has been lacking. Wins could be similarly rare.

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:
Yeah, but battles between me and you don't seem to be interesting to anyone but us. I think we can both agree, this season has the makings of the most interesting one yet.

Well, if you guys would get together we could have Ghoolie drinking Zaya Rum, and Hoorta drinking the Orange Shit.....and first one that passes out loses?

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Well that would make one of us...

How long will you ignore the facts that the failure of the Indy D in the 1st and 3rd Qtrs cannot be placed at Luck's feet? That spotting the Pats 4 TDs in those two Qtrs tends to adversely impact any QB's effectiveness?

That is a No Shit Sherlock statement....though I am not sure that Moriarty (Boo) yet gets the picture.

The Gipper

@boo-fagley said:

Perhaps unknowingly, your making a great case as a new Andy Luck apologist without realizing it.

Let me phrase it another way. Yeah, the defense wilted because Luck could not keep his offense on the field to rest the Colts defense.Its not the Cots defense fault that Luck completed 36% of his passes and threw 2 INTs to NE. 36% is worst than pathetic. A borderline shitbum is at 50%.

Then I can assume that your position would be that John Elway was an overrated QB? After all.....his performances in his first 3 Super Bowls were a lot like Luck's performance in that ONE game in question....and his team got smoked just as badly in all those games.

Tour2ma

Phoolie and Phagley... a two-man circlejerk.

Fun fact... NE was 7th in the league last season in rushing yards. #BradyBlocksToo?

Funner fact... Osweiler's numbers equaled or bested Manning's during Denver's 2015 SB run.

There are several pieces in every football team. Those pieces are interdependent. They are not equally important.

Not every piece has to excel to bring team success. Strong pieces can compensate for/elevate relatively weaker ones, but they cannot overcome a truly bad one (or more).

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:

Funner fact... Osweiler's numbers equaled or bested Manning's during Denver's 2015 SB run.

I did not know that. Very interesting. So the lesson for the Browns being-build that D into a Superbowl winner.

Ghoolie

@boo-fagley said:

Funny and truthful.

Here is the thing. The NE OL is ok, but Brady makes them great and Super Bowls champs. Not the OL making Brady great.

Brady gets rid of the ball. You said it a while back when you talked about a QB holding the ball too long. A QB standing back there like a statue is going to get sacked, no doubt fumble and throw INTs because the play just isnt there, but hes going to throw it anyway rather than be sacked again.

A few years back the NY Jets had the dream team OL 4 - 1st round picks and Brandon Moore undrafted.. Damien Woody RT - Alan Faneca - RG - Nick Mangold - C - Brandon Moore - LG - Bricksaw Ferguson - LT. Mangold is a HOFer and was considered the best C in the game at the time.

They had Mark "Buttfumble" Sanchez at QB who wound up choking. Its the QB.

NOBODY has more 1st round Offensive linemen than Dallas. THey can't keep a QB healthy to save their ass................ WHY................... Because like Luck.........Romo held on to the ball too fucking long.

Ghoolie

@hoorta said:

Yeah- those guys at nfl.com don't know diddly doo.

Cincinnati Bengals: They finish with a worse record than last season (6-9-1).

This hasn't happened since 2010, the year of the T.O.-Ochocinco marriage. So what gives? It's not because of the wide receiver group, which should be just fine with A.J. Green and rookie John Ross. No, the issue on offense is the offensive line, a group that didn't play particularly well last season. That group lost its two top players (Kevin Zeitler and Andrew Whitworth) during the offseason, which doesn't bode well for the skill positions. Sure, Ross boasts a tremendous 40 time, but by the time he gets downfield, Andy Dalton could very well be on his back. Many draftniks touted second-round selection Joe Mixon as a steal. But he won't be if he's running through some of the same holes Jeremy Hill saw last season. Cincinnati missed Hue Jackson's guidance on offense last season. Leadership on defense has been lacking. Wins could be similarly rare.

hey don't know as much as I do. hat is the point. THe Bengals OL was not an issue. They will make a run for the division title. 11- 5

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Ok Luck is 43-27 as a starter. Wtf?

The Gipper

@boo-fagley said:

And Torn2anus is the pivot man.

Its a passing league and NE had the 17th ranked run game in 2016. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff

Orsewiller is close to parking cars for a living 2 years after his HOF season.

You have posted twice now without making your pick on the All Time Draft Thread. If you do not wish to participate just say so...and we will substitute for you.

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@boo-fagley said:

Look at the AFCS division - Tenn, Jax and Houston.

Luck would shit the bed in the AFCN.

What the fuck ever. Any team but a few would love the have Luck. Eat a dick.

Gunz41

@boo-fagley said:

Tony Romo with the Amish look. The fans are going to turn on him soon.

Its all about the QB.

Look at virtually every Super Bowl. Both teams got there because they found a QB good enough to win.

This is one of the dumbest AND brilliant comments I have ever seen. There have been many Super Bowl teams that have had sub par QB's playing in the game (Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are 2 that jump out), that is the dumbest part of it, but brilliant because obviously they were good enough to win because they were there. The part you are not saying is those 2 instances the defense carried them. Those QB's didn't lose them the game, but weren't on a Brady, Montana, Elway, Manning level, or even in the same neighborhood.

And before you call me a Luck fan, I think he is very overrated. Sure he is better than some of the QB's in the league, but he is not as great as some of the talk about him.

And to your gus argument, both of you are correct. Luck was bad in the game, but so was the Indy defense. I don't understand the way people think now a days, its like if one point is correct then that is the only point that can be correct.

I'll put it like this, Ghoolie can be a jerk (as well as anyone else), Ghoolie can also be very funny (as can anyone else). BOTH can be true at the same time

gumby73

@boo-fagley said:

Its been decades since some of these guys have seen a good Browns QB.

Probably just like a vagina..

no we just won't rub Brady's VJ watching him..

@boo-fagley said:

Funny and truthful.

Here is the thing. The NE OL is ok, but Brady makes them great and Super Bowls champs. Not the OL making Brady great.

Brady gets rid of the ball. You said it a while back when you talked about a QB holding the ball too long. A QB standing back there like a statue is going to get sacked, no doubt fumble and throw INTs because the play just isnt there, but hes going to throw it anyway rather than be sacked again.

A few years back the NY Jets had the dream team OL 4 - 1st round picks and Brandon Moore undrafted.. Damien Woody RT - Alan Faneca - RG - Nick Mangold - C - Brandon Moore - LG - Bricksaw Ferguson - LT. Mangold is a HOFer and was considered the best C in the game at the time.

They had Mark "Buttfumble" Sanchez at QB who wound up choking. Its the QB.

Ha! We did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but put Larry,Curley,Moe,Shemp & Mangold on Brady's OL the system does not change..Brady made Wes Welker on precise 6 yard routes. While Welker than handed the torch to Julian Edelman..Hell even Dallas has a Cole Beasley to get the ball out..Problem is only 1 team took a chance on Brady in the 6th with a plan. Belicheck made him a better field general..Brady don't take orders from WR's nor RB's..They take orders from Tom Brady..

@tour2ma said:

Phoolie and Phagley... a two-man circlejerk.

Wink-inz'-Blink-in at Knob..they still leave the light on for them

hoorta

@ghoolie said:

They don't know as much as I do. that is the point. The Bengals OL was not an issue. They will make a run for the division title. 11- 5

My poop knows more about the Bungles than you do. Ooohhhh- Tyler Eifer was hurt, that's gonna give them 5 more wins this year? You're full of shit. Their window was closing last year- this year- it's getting slammed shut.

I'll even give you an over under of 9 wins on the Bungles. (Vegas says 8.5) Bottle of Zaya to a bottle of Hennessey VSOP. I say under. 10.5 over under? I'll up it to a case.

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@boo-fagley said:

Its a fact that Luck plays in a weak ass division.

About as weak as your reason for wanting Luck. GFY

So it was ok for Manning to put up HOF numbers in the same division but ok.

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@boo-fagley said:

From 1998 - 2001 the Colts were in the AFC East.

Manning kept losing to Brady in the playoffs because its all about the QB.

Exactly my point thank you.

The Gipper

@gunz41 said:

This is one of the dumbest AND brilliant comments I have ever seen. There have been many Super Bowl teams that have had sub par QB's playing in the game (Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are 2 that jump out), that is the dumbest part of it, but brilliant because obviously they were good enough to win because they were there. The part you are not saying is those 2 instances the defense carried them. Those QB's didn't lose them the game, but weren't on a Brady, Montana, Elway, Manning level, or even in the same neighborhood.

And before you call me a Luck fan, I think he is very overrated. Sure he is better than some of the QB's in the league, but he is not as great as some of the talk about him.

And to your gus argument, both of you are correct. Luck was bad in the game, but so was the Indy defense. I don't understand the way people think now a days, its like if one point is correct then that is the only point that can be correct.

I'll put it like this, Ghoolie can be a jerk (as well as anyone else), Ghoolie can also be very funny (as can anyone else). BOTH can be true at the same time

Ben R. in 2005 was a mediocre to below average QB...on the Dilfer/Johnson level. Like them, he played fairly steadily, but was not great. That team's defense and run game won them that title. Yes, he was young, and later became a great QB.....but for that point in time he was mediocre at best and was carried by his team.

Name me one team ever that has made the Super Bowl....win or lose, that had a bad defense. The closest that I know was those Colts who won with Peyton. Fairly bad defense through the regular, but it stepped it up in the playoffs. (of course...in the Super Bowl they went against Rex Grossman...so they didn't have to be too good.

Point is: I actually think there are more teams to play in the SB...win or lose...who had mediocre QBs than there have been teams who have had mediocre defenses and a great QB.