"Browns' hierarchy seems to prefer Derek Anderson over fan-favorite Brady Quinn"
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Winslow? Who's Winslow? Is that the guy that used to play tight-end for us?
DA was a shanked Dawson FG from going 11-4. If he didn't have the locker room, he'd be gone. Deal with it.
Your attempt at condescension fails and so do you Roach, your whole point is stupid and asinine.
Winslow commented because he could, but you can't name anybody who has sided with DA. There is no doubt he probably has backers on the team that are his boys, find me a team where that is not the case.
He'd be gone if he could garner more than a box of cracker jacks, so deal with that.
How long does DA have to suck ass for you guys to want another QB? Two more years....three....you boys have made your mind up that for whatever reason you don't like Quinn and will accept DA for all his misgivings. I have come to the conclusion that when guys pull out the "local boy" card with Quinn and avoid all the other issues that they are nothing but DA lovers, but usually they are from Oregon somewhere. We'll see how jumping for joy you guys are when DA is being DA again. I'm sure you'll remind all of us gay Queen lovers that DA is the shit because he could have went 11-4 or something.
Your attempt at condescension fails and so do you Roach, your whole point is stupid and asinine.
Sorry Riffer. If Quinn beats out DA, he'll have my 100% support. Unfortunately, you can't say the same thing about DA. To me, that is a sad situation.
Best regards,
Stupid and Assinine
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It isn't about stirring the pot or wanting DA.
He does have the locker room from what I gather. He isn't the guy who got punched in the mouth.
I don't know if you have played team sports ...I assume some anyway.
You don't go from no problem to getting punched in the face at the drop of a hat.
From my experience, those things have usually brewed for a while until it finally spills over. Sorry, that is just how it works. Quinn wasn't just sitting there, all of a sudden says something and gets punched. There had to be more to it than that...I don't care how anybody wants to paint it.
As Roach said, I also can support whoever gets the job. I have a feeling you and others can't, and as he said, that is a sad situation.
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Sorry Riffer. If Quinn beats out DA, he'll have my 100% support. Unfortunately, you can't say the same thing about DA. To me, that is a sad situation.
Best regards,
Stupid and Assinine
Well, since I have never ever rooted against my QB, including last year when I wanted to trade DA when we could get something for him, I doubt I'll start now.
Another stupid and asinine comment Roach, you're piling them up.
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It isn't about stirring the pot or wanting DA.
He does have the locker room from what I gather. He isn't the guy who got punched in the mouth.
I don't know if you have played team sports ...I assume some anyway.
You don't go from no problem to getting punched in the face at the drop of a hat.
From my experience, those things have usually brewed for a while until it finally spills over. Sorry, that is just how it works. Quinn wasn't just sitting there, all of a sudden says something and gets punched. There had to be more to it than that...I don't care how anybody wants to paint it.
As Roach said, I also can support whoever gets the job. I have a feeling you and others can't, and as he said, that is a sad situation.
It isn't about stirring the pot or wanting DA.
He does have the locker room from what I gather. He isn't the guy who got punched in the mouth.
I don't know if you have played team sports ...I assume some anyway.
You don't go from no problem to getting punched in the face at the drop of a hat.
From my experience, those things have usually brewed for a while until it finally spills over. Sorry, that is just how it works. Quinn wasn't just sitting there, all of a sudden says something and gets punched. There had to be more to it than that...I don't care how anybody wants to paint it.
As Roach said, I also can support whoever gets the job. I have a feeling you and others can't, and as he said, that is a sad situation.
Peens just admit you love the Roachster cuz he's an older gentleman like yourself and you agree with some of his postings here where he goes against the grain.
Now on to your post. First off, I played football, basketball and baseball at a high level in HS. I also was a 19D10 Cavalry Recon Scout in the Army and a road construction foreman for years until a hip replacement forced me to change careers, so it's possible I may know a thing or two about working with a team.
What I ask from you or Roach is to back up your comments that DA has the locker room over Quinn. Right now you have zero cred basing a sucker punch from the fat team jester as your main resource, whereas I have the team's former superstar TE (who was supposed to be boys with DA) saying the Browns should go with Queen. I'll be waiting for some kind of proof other than Shaun Smith taking offense to something. That stuff happens in locker rooms all the time but doesn't get reported. Ever think that Smith is just a dumbass bully? Face it, it's all conjecture on your part but if someone doesn't agree with you they are immediately a Queen queer who won't back another QB.
You guys are the types that say you will back Quinn, but if he does get the job you'll be right on his nuts the minute he screws up talking up DA again, which is another reason a lot of us want him gone. I assume Mancock does too, hence making sure they got Ratliff in the trade.
If only Dexter could garner a free Pizza deliverd from Donatos.
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I like Roach because he makes sense.
That's cool with all you did...wasn't trying to say you didn't.....Cav Scouts train with the 5th up at Ft Knox the best I remember....pretty good outfit up there....2/327 here. No Slack
We will leave it at that....it will all play out over the next 2-3 months.
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That's cool with all you did...wasn't trying to say you didn't.....Cav Scouts train with the 5th up at Ft Knox the best I remember....pretty good outfit up there....2/327 here. No Slack
That is correct sir, although I did basic in Campbell and that sucked bad. WWI barracks and road marching everywhere.
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What's this crap from 'peen and others about our not "supporting" our QB? I cheer like hell for him and enjoyed the hell out of the Giants game last year. However, I don't think he's the answer. Has nothing to do with support.
Why didn't you come to the defense of other guys who weren't "getting it done"? (e.g., Andra Davis, Willie McGinnest, etc.) Why didn't you chide those who were wondering if we could find someone else who might do better?
Unreal.
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I did with Davis and never thought him the stiff many did.....Willie....well, you got me, he has been done for a while.
What can I say??
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It's tough to really claim the locker room as a backup. They tend to be politicized and sometimes racially and/or offense/defense divided. Pretty white boys with endorsement deals don't always get love from black defensive tackles.
But Smith didn't go after Quinn because nobody likes Quinn
I don't disagree as evidenced in my statement it doesn't mean he can't or won't build the teams confidence. I also didn't say nobody liked Quinn, and if it came across as such, I am clearing the record.
Not talking about you so much here Shepster, but there seems to be a lot of reading what people want to read rather than reading what people say.
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I think you are right. I think Brady hasn't exactly been accepted at this point.
That doesn't mean he can't or won't, but at this point I think there is something about the guy most of the players don't like as evidenced by him getting punched in the mouth.
I just can't see that as a one time thing that caused that. My feeling is some things had been brewing for a while before that happened.
Possibly BQ is trying a bit to hard to make it "his" team??
Yeah, how in the hell could anybody take these two quotes out of context.
don't disagree as evidenced in my statement it doesn't mean he can't or won't build the teams confidence. I also didn't say nobody liked Quinn, and if it came across as such, I am clearing the record.
Not talking about you so much here Shepster, but there seems to be a lot of reading what people want to read rather than reading what people say.
Then there is Roach's brilliant little swipe that started it all and you were so eager to agree with.
Anderson does have fans, and they're called teammates. The coach is no dummy.
So I guess this means that Mangini would never trade DA, it had nothing to do with the fact they couldn't get nothing for him.
Reading into what people aren't saying is going on, but that would be those who say that fans would never root for DA and only like Quinn because he grew up in Columbus. I gotcha.
I knew this kind of BS would go on here as long as DA didn't get moved, and it doesn't have to come from our Oregon State brethren either.
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Yeah, how in the hell could anybody take these two quotes out of context.
I agree.
I never said people didn't like him. What I said is it is pretty unusual for a guy to to get his lips puffed up without something being behind it, and something that has been festering a while.
We aren't talking strangers here.
At ant rate, this is Q's opportunity to shine. He needs to put it to rest.
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@shepwrite said:
Nice stuff, Riff. If somebody has a quote that indicates that the players love Anderson and hate Quinn, I've never seen it... and I read everything. All I've heard is that both guys are well liked but very different -- Anderson is laid back while Quinn is more of the leader type. He's the guy more likely to make it "his team" if he succeeds as a starter, whereas that's not Anderson's style.As a QB junkie who read every bio of every QB ever written, I'm a believer in the QB as team leader. I think there's something slightly off on teams where the WRs boss the quarterback or the face of the team is a regular position player. Kind of a doughnut hole.
The closest to any kind of proof that the team majority backs DA and not Quinn has come straight from guys like Lum and his Oregon Trail buttboys, that is it. Quinn has had support of every team he's ever been on and is by all accounts a good guy with a driven penchant to succeed. I think DA is a good guy but not a leader, he is more of a golfing buddy type. I want a fiery leader who has "it" and can get in the faces of someone if need be, and we haven't had that since Garcia or Dildofer and they weren't long term answers.
I actually believe Smith and Quinn are friends and get along pretty well with one another, the punch thing was just Smith being the over emotional and reactionary buffoon that he is capable of being from time to time. I'd venture to say the whole thing would have never happened had they not liked each other, hence they wouldn't have been chickenshitting one another in the first place.
Fraley was brought up at times last year being pro DA and anti Quinn, with some going as far to say that Fraley was letting Quinn get hit after he took over. Most of that came from Lumnuts, but if indeed Fraley and DA are boys it doesn't mean that the rest of the team backs DA over Quinn, it just means that DA and Fraley were battery mates who happened to be buds, plain and simple. If you ever go to camp, you'll see that the first team QB and center will be together as will the second and third team guys, so naturally they develop a kinship with one another.
Don't be too quick to discount a black defensive tackle not liking a pretty boy backup QB with endorsement deals and an advanced pedigree. People like to surround themselves with winners on every level, it makes them feel good about themselves. Shaun Smith thinks he's the team voice anyway, so why would he want to alienate one of the team's most popular guys?
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No proof the other way either.....most say what they think they should say, so some quote by somebody doesn't mean much.
Like i said, it will play out this year.
If you are confident, don't sounds like you aren't.
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I think you are right. I think Brady hasn't exactly been accepted at this point.
That doesn't mean he can't or won't, but at this point I think there is something about the guy most of the players don't like as evidenced by him getting punched in the mouth.
I just can't see that as a one time thing that caused that. My feeling is some things had been brewing for a while before that happened.
Possibly BQ is trying a bit to hard to make it "his" team??
Yeah, how in the hell could anybody take these two quotes out of context.
don't disagree as evidenced in my statement it doesn't mean he can't or won't build the teams confidence. I also didn't say nobody liked Quinn, and if it came across as such, I am clearing the record.
Not talking about you so much here Shepster, but there seems to be a lot of reading what people want to read rather than reading what people say.
Then there is Roach's brilliant little swipe that started it all and you were so eager to agree with.
Anderson does have fans, and they're called teammates. The coach is no dummy.
So I guess this means that Mangini would never trade DA, it had nothing to do with the fact they couldn't get nothing for him.
Reading into what people aren't saying is going on, but that would be those who say that fans would never root for DA and only like Quinn because he grew up in Columbus. I gotcha.
I knew this kind of BS would go on here as long as DA didn't get moved, and it doesn't have to come from our Oregon State brethren either.
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IMO you ALWAYS give a 1st round draft choice the chance to prove himself in game conditions... This means him starting with the first unit for multiple games...
The popular opinion on this board is that RAC was an idiot, RAC was a doughnut eating baffoon, RAC was merely a coffee fetcher for other great coaches
However in reality, RAC is a highly respected football coach throughout the NFL and has more football knowledge than most monday morning QB's and fanatsy league players... This man has made a living in professional football and I would venture to guess he was paid way above minimum wage... He was put into a situation where he could not win, Vince Lombardi or Paul Brown would not have done better with all the circumstances considered... When healthy, RAC will once again surface in the NFL... Chances are it wont be as a head coach but does that justify all the venom being spewed forth at him just because he couldn't get it done as the Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns????
For whatever reason, during the past few years, Brady Quinn could not beat out Derek Anderson and was relugated to clipboard duty as a result... This was so because football people made football decisions based on what they saw, regardless of the fact that most fans want to see what we have in Quinn... Do you think for a minute that the coaches would risk losing their high paid jobs by playing an inferior player???? They must have seen something to convince them that Anderson gave them the best chance to win...
With all that said, however, I want to see what we invested a 1st round pick in by playing the kid... By his draft choice selection he deserves a chance to lose his job on the field rather than on the practice field.... I'm just not going to blindly predict that he is the one to lead us to the promised land based on where he played college ball, his marketability, his level of play in preseason against 3rd stringers, his level of play in 1 regular season game or whatever biased reasons used to justify these opinions...
As a life long Browns fan (and I'll continue to be a Browns fan long after Quinn & Anderson are gone from the Cleveland scene, God willing that is) I want whats best for my team and I can only trust those in charge to make the right choice..
Thats the way I see it and by the way, the real Drive Assasin last year was Braylon Edwards---he sucked the life out of the team.....
T.Dawg
IMO you ALWAYS give a 1st round draft choice the chance to prove himself in game conditions... This means him starting with the first unit for multiple games...
The popular opinion on this board is that RAC was an idiot, RAC was a doughnut eating baffoon, RAC was merely a coffee fetcher for other great coaches
However in reality, RAC is a highly respected football coach throughout the NFL and has more football knowledge than most monday morning QB's and fanatsy league players... This man has made a living in professional football and I would venture to guess he was paid way above minimum wage... He was put into a situation where he could not win, Vince Lombardi or Paul Brown would not have done better with all the circumstances considered... When healthy, RAC will once again surface in the NFL... Chances are it wont be as a head coach but does that justify all the venom being spewed forth at him just because he couldn't get it done as the Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns????
For whatever reason, during the past few years, Brady Quinn could not beat out Derek Anderson and was relugated to clipboard duty as a result... This was so because football people made football decisions based on what they saw, regardless of the fact that most fans want to see what we have in Quinn... Do you think for a minute that the coaches would risk losing their high paid jobs by playing an inferior player???? They must have seen something to convince them that Anderson gave them the best chance to win...
With all that said, however, I want to see what we invested a 1st round pick in by playing the kid... By his draft choice selection he deserves a chance to lose his job on the field rather than on the practice field.... I'm just not going to blindly predict that he is the one to lead us to the promised land based on where he played college ball, his marketability, his level of play in preseason against 3rd stringers, his level of play in 1 regular season game or whatever biased reasons used to justify these opinions...
As a life long Browns fan (and I'll continue to be a Browns fan long after Quinn & Anderson are gone from the Cleveland scene, God willing that is) I want whats best for my team and I can only trust those in charge to make the right choice..
Thats the way I see it and by the way, the real Drive Assasin last year was Braylon Edwards---he sucked the life out of the team.....
T.Dawg
Dude, BQ and DA have yet to have a camp battle, they diddnt duke it out last summer, DA was handed the job for going 10-6 and getting pro-bowl recognition. DA was going to start regardless of who was better in camp. This will be the first year BQ and DA actually compete
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Dude ???? DA & BQ have been in camp together for the past few years---DA started and BQ did the clipboard thang... Therefore, DA must have looked better to the coaching staff as he was given the starting position.....
I'm just a plain ol' Browns fan and unlike you I don't have all this inside information telling me as to why player A is starting over player B... I can only assume that the coaching staff felt that DA gave them a better chance to win....
Now before you start ripping my head off let me say this very clearly---as a 1st round selection I feel that Quinn should be given every opportunity to start---this is what you do with 1st round selections.... The only fly in this ointment is that the current regime has no ties to Quinn, didn't draft him and has no face saving obligation to appoint him the starter...
Seems to me, though, that the Quinn supporters on this board have a deep hatred for Anderson yet pose a blind loyality for the untested Quinn.... I don't have any ill feelings toward either and would accept either as my QB if thats the direction the coaching staff decided... I think Anderson has a huge upside... Quinn on the other hand has shown me some good things in his game but truthfully I haven't seen enough to support a conclusion.....
I want to see Quinn play multiple games with the 1st unit and once he gets that opportunity I'll then form a final opinion..... With that said, however, who ever is under center will have my support....
T.Dawg
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It may appear to be a bias for someone like you Daddybull that hasn't been around here in awhile and seen the posts for the last year. The fact of the matter is we have seen what DA is and not Quinn, plain and simple. DA is the league's worst ranked passer, hence wanting to see Quinn.
There has never been a QB competition between DA and Quinn, period. DA was crowned the starter last year the second he signed on the dotted line, and the year before Quinn wasn't even in camp until late. There is virtually no way the designated backup can beat out a coronated starter based on camp reps barring the starter completely crapping the bed. Most of the reps with the first team go to the starter and DA is a good practice player when there is no rush to be found.
Speaking of which, here is something from Grossi that I've been saying for quite awhile now.
Hey, Tony: Do you think splitting the reps between both QBs in training camp is a good idea? It seems to me they need go ahead and let one of them get all the reps to develop some chemistry with the line and receivers. It seems to me at this point they are short-changing both guys when it comes to practice time. Also, it seems we have seen exactly what Anderson is, but we don't yet know what Quinn brings to the table and it is time to find out. -- Gordon Rogers, Charlotte, N.C.
Hey, Gordon: I'm not in favor of open competitions at quarterback. I just don't think throwing in practice without a live rush and hitting shows anything. I think you make excellent points and I tend to agree with them.
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@shepwrite said:
Nice stuff, Riff. If somebody has a quote that indicates that the players love Anderson and hate Quinn, I've never seen it... and I read everything.Did you read about how Quinn pissed off the majority of the locker room by introducing McCain at the republican rally?
Yeah I'm sure everybody loved that. That's why RAC had to cut off political talk.
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@shepwrite said:
Nice stuff, Riff. If somebody has a quote that indicates that the players love Anderson and hate Quinn, I've never seen it... and I read everything.Did you read about how Quinn pissed off the majority of the locker room by introducing McCain at the republican rally?
Yeah I'm sure everybody loved that. That's why RAC had to cut off political talk.
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Lest YE not forget...Oreo Crennel didnt play Quinn because of his freaky hate of rookies, , in my mind. To me just because the guy held out and DA played lights out first half of season he got, forgot. After the last half of season 2 years ago...we all saw it coming....I wont even mention the very worst and most embarrassing pro-bowl I've ever watched. Quinn should be named the starter from day 1....he's had two years to watch...throw him the FK in there!
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