HOF Weekend
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@boo-fagley said:
Like Jerry Jones? Can someone explain why he is great?
Jason Taylor was solid, but great? No Super Bowls and kinda a choker in big games.
Saturday - 6 pro bowls, 1 Super Championship, undrafted. Can you write the story of the Manning era without Saturday? No, he was the Colts most notable O lineman.
Jerrah... as h pointed out, it's $$$ in owners pockets... same as Rozelle. Rightly or wrongly, Jerrah is seen as a major reason that franchise values have skyrocketed.
There is an 8-year stretch in the middle of Taylor's career where his impact was HoF worthy and on par with the best period of another Taylor's HoF career... but overall, no, I don't think of the two Taylors the same way... and has nothing to do with playoff success... or an OLB "choking". Not even sure how you determine that.
Saturday? You are giving him a lot of credit for Peyton's success... seemingly in contradiction to your over-weighting of the QB position.
I liked the player and enjoy his comments on ESPN, but IMO he's borderline HoF worthy. While OGs came and went with regularity during Jeff's time, the OTs were relatively constant and pretty damn good. Tarik Glenn was the LT for more than half Jeff's early career with Ryan Diem holding down the right side. Point being that Jeff was not alone. Both OTs were there for the team's lone SB win in the Manning era.
Class of '18's Steve Hutchinson... now there's a HoF no-brainer...
Jerrah... as h pointed out, it's $$$ in owners pockets... same as Rozelle. Rightly or wrongly, Jerrah is seen as a major reason that franchise values have skyrocketed.
There is an 8-year stretch in the middle of Taylor's career where his impact was HoF worthy and on par with the best period of another Taylor's HoF career... but overall, no, I don't think of the two Taylors the same way... and has nothing to do with playoff success... or an OLB "choking". Not even sure how you determine that.
Saturday? You are giving him a lot of credit for Peyton's success... seemingly in contradiction to your over-weighting of the QB position.
I liked the player and enjoy his comments on ESPN, but IMO he's borderline HoF worthy. While OGs came and went with regularity during Jeff's time, the OTs were relatively constant and pretty damn good. Tarik Glenn was the LT for more than half Jeff's early career with Ryan Diem holding down the right side. Point being that Jeff was not alone. Both OTs were there for the team's lone SB win in the Manning era.
Class of '18's Steve Hutchinson... now there's a HoF no-brainer...
Dick Butkus.....HOF LB....in fact, considered perhaps one of the 10 greatest players ever.....and I believe that he never played in a postseason game. So, there you go with the whole playoff success being mandatory for HOF consideration.
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Except....Curly Lambeau was never the owner of the Packers...the community was and always has been.
and Rozelle was not an owner.
I always liked Larry Lambeau better and definitely better than Moe Lambeau.
Actually little Green Bay is unlike any other professional for profit team in the USA in any major sport. Doubt if it will ever be replicated, not viable at all now.
I always liked Larry Lambeau better and definitely better than Moe Lambeau.
Actually little Green Bay is unlike any other professional for profit team in the USA in any major sport. Doubt if it will ever be replicated, not viable at all now.
Actually, I believe it certainly could be viable....but the leagues want no part of that sort of community ownership. They basically want greed motivated individuals to own teams (because it is all greed motivated individuals that own the other teams...and they only want their ilk in their club...but that does not mean it could not work.
FYI, in all his years here, Art Modell was only ever a 52% owner. Don't you think the Browns could have done just as well if no one owned 50% or more?
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I always liked Larry Lambeau better and definitely better than Moe Lambeau.
Actually little Green Bay is unlike any other professional for profit team in the USA in any major sport. Doubt if it will ever be replicated, not viable at all now.
Actually, I believe it certainly could be viable....but the leagues want no part of that sort of community ownership. They basically want greed motivated individuals to own teams (because it is all greed motivated individuals that own the other teams...and they only want their ilk in their club...but that does not mean it could not work.
FYI, in all his years here, Art Modell was only ever a 52% owner. Don't you think the Browns could have done just as well if no one owned 50% or more?
Actually, I believe it certainly could be viable....but the leagues want no part of that sort of community ownership. They basically want greed motivated individuals to own teams (because it is all greed motivated individuals that own the other teams...and they only want their ilk in their club...but that does not mean it could not work.
FYI, in all his years here, Art Modell was only ever a 52% owner. Don't you think the Browns could have done just as well if no one owned 50% or more?
So it's no way except maybe in soccer.
They're inducting Jerry and Jerry's World into the NFL HOF largely for his help in shaping the new NFL. (or the new billionaire's fun club, sorry everyone else)
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I would like to see the HOF install a Black HOF branch and an LGBT HOF branch.
I would like to see the HOF suffer the same king of bullshit that the rest of America has suffered due this kind of horseshit.
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I would like to see the HOF install a Black HOF branch and an LGBT HOF branch.
I would like to see the HOF suffer the same king of bullshit that the rest of America has suffered due this kind of horseshit.
I would like to see the HOF install a Black HOF branch and an LGBT HOF branch.
I would like to see the HOF suffer the same king of bullshit that the rest of America has suffered due this kind of horseshit.
Will you be presenting for Caitlyn Jenner? 🥷
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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@boo-fagley said:
According to the radio, Jerry spent 16 million on a HOF party for himself.
Saggy pants wannabe Justin Beeber did the music.
Oh puke Justin crybaby Beeeber are you kidding? We're Yanni and Kenny G. all booked up?
He at least could have tried to get Aerosmith or what's left of the Beatles maybe even Billy Ray Cyrus, Jerry I thought you had at least some class left.
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Jerrah... as h pointed out, it's $$$ in owners pockets... same as Rozelle. Rightly or wrongly, Jerrah is seen as a major reason that franchise values have skyrocketed.
There is an 8-year stretch in the middle of Taylor's career where his impact was HoF worthy and on par with the best period of another Taylor's HoF career... but overall, no, I don't think of the two Taylors the same way... and has nothing to do with playoff success... or an OLB "choking". Not even sure how you determine that.
Saturday? You are giving him a lot of credit for Peyton's success... seemingly in contradiction to your over-weighting of the QB position.
I liked the player and enjoy his comments on ESPN, but IMO he's borderline HoF worthy. While OGs came and went with regularity during Jeff's time, the OTs were relatively constant and pretty damn good. Tarik Glenn was the LT for more than half Jeff's early career with Ryan Diem holding down the right side. Point being that Jeff was not alone. Both OTs were there for the team's lone SB win in the Manning era.
Class of '18's Steve Hutchinson... now there's a HoF no-brainer...
Dick Butkus.....HOF LB....in fact, considered perhaps one of the 10 greatest players ever.....and I believe that he never played in a postseason game. So, there you go with the whole playoff success being mandatory for HOF consideration.
Timberlake's a showman with Big Band inclinations in his latest incarnation... both right up Jerrah's alley.
Meanwhile, "Jimmy 'Pulling His Own' Johnson didn't build shit," ranks among the most ignorant statements ever posted in this forum.
Dick Butkus.....HOF LB....in fact, considered perhaps one of the 10 greatest players ever.....and I believe that he never played in a postseason game. So, there you go with the whole playoff success being mandatory for HOF consideration.
Hmmmm... got me thinking...
Playoff success only seems to be a QB criteria... seems to be only mentioned in passing with every other position. And the degree to which it is emphasized for QBs seems to depend on how much it is needed to justify entry.
Closest thing to this QB phenomena would be HC.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Timberlake's a showman with Big Band inclinations in his latest incarnation... both right up Jerrah's alley.
Meanwhile, "Jimmy 'Pulling His Own' Johnson didn't build shit," ranks among the most ignorant statements ever posted in this forum.
Dick Butkus.....HOF LB....in fact, considered perhaps one of the 10 greatest players ever.....and I believe that he never played in a postseason game. So, there you go with the whole playoff success being mandatory for HOF consideration.
Hmmmm... got me thinking...
Playoff success only seems to be a QB criteria... seems to be only mentioned in passing with every other position. And the degree to which it is emphasized for QBs seems to depend on how much it is needed to justify entry.
Closest thing to this QB phenomena would be HC.
Timberlake's a showman with Big Band inclinations in his latest incarnation... both right up Jerrah's alley.
Meanwhile, "Jimmy 'Pulling His Own' Johnson didn't build shit," ranks among the most ignorant statements ever posted in this forum.
Hmmmm... got me thinking...
Playoff success only seems to be a QB criteria... seems to be only mentioned in passing with every other position. And the degree to which it is emphasized for QBs seems to depend on how much it is needed to justify entry.
Closest thing to this QB phenomena would be HC.
I think it makes total sense.. Like 3 heads of state that really and truly affects a team.. Owner, Coach and QB...
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I would like to see the HOF install a Black HOF branch and an LGBT HOF branch.
I would like to see the HOF suffer the same king of bullshit that the rest of America has suffered due this kind of horseshit.
I would like to see the HOF install a Black HOF branch and an LGBT HOF branch.
I would like to see the HOF suffer the same king of bullshit that the rest of America has suffered due this kind of horseshit.
Nothing says you can't start your own. Just form a non-profit corp., buy a building, acquire the paraphenalia, obtain a license from the NFL, appoint a nominating committee. etc. etc. and you could have one.
But on a more serious, relevant, realistic note: What if a fairly high profile NFL star came out and said: I'm Gay.....so what?
What would you do? What would fans do? What would players coaches, owners do?
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Timberlake's a showman with Big Band inclinations in his latest incarnation... both right up Jerrah's alley.
Meanwhile, "Jimmy 'Pulling His Own' Johnson didn't build shit," ranks among the most ignorant statements ever posted in this forum.
Dick Butkus.....HOF LB....in fact, considered perhaps one of the 10 greatest players ever.....and I believe that he never played in a postseason game. So, there you go with the whole playoff success being mandatory for HOF consideration.
Hmmmm... got me thinking...
Playoff success only seems to be a QB criteria... seems to be only mentioned in passing with every other position. And the degree to which it is emphasized for QBs seems to depend on how much it is needed to justify entry.
Closest thing to this QB phenomena would be HC.
Timberlake's a showman with Big Band inclinations in his latest incarnation... both right up Jerrah's alley.
Meanwhile, "Jimmy 'Pulling His Own' Johnson didn't build shit," ranks among the most ignorant statements ever posted in this forum.
Hmmmm... got me thinking...
Playoff success only seems to be a QB criteria... seems to be only mentioned in passing with every other position. And the degree to which it is emphasized for QBs seems to depend on how much it is needed to justify entry.
Closest thing to this QB phenomena would be HC.
True....a QB does have to be more outstanding to warrant HOF consideration...if he has no rings, than it seems that players at other positions do. Of course a few do make it without rings: In the SB era: Marino..Only 1 SB appearance., Fouts...none, Sonny Jurgenson,..none. Warren Moon...None., Fran Tarkenton never won but got to 3 SBs. Jim Kelly...none but 4 appearances. But I do count 14 others that did play in the SB era, and they have won SB rings.
Aikman
Elway,
Montana
Young
Warner
Bradshaw
Dawson
Griese
Stabler
Starr
Staubach
Unitas
Favre
Warner
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@boo-fagley said:
Joe Namath would not get in today IMO.
I believe for a QB to get in without a Super Bowl win he must have sustained greatness - Kelly, Marino, Fran, Fouts, Moon.
And OOPs, it looks like I left Namath out. But, Joe is in because he was the pivotal figure in one of the most seminal moments of football history.
(but note, some of his numbers are about on par with other HOF QBs of his era.....remember, back then a 1:1 TD to Int. ratio was about as good as could be expected...see the thread about 1978)
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@boo-fagley said:
Yup, Namath made the AFL a viable league. Plus, he was playing in the NYC market. At times there is East coast bias.
Yes, I am sure that helped.
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@boo-fagley said:
Yup, Namath made the AFL a viable league. Plus, he was playing in the NYC market. At times there is East coast bias.
Yes, I am sure that helped.
Yes, I am sure that helped.
Hell yes, some of the old AFL guys were crying when da' JETS beat the old established NFL team. Cemented his legacy right there! Too bad Namath wasn't 100% even going back to his Alabama years.
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Jim Plunkett started and won 2 Super Bowls (also SB XV MVP) but you'll not hear his name mentioned in the HOF.
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Yes, I am sure that helped.
Hell yes, some of the old AFL guys were crying when da' JETS beat the old established NFL team. Cemented his legacy right there! Too bad Namath wasn't 100% even going back to his Alabama years.
Hell yes, some of the old AFL guys were crying when da' JETS beat the old established NFL team. Cemented his legacy right there! Too bad Namath wasn't 100% even going back to his Alabama years.
He was a very good, dual-threat QB coming out of HS in western PA. Wrecked a knee early in his BAMA days in the era of "stone-knives and bearskins" knee surgery.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Hell yes, some of the old AFL guys were crying when da' JETS beat the old established NFL team. Cemented his legacy right there! Too bad Namath wasn't 100% even going back to his Alabama years.
He was a very good, dual-threat QB coming out of HS in western PA. Wrecked a knee early in his BAMA days in the era of "stone-knives and bearskins" knee surgery.
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