The Land of Oz
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I have to agree with this
Ross Tucker
@RossTuckerNFL
Starting a QB in preseason opener that you haven't given ANY 1st team reps in practice makes no sense whatsoever.
1:44 pm · 7 Aug 2017
I have to agree with this
Well look who dropped in... must be preseason... PUB CRAWL 10/17!!!
I honestly believe we're essentially "showcasing" Brock to the rest of the league, and there's a chance we'll trade Brock before the start of the season. I recently read a report that said we weren't interested in trading Brock to the Fins, but I don't know if that's verified or not. The thing is, if Brock comes out in the preseason and performs rather well, how the hell can we justify TRADING a QB who is moving the ball? LOL. I don't think we can, but we also realize that preseason numbers don't always add up to much.
You buried the lead in your 2nd paragraph...
We are in the danger zone of market building... that Brock's fan-stock rises faster than his trade value. It's really up to Kess to come on and take the job back over a highly functional Brock... that's the ideal scenario anyway... at least the one within reason. I can't see Kizer accelerating his learning curve enough to get in the competition this early.
Fins were never going to come close to offering what we'd want for Brock. With Cutler off the market the stage is set. Now all we need is Kess to step up... wish I felt better about the odds.
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In other words, Hue is saying " I still have no fucking idea what I am doing, and will play roulette while I hope a miracle happens".
Seriously, this fucking guys needs to go.
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In other words, Hue is saying " I still have no fucking idea what I am doing, and will play roulette while I hope a miracle happens".
Seriously, this fucking guys needs to go.
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Brock is currently the best QB on the roster, like it or not. I believe Hue hoped that Kess would be able to take his game to the next level and gave him every opportunity to show him he could, but it became painfully obvious that even with all of Kess's hard off season work, it just wasn't and probably isn't going to happen.
They have only been in camp for a little over a week, so it's really not the end of the world the BO hasn't gotten any #1 work...... Hell, he took his merry band of 2s and moved them against the 1s.
Kizer will play this year, but he is nowhere near ready now and BO will start opening day.
Brock is currently the best QB on the roster, like it or not. I believe Hue hoped that Kess would be able to take his game to the next level and gave him every opportunity to show him he could, but it became painfully obvious that even with all of Kess's hard off season work, it just wasn't and probably isn't going to happen.
They have only been in camp for a little over a week, so it's really not the end of the world the BO hasn't gotten any #1 work...... Hell, he took his merry band of 2s and moved them against the 1s.
Kizer will play this year, but he is nowhere near ready now and BO will start opening day.
Cha-G hing!!..And Hell D-Bone was our Kessler Band leader from So-Cal when we drafted Kess..Kess tried to find a better NFL body type hoping to improve his game. Can't say it failed but it maybe still under construction?
We are in the danger zone of market building... that Brock's fan-stock rises faster than his trade value. It's really up to Kess to come on and take the job back over a highly functional Brock... that's the ideal scenario anyway... at least the one within reason. I can't see Kizer accelerating his learning curve enough to get in the competition this early.
Fins were never going to come close to offering what we'd want for Brock. With Cutler off the market the stage is set. Now all we need is Kess to step up... wish I felt better about the odds.
The Fins were still un-scrambling the loss of Tanny when Hue got hit the question at the podium talking QB change. ya got to wonder what Case's next call was if Cutler said no? Am guessing Sashi had a hope with the Case & Brock connection? But did the phone call ever come? Either way it goes.. "somebody" was that close..
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Brock is currently the best QB on the roster, like it or not. I believe Hue hoped that Kess would be able to take his game to the next level and gave him every opportunity to show him he could, but it became painfully obvious that even with all of Kess's hard off season work, it just wasn't and probably isn't going to happen.
They have only been in camp for a little over a week, so it's really not the end of the world the BO hasn't gotten any #1 work...... Hell, he took his merry band of 2s and moved them against the 1s.
Kizer will play this year, but he is nowhere near ready now and BO will start opening day.
Cha-G hing!!..And Hell D-Bone was our Kessler Band leader from So-Cal when we drafted Kess..Kess tried to find a better NFL body type hoping to improve his game. Can't say it failed but it maybe still under construction?
We are in the danger zone of market building... that Brock's fan-stock rises faster than his trade value. It's really up to Kess to come on and take the job back over a highly functional Brock... that's the ideal scenario anyway... at least the one within reason. I can't see Kizer accelerating his learning curve enough to get in the competition this early.
Fins were never going to come close to offering what we'd want for Brock. With Cutler off the market the stage is set. Now all we need is Kess to step up... wish I felt better about the odds.
The Fins were still un-scrambling the loss of Tanny when Hue got hit the question at the podium talking QB change. ya got to wonder what Case's next call was if Cutler said no? Am guessing Sashi had a hope with the Case & Brock connection? But did the phone call ever come? Either way it goes.. "somebody" was that close..
Cha-G hing!!..And Hell D Bone was our Kessler Band leader from So-Cal when we drafted Kess..Kess tried to find a better NFL body type hoping to improve his game. Can't say it failed but it maybe still under construction?
Yep gumby, I still really like the kid... He's tough, loyal and a hard worker, but he just isn't passing the eye test as a starting NFL QB. Hue and his staff can only coach him up so much, and at some point you are either gifted or you're not.
^ With that being said, I'm still a fan of his and think he will make a serviceable backup NFL QB.
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In other words, Hue is saying " I still have no fucking idea what I am doing, and will play roulette while I hope a miracle happens".
Seriously, this fucking guys needs to go.
Back up has always felt about right... primarily due to arm limitations. But if you are fast enough in processing info, you can compensate for some zip deficiency.
In other words, Hue is saying " I still have no fucking idea what I am doing, and will play roulette while I hope a miracle happens".
Seriously, this fucking guys needs to go.
Remind us all what your obvious choice has been among the rostered QB options based upon your observations of their mini-camp and full camp work to date?
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Wow. I hope it's just so other teams can pick him up. Otherwise bad move imo
Why? Honestly....what have the other QBs done so much better....in their careers, in this training camp, that would warrant them moving ahead of B.O.? Nothing. Almost all commentaries that I have heard have said that Kessler is essentially stinking up the joint, that Kizer is still just absolutely too raw and inexperienced....and that Hogan is no Hero.
The thing that likely, ultimately makes sense is for Osweiler to start the season....have Kessler as backup, and have Kizer play the Apprentice...having him look, listen, and learn.
Makes the most sense.
Unless you want the Browns to bring back RGIII or to bring in Kaepernick.
Why? Honestly....what have the other QBs done so much better....in their careers, in this training camp, that would warrant them moving ahead of B.O.? Nothing. Almost all commentaries that I have heard have said that Kessler is essentially stinking up the joint, that Kizer is still just absolutely too raw and inexperienced....and that Hogan is no Hero.
The thing that likely, ultimately makes sense is for Osweiler to start the season....have Kessler as backup, and have Kizer play the Apprentice...having him look, listen, and learn.
Makes the most sense.
Unless you want the Browns to bring back RGIII or to bring in Kaepernick.
Because we've seen what BO can do with a good team. Kessler played good last year. Despite having a bad team. Only knock on him is that he is too conservative. And a weak arm. I wouldn't mind bringing in Kap. And have him play WR/Qb. Like when he first got some time on the field. But not as starting QB. Negative on RG3.
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no, no, no. I wouldn't have kap on my team if he played for free. He couldn't buy his way onto my team.
Why add a cancer to your team, when you've been building a great lockerroom, etc etc for two years?
We haven't seen what Bros can do with these Browns. Apparently, all the coaching done on fundamentals wasn't
being done on that other "good" team. Os has enough experience, and with coaching, he could turn out to be
terrific. So far, he really deserves the chance.
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What cal said +1
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@boo-fagley said:
Kessler did not step up his game. Glad to see that you earn playing time with Hue just like Belichick.
Oswieller could be the surprise of the 2017 season. One year removed from a pretty nice season in Denver. I still believe that he was in the wrong offense in Houston.
I agree and I've said this since we've acquired OZ. How are we so rich in QB talent that we would not consider that Brock could come back to be "the man" and lead us out of the cellar of the league? IMO, being a good GM is 50% luck and 50% skill in that all decisions have such a high degree of risk and then there is the risk of injury, coaching systems, etc.
It's time for the Browns to do both - make good decisions and get lucky. Maybe OZ will be a prime example. I would love him to step-up and show that he's an above average QB. It would make the Texans look absolutely foolish!
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no, no, no. I wouldn't have kap on my team if he played for free. He couldn't buy his way onto my team.
Why add a cancer to your team, when you've been building a great lockerroom, etc etc for two years?
We haven't seen what Bros can do with these Browns. Apparently, all the coaching done on fundamentals wasn't
being done on that other "good" team. Os has enough experience, and with coaching, he could turn out to be
terrific. So far, he really deserves the chance.
no, no, no. I wouldn't have kap on my team if he played for free. He couldn't buy his way onto my team.
Why add a cancer to your team, when you've been building a great lockerroom, etc etc for two years?
We haven't seen what Bros can do with these Browns. Apparently, all the coaching done on fundamentals wasn't
being done on that other "good" team. Os has enough experience, and with coaching, he could turn out to be
terrific. So far, he really deserves the chance.
& now guys like Spike Lee are protesting that NFL GMs can't see Kaps greatness, and he's being deliberately shunned.
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The disappointing part according to most watching camp is that Kessler lost the job well above Osweiler winning it. That doesn't bode well, but I'll be interested to see what Brock Lobster brings to the table.
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The disappointing part according to most watching camp is that Kessler lost the job well above Osweiler winning it. That doesn't bode well, but I'll be interested to see what Brock Lobster brings to the table.
The disappointing part according to most watching camp is that Kessler lost the job well above Osweiler winning it.
Understood. But it is what it is. We're tied for first place. We've gotta play the least worse guy.
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no, no, no. I wouldn't have kap on my team if he played for free. He couldn't buy his way onto my team.
Why add a cancer to your team, when you've been building a great lockerroom, etc etc for two years?
We haven't seen what Bros can do with these Browns. Apparently, all the coaching done on fundamentals wasn't
being done on that other "good" team. Os has enough experience, and with coaching, he could turn out to be
terrific. So far, he really deserves the chance.
no, no, no. I wouldn't have kap on my team if he played for free. He couldn't buy his way onto my team.
Why add a cancer to your team, when you've been building a great lockerroom, etc etc for two years?
We haven't seen what Bros can do with these Browns. Apparently, all the coaching done on fundamentals wasn't
being done on that other "good" team. Os has enough experience, and with coaching, he could turn out to be
terrific. So far, he really deserves the chance.
Agreed.
& now guys like Spike Lee are protesting that NFL GMs can't see Kaps greatness, and he's being deliberately shunned.
I wouldn't touch Kap with a 10' pole, so SCREW Spike Lee!....(let HIM put his money where his mouth is & he can pay Kap)
1) Every action has a reaction. Kap is living with the reaction to HIS action & will continue to do so.
2) "Perception is reality"
Mike
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no, no, no. I wouldn't have kap on my team if he played for free. He couldn't buy his way onto my team.
Why add a cancer to your team, when you've been building a great lockerroom, etc etc for two years?
We haven't seen what Bros can do with these Browns. Apparently, all the coaching done on fundamentals wasn't
being done on that other "good" team. Os has enough experience, and with coaching, he could turn out to be
terrific. So far, he really deserves the chance.
& now guys like Spike Lee are protesting that NFL GMs can't see Kaps greatness, and he's being deliberately shunned.
& now guys like Spike Lee are protesting that NFL GMs can't see Kaps greatness, and he's being deliberately shunned.
The problem is that a guy like Spike Lee only sees skin color. He can't see Kap's lack of greatness. GMs see mediocrity. If he were so great, he would have a job regardless of his protests.
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^ That I agree with...
As for Kaep being a "cancer"... hard to find a teammate of his that put him in that category.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
^ That I agree with...
As for Kaep being a "cancer"... hard to find a teammate of his that put him in that category.
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