Trubisky 1 - Browns and Garrett 0
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If there's a highly rated QB in the draft..... it doesn't.The Garrett pick im sure will be a good one. The problem I have with him over Trubisky at 1 is , if we're lucky Garrett's name will show up in a stat line maybe 5 to 7 times a game. Trubisky on the other hand will show up 25 to 30 plus a game. I can't see how taking a DL 1 overall out weighs a QB at 1.
But trubisky will be that guy, and when Haslem realizes his front office fucked that one up, they are all toast.If there's a highly rated QB in the draft..... it doesn't.
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Im thinking the real key to this is not to compare Garrett to Trubisky,,,,,but to compare Kizer to Trubisky.....qb vs qb....
And, based upon the first game, they are neck and neck......
The Browns obviously decided to pick the guy with the better(more complete) resume and the highest "probability" to succeed ....which I think is the smart thing to do with the #1 overall pick.....this has been discussed to death and the prevailing thought by 98% of the world is that Trubisky had too many question marks, where Garrett didnt.....and there were several other QB's who were ranked similarly to Trubisky, one of which we selected....
So...in summary....the Browns thought that Garrett was a surer thing than Trubisky.....and that Kizer offered a similar risk and upside.....and went for both.....
Finally.....since the Trubs lovers came flying out of the woodwork after, basically, seeing him play 1/2 game....then lets be fair and give the same to our guy Kizer.....who was the one who won his game.....and was the one who had a higher rating.....and was the one who completed the longer passes(10 yd avg VS 6 yd avg)....and he passed for more yards, with fewer attempts....
Statistically....Kizer was better and we STILL have Garrett to wreak havoc on opposing QB's.....
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Garrett doesn't get a passer rating. He's on the defense.
LMAO! You were speaking to the Paxton Lynch fan club party of 1 though. Lynch still looked almost as good as 7th round pick Trevor Siemian as well as the undrafted rookie QB (K. Sloter).
As for Garrett, he didn't need 3 quarters of our 1st preseason game to prove he's our best DE. He proved that as soon as contact started in training camp.
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Im thinking the real key to this is not to compare Garrett to Trubisky,,,,,but to compare Kizer to Trubisky.....qb vs qb....
And, based upon the first game, they are neck and neck......
The Browns obviously decided to pick the guy with the better(more complete) resume and the highest "probability" to succeed ....which I think is the smart thing to do with the #1 overall pick.....this has been discussed to death and the prevailing thought by 98% of the world is that Trubisky had too many question marks, where Garrett didnt.....and there were several other QB's who were ranked similarly to Trubisky, one of which we selected....
So...in summary....the Browns thought that Garrett was a surer thing than Trubisky.....and that Kizer offered a similar risk and upside.....and went for both.....
Finally.....since the Trubs lovers came flying out of the woodwork after, basically, seeing him play 1/2 game....then lets be fair and give the same to our guy Kizer.....who was the one who won his game.....and was the one who had a higher rating.....and was the one who completed the longer passes(10 yd avg VS 6 yd avg)....and he passed for more yards, with fewer attempts....
Statistically....Kizer was better and we STILL have Garrett to wreak havoc on opposing QB's.....
Im thinking the real key to this is not to compare Garrett to Trubisky,,,,,but to compare Kizer to Trubisky.....qb vs qb....
And, based upon the first game, they are neck and neck......
The Browns obviously decided to pick the guy with the better(more complete) resume and the highest "probability" to succeed ....which I think is the smart thing to do with the #1 overall pick.....this has been discussed to death and the prevailing thought by 98% of the world is that Trubisky had too many question marks, where Garrett didnt.....and there were several other QB's who were ranked similarly to Trubisky, one of which we selected....
So...in summary....the Browns thought that Garrett was a surer thing than Trubisky.....and that Kizer offered a similar risk and upside.....and went for both.....
Finally.....since the Trubs lovers came flying out of the woodwork after, basically, seeing him play 1/2 game....then lets be fair and give the same to our guy Kizer.....who was the one who won his game.....and was the one who had a higher rating.....and was the one who completed the longer passes(10 yd avg VS 6 yd avg)....and he passed for more yards, with fewer attempts....
Statistically....Kizer was better and we STILL have Garrett to wreak havoc on opposing QB's.....
Worth seeing again! Thanks Mud!
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Go watch the Chicago game and then watch the kizer portion of ours, Trubisky is light years ahead of Kizer. You can't teach accuracy. The kid has lazer accuracy even while throwing on the run.
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"I put stock in preseason football and then proceed to call other people idiots"
The irony is strong with this one.
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I knew it would only take one game for Ghoolie to get her butt hurt.
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Go watch the Chicago game and then watch the kizer portion of ours, Trubisky is light years ahead of Kizer. You can't teach accuracy. The kid has lazer accuracy even while throwing on the run.
Go watch the Chicago game and then watch the kizer portion of ours, Trubisky is light years ahead of Kizer. You can't teach accuracy. The kid has laze accuracy even while throwing on the run.
Not only that.. but Trubs ran a smoother huddle.. Looked like he knew what to orchestrate.. made adjustments and ran it .. Not to compare him.. but he reminded Me a bit of Aaron Rodgers out there.. Not ready to anoint him.. But he looked far better.., Kizer did some nice things.. But I'm not ready to bet the farm on him just yet...
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Obviously, I need to post this again over in THIS thread.
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what a load of bullhockey.
1. Trubisky was the most NFL ready qb in this draft. Gloating over the first exhibition? Not priceless.
2. I was/am a big Trubisky fan. Yes, he was really impressive. He seemed to be throwing mostly
short passes, often to wide open wr's. Like Victor Cruz. Of course Trubisky was going to do well.
3. However, he also had a few overthrows on longer passes, and two batted down.
4. Kizer had one? batted down, and a lot of pressure. Trubisky didn't have Cam at LT.
5. Kizer had some huge bigtime long downfield throws. Beautful, powerful, accurate way downfield throws.
6. I'm thinking all the wailing about us not drafting Khali Mack, and we get Garrett and Kizer?
Huge WIN.
7. If it's good to go on just the first exhibition game...then you have to figure this guy is going
to be a great qb.
Weeden completed 15 of 25 yards for 179 yards and a rushing touchdown.
Oh. That is Brandon Weeden. Go figure. He threw for more yards than Trubisky.
Then there is Deshaun Watson.
15/25 179 0 0 15
No touchdowns.
8. Let's see...Kizer's stats:
STATS CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT RAT This Game 11 18 184 61.1 10.22 52 1 0 114.1
So... Kizer completes 11 of 18...a TD... 61.1 completion average, the longest was 52 yards.. for a qb rating of 114.1
9. Trubisky threw a high percentage for....166 yards. Kizer threw for 184.
10. So, Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury - I submit to you, that Kizer threw for MORE YARDS than Trubisky, Watson,
or even Weeden. On fewer attempts. It was WAY WISER TO HAVE PICKED KIZER and GARRET.
Your honor, the defense calls for a root beer recess.
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Go watch the Chicago game and then watch the kizer portion of ours, Trubisky is light years ahead of Kizer. You can't teach accuracy. The kid has lazer accuracy even while throwing on the run.
Go watch the Chicago game and then watch the kizer portion of ours, Trubisky is light years ahead of Kizer.
I watched both and completely disagree.....
Trubs was dink dunk ....Kesslerish......only 1 pass over 20.......let's wait a lil longer than 1/2 game to crown him.....k?
Dreading hearing this Trubs whining for the next howmany? years........
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But trubisky will be that guy, and when Haslem realizes his front office fucked that one up, they are all toast.If there's a highly rated QB in the draft..... it doesn't.
Its possible he could be a good QB. I thought it was a gigantic reachBut trubisky will be that guy, and when Haslem realizes his front office fucked that one up, they are all toast.
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Its possible he could be a good QB. I thought it was a gigantic reachBut trubisky will be that guy, and when Haslem realizes his front office fucked that one up, they are all toast.
Its possible he could be a good QB. I thought it was a gigantic reach
Both are true statements.....not sure how many thought Trubs would suck, but its probably a low number. Just as few felt certain he'd be great. He might. But it was a gamble to find out.
But trubisky will be that guy, and when Haslem realizes his front office fucked that one up, they are all toast.
Pretty sure the Browns(including Haslam) had LONG, long, long and in depth discussions about Trubisky and still opted for Garrett. Dont think Jimmy had any aspersions as to what Trubs "could" become....
And, if Garrett plays up to expectations, this wont even be a discussion in Berea.....lots of players play above expectation, so Trubs would be one of many who just did better than the Browns thought he would.....dont think they'll lose much sleep over it....
And if Kizer is good.....then the Browns killed it....Mitch who?
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My Oh Pinyan on this is wait three years and call me
My Oh Pinyan on this is wait three years and call me
in 3 years half of our picks will be waiting tables and a new regime in place, so.........
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Ghoolie is sooo right on this.
Passed on wentz last year, have a prototypical franchise QB from the Cleveland area that wants to play for his home team and we sign someone who doesn't want to be in the brown and orange and can't get off the bench because of a stubbed toe.
Another regretful 1st pick by next year's car salesman of the year.
These guys can't pick anything except their asses.
Ghoolie is sooo right on this.
Passed on wentz last year, have a prototypical franchise QB from the Cleveland area that wants to play for his home team and we sign someone who doesn't want to be in the brown and orange and can't get off the bench because of a stubbed toe.
Another regretful 1st pick by next year's car salesman of the year.
These guys can't pick anything except their asses.
I believe Ghoolie last year said Paxton Lynch was the second coming and that dude can't beat out Trevor Siemian. That said I liked Trubisky as the top QB coming out this year and wasn't high on Kizer but its one preseason game and both guys played against 2nd and 3rd teamers. They both have a ways to go as neither played many snaps under center or huddled up in college. Lets at least get through the entire preseason before we pronounce judgement on the QBs.
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If Mitch starts game one of the season how durable will he be? All 16 games?
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Ghoolie is sooo right on this.
Passed on wentz last year, have a prototypical franchise QB from the Cleveland area that wants to play for his home team and we sign someone who doesn't want to be in the brown and orange and can't get off the bench because of a stubbed toe.
Another regretful 1st pick by next year's car salesman of the year.
These guys can't pick anything except their asses.
I believe Ghoolie last year said Paxton Lynch was the second coming and that dude can't beat out Trevor Siemian. That said I liked Trubisky as the top QB coming out this year and wasn't high on Kizer but its one preseason game and both guys played against 2nd and 3rd teamers. They both have a ways to go as neither played many snaps under center or huddled up in college. Lets at least get through the entire preseason before we pronounce judgement on the QBs.
I love logical posts. Ghoolie can throw shit at a wall (pick his fav QB every year) and if he's right every few years or so he's a god in his mind. Paxton Lynch lol.I believe Ghoolie last year said Paxton Lynch was the second coming and that dude can't beat out Trevor Siemian. That said I liked Trubisky as the top QB coming out this year and wasn't high on Kizer but its one preseason game and both guys played against 2nd and 3rd teamers. They both have a ways to go as neither played many snaps under center or huddled up in college. Lets at least get through the entire preseason before we pronounce judgement on the QBs.
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Its possible he could be a good QB. I thought it was a gigantic reach
Both are true statements.....not sure how many thought Trubs would suck, but its probably a low number. Just as few felt certain he'd be great. He might. But it was a gamble to find out.
But trubisky will be that guy, and when Haslem realizes his front office fucked that one up, they are all toast.
Pretty sure the Browns(including Haslam) had LONG, long, long and in depth discussions about Trubisky and still opted for Garrett. Dont think Jimmy had any aspersions as to what Trubs "could" become....
And, if Garrett plays up to expectations, this wont even be a discussion in Berea.....lots of players play above expectation, so Trubs would be one of many who just did better than the Browns thought he would.....dont think they'll lose much sleep over it....
And if Kizer is good.....then the Browns killed it....Mitch who?
for the sake of us browns fans I hope we nailed both, I just fear that other teams will neutralize garrett and make him look like a wasted pick. Since we are both in the 440, would hope you would wish sucess for both TrubisKY and Kizer, but I sense that you look down on us mentorite's and wish for failure out of the 44060. By the way, most experts said this was a bad year for QB's yet all the top 4 performed rather well in their first time out.Both are true statements.....not sure how many thought Trubs would suck, but its probably a low number. Just as few felt certain he'd be great. He might. But it was a gamble to find out.
Pretty sure the Browns(including Haslam) had LONG, long, long and in depth discussions about Trubisky and still opted for Garrett. Dont think Jimmy had any aspersions as to what Trubs "could" become....
And, if Garrett plays up to expectations, this wont even be a discussion in Berea.....lots of players play above expectation, so Trubs would be one of many who just did better than the Browns thought he would.....dont think they'll lose much sleep over it....
And if Kizer is good.....then the Browns killed it....Mitch who?
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My Oh Pinyan on this is wait three years and call me
Rationality is an underappreciated skill on the Browns Board. How dare you?
No kidding, The Gipper would never make thousands of comments on things that won't be settled for 3 years.Rationality is an underappreciated skill on the Browns Board. How dare you?
WSS
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No kidding, The Gipper would never make thousands of comments on things that won't be settled for 3 years.Rationality is an underappreciated skill on the Browns Board. How dare you?
WSS
No kidding, The Gipper would never make thousands of comments on things that won't be settled for 3 years.
WSS
And then he will probably appeal anything he doesn't win and he'll tie you up for years!
(Hey just kidding Gipper, I used to golf with a bunch of lawyers, I trust them....well most of them, one I'm related to I'd have to count every stroke!)
Gipper is right an awful lot here on sports and other matters.
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