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***Official Browns Vs. New York Giants Monday Night Football Preseason Game Night Thread***

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  • @bobpound said:

    As much as he isn't ready(I completely agree)... BUT he looks light years better than Brock.. Better to let him learn in the trenches.. He looks way more mobile than any of the other options.. And seeing as that our O line is like swiss cheese, whoever is unlucky enough to be back there, had better be able to run for their lives.. LOVED that throw, he has a fucking great arm.. He put it right on the money, just got tipped at the last second.

    I disagree. He doesn't look better than Brock and definitely not "light years" better. You throw this 21 year old kid into the fire and you ruin him, plain and simple.

    @atenears said:

    I disagree. He doesn't look better than Brock and definitely not "light years" better. You throw this 21 year old kid into the fire and you ruin him, plain and simple.

    Brock has 2-3 years experience against NFL defenses.   He is in-accurate as hell and can't move the offense.      Kiser is in his second preseason game and has trouble getting the team lined up.  His accuracy is better, arm is stronger and he can run.   Brock looks like a giraffe.

  • Nice mix of pass/run.. Finally getting them guessing.. I cannot understand how you can't see that Kizer's mechanics are light years ahead of Brocks.. He throws with confidence, has an NFL wind up. Is quick to make decisions...    He doesn't know the play book and looks like a deer in the headlights when things slow down.. But he seems to do well when things are moving quickly... We need to speed this Offence up I believe.. Maybe even go to a 2 minute drill early on and see what he can do.

  • First of hopefully many TD for Kizer on his feet.....   Personally a stupid risk I think...  But we are on the board.

  • Nice mix of pass/run.. Finally getting them guessing.. I cannot understand how you can't see that Kizer's mechanics are light years ahead of Brocks.. He throws with confidence, has an NFL wind up. Is quick to make decisions...    He doesn't know the play book and looks like a deer in the headlights when things slow down.. But he seems to do well when things are moving quickly... We need to speed this Offence up I believe.. Maybe even go to a 2 minute drill early on and see what he can do.

    @bobpound said:

    Nice mix of pass/run.. Finally getting them guessing.. I cannot understand how you can't see that Kizer's mechanics are light years ahead of Brocks.. He throws with confidence, has an NFL wind up. Is quick to make decisions...    He doesn't know the play book and looks like a deer in the headlights when things slow down.. But he seems to do well when things are moving quickly... We need to speed this Offence up I believe.. Maybe even go to a 2 minute drill early on and see what he can do.

    This.   Exactly, this.

  • Helps to have a big strong QB do the sneak.

  • Nice mix of pass/run.. Finally getting them guessing.. I cannot understand how you can't see that Kizer's mechanics are light years ahead of Brocks.. He throws with confidence, has an NFL wind up. Is quick to make decisions...    He doesn't know the play book and looks like a deer in the headlights when things slow down.. But he seems to do well when things are moving quickly... We need to speed this Offence up I believe.. Maybe even go to a 2 minute drill early on and see what he can do.

    @bobpound said:

    Nice mix of pass/run.. Finally getting them guessing.. I cannot understand how you can't see that Kizer's mechanics are light years ahead of Brocks.. He throws with confidence, has an NFL wind up. Is quick to make decisions...    He doesn't know the play book and looks like a deer in the headlights when things slow down.. But he seems to do well when things are moving quickly... We need to speed this Offence up I believe.. Maybe even go to a 2 minute drill early on and see what he can do.

    Quick to make decisions? 

  • This what I want to see become a Browns trademark. Defense shortens the field with a takeaway and Offense takes advantage.

  • @bobpound said:

    Nice mix of pass/run.. Finally getting them guessing.. I cannot understand how you can't see that Kizer's mechanics are light years ahead of Brocks.. He throws with confidence, has an NFL wind up. Is quick to make decisions...    He doesn't know the play book and looks like a deer in the headlights when things slow down.. But he seems to do well when things are moving quickly... We need to speed this Offence up I believe.. Maybe even go to a 2 minute drill early on and see what he can do.

    Quick to make decisions? 

    @atenears said:

    Quick to make decisions? 

    Not so much

  • @atenears said:

    Quick to make decisions? 

    Not so much

    @browns149 said:

    Not so much

    I am open to being wrong.. But for better or worse he executes faster.. That screen was completely sold on his fast movements.. He really sold it...   Even when he was sacked those two times, you could watch his head.. He was checking down... He just needs the clock in his head to say "bail out" when the count reaches 3.... Other than that, I think he is making good decisions so far.

  • @browns149 said:

    Not so much

    I am open to being wrong.. But for better or worse he executes faster.. That screen was completely sold on his fast movements.. He really sold it...   Even when he was sacked those two times, you could watch his head.. He was checking down... He just needs the clock in his head to say "bail out" when the count reaches 3.... Other than that, I think he is making good decisions so far.

    @bobpound said:

    I am open to being wrong.. But for better or worse he executes faster.. That screen was completely sold on his fast movements.. He really sold it...   Even when he was sacked those two times, you could watch his head.. He was checking down... He just needs the clock in his head to say "bail out" when the count reaches 3.... Other than that, I think he is making good decisions so far.

    The screen was well executed by all, although effective because the defense was pinning back their ears coming for the rookie. 

    The holding on the ball on third and long (and a few other plays) and the careless runs into collisions soured his first half performance for me. The timing and lack of getting his team lined up is what preseason is for, that's not that big of concern. 

    I just don't want to see another rookie burned in the fire.

  • It was a rice screen to the FB...a good catch and run....but he was totally useless on the previous play by running into a pile and basically blocking nobody.

    Myles was manhandled pretty well while he was out there.  Yes he got a sack at the end of the half but that's because he was completely block and got knocked to the outside by a blocker...and Gino Smith ran right into him.

    And everyone's talking about the hit on Beckman...but it's a legal hit.  Right?  The guy is not allowed to hit high.  So you have to go low.  Pretty soon they're not going to be able to hit the guy at all.

  • Defensive play was impressive as a team. Only saw two missed tackles for the half and last year it was often 2 per play.

  • @bobpound said:

    Nice mix of pass/run.. Finally getting them guessing.. I cannot understand how you can't see that Kizer's mechanics are light years ahead of Brocks.. He throws with confidence, has an NFL wind up. Is quick to make decisions...    He doesn't know the play book and looks like a deer in the headlights when things slow down.. But he seems to do well when things are moving quickly... We need to speed this Offence up I believe.. Maybe even go to a 2 minute drill early on and see what he can do.

    Quick to make decisions? 

    @atenears said:

    Quick to make decisions? 

    giants pulled some of there 1's & kizer looked better.. preseason 2, kids head & eyes are in right spot  

  • Brock 6-8, 25 yards, INT, 38.0

    Kizer 4-6, 40 yards, 85.4 + 3 runs for 21 & TD.   Sacked twice.    (In the first half.)

  • Before I could post, "he is locking onto receivers, expect a pick" ... he throws the pick (but reversed on a penalty on the Giants)

  • nor do we chucky

  • Who's the jackass calling a QB run?

    Freakin' stupid.

  • Better play calling. The screens are  needed to slow down the flood gates.

    Lets see if we can get them to sit back so we can take s shot down field. (Damn, took that shot while I was typing, again)

  • Geezuz Joseph & Mary.  Stop making the QB run the ball.  Fuckin' stupid jackass coach.

  • I complimented the play calling before that last I'll advised QB keeper.