Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp
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It is hard to discuss what was said.
Cribbs said we did. But what was actually said? We may have said we would look at it and he took that to mean we would do something about it. The language used in many cases is the key, and people have a tendency to hear what they want to hear in situations like this.
If we said we would look at it...maybe we have and he doesn't like the conclusion??
I don't know what was said so at this point I can't consider that unless something very definitive surfaces. All I can do is consider the facts as I see them, and right now it isn't much in favor of the course Cribbs and his agent have chosen.
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It is hard to discuss what was said.
Cribbs said we did. But what was actually said? We may have said we would look at it and he took that to mean we would do something about it. The language used in many cases is the key, and people have a tendency to hear what they want to hear in situations like this.
If we said we would look at it...maybe we have and he doesn't like the conclusion??
I don't know what was said so at this point I can't consider that unless something very definitive surfaces. All I can do is consider the facts as I see them, and right now it isn't much in favor of the course Cribbs and his agent have chosen.
It is hard to discuss what was said.
Cribbs said we did. But what was actually said? We may have said we would look at it and he took that to mean we would do something about it. The language used in many cases is the key, and people have a tendency to hear what they want to hear in situations like this.
If we said we would look at it...maybe we have and he doesn't like the conclusion??
I don't know what was said so at this point I can't consider that unless something very definitive surfaces. All I can do is consider the facts as I see them, and right now it isn't much in favor of the course Cribbs and his agent have chosen.
John Taylor cites 4 sources now saying that Savage and Crennel made promises to Cribbs. And other sources saying that Cribbs got a call from Lerner right after the Pitt game. Lerner isnt disputing what was said on the phone; he's saying the call was never made. He's calling Cribbs and Taylor's sources liars. To me, this isnt a great way to treat a hard working player.
As for the course Cribbs has chosen, all he is asking for is some incentives in his deal that would pay out if he gets used a lot on offense. Can somebody, ANYBODY, please tell me what problem you have with this? And please address this current situation. I find it hard to believe there will be a negative precedent set here. Are we really worried that we will have many future STers start taking snaps at QB/RB and ask for incentives to be added to his current contract? I find it hard to believe that's a big concern. This is a very unique situation.
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Who's Cribb's agent? And who else does he represent?
This may tell more!
I'm sticking with Mangini & Amber -
It is hard to discuss what was said.
Cribbs said we did. But what was actually said? We may have said we would look at it and he took that to mean we would do something about it. The language used in many cases is the key, and people have a tendency to hear what they want to hear in situations like this.
If we said we would look at it...maybe we have and he doesn't like the conclusion??
I don't know what was said so at this point I can't consider that unless something very definitive surfaces. All I can do is consider the facts as I see them, and right now it isn't much in favor of the course Cribbs and his agent have chosen.
John Taylor cites 4 sources now saying that Savage and Crennel made promises to Cribbs. And other sources saying that Cribbs got a call from Lerner right after the Pitt game. Lerner isnt disputing what was said on the phone; he's saying the call was never made. He's calling Cribbs and Taylor's sources liars. To me, this isnt a great way to treat a hard working player.
As for the course Cribbs has chosen, all he is asking for is some incentives in his deal that would pay out if he gets used a lot on offense. Can somebody, ANYBODY, please tell me what problem you have with this? And please address this current situation. I find it hard to believe there will be a negative precedent set here. Are we really worried that we will have many future STers start taking snaps at QB/RB and ask for incentives to be added to his current contract? I find it hard to believe that's a big concern. This is a very unique situation.
John Taylor cites 4 sources now saying that Savage and Crennel made promises to Cribbs. And other sources saying that Cribbs got a call from Lerner right after the Pitt game. Lerner isnt disputing what was said on the phone; he's saying the call was never made. He's calling Cribbs and Taylor's sources liars. To me, this isnt a great way to treat a hard working player.
As for the course Cribbs has chosen, all he is asking for is some incentives in his deal that would pay out if he gets used a lot on offense. Can somebody, ANYBODY, please tell me what problem you have with this? And please address this current situation. I find it hard to believe there will be a negative precedent set here. Are we really worried that we will have many future STers start taking snaps at QB/RB and ask for incentives to be added to his current contract? I find it hard to believe that's a big concern. This is a very unique situation.
Who's to say that his current contract doesn't includes money for extra playing time already? I don't think Mangini has any concrete plans for Cribbs anyways. He'll remain on special teams and be expected to continue his current role, I don't see Mangini inventing an offense tailored to Cribbs. Therefor a need for incentives isn't completely neccessary.
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Cleveland Browns' Josh Cribbs to ask for trade
if Browns won't budge
by By Mary Kay Cabot
Tuesday May 19, 2009, 10:56 AM
Browns receiver Josh Cribbs will definitely ask to be traded if the Browns tell him they won't re-do his contract, multiple sources close to the situation said Tuesday.
As expected, Cribbs did not show up for the first day of voluntary minicamp Tuesday because there's been no "meaningful dialogue'' yet on a new contract.
Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert, said the Browns told him they might be willing to open discussions Tuesday.
"We exchanged emails Monday night, but there were no proposals made or numbers discussed,'' said Rickert. "We need to have some substantial talks for Josh to show up.''
Cribbs has four years remaining on the six-year, $6.7 million extension he signed in November of 2006 with his previous agents. His base salaries over the next four years are $620,000, $635,000, $650,000 and $790,000. The starting point for Cribbs' side is Devin Hester's four-year, $40 million extension with $15 million guaranteed.
Rickert said he also has phone records to prove that Browns owner Randy Lerner told Cribbs and his representatives that Cribbs would receive a new deal this offseason. Lerner has said he made no such promise.
A source said Cribbs is upset the Browns are denying such statements were made. Cribbs' absence is significant, because he's slated for key roles at strong safety and nickel corner.
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So much for incentives- he is asking for alot more than incentives.
Bye Josh its been real.
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Who's Cribb's agent? And who else does he represent?
This may tell more!
Who's Cribb's agent? And who else does he represent?
This may tell more!
To answer my own question (Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert), his client list:
Robbie Agnone.............Tight End.......................Washington Redskins
Lorenzo Alexander........Off/Def ........................Lineman Washington Redskins
Brandon Archer ...........Linebacker ....................Washington Redskins
JJ Arrington..................Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux ........Defensive Back ..............Seattle Seahawks
Correll Buckhalter.........Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Greg Camarillo.............Receiver .......................Miami Dolphins
Jeremy Clark...............Defensive Lineman .........New York Giants
Joshua Cribbs............Receiver/Returner ........Cleveland Browns
Jason Davis.................Fullback Chicago ............Bears
Marlon Davis.............Offensive Guard ...........Cleveland Browns
Jermichael Finley........*Tight End .......................Green Bay Packers
Dashon Goldson..........*Safety San ....................Francisco 49ers
Letroy Guion...............Defensive Lineman ..........Minnesota Vikings
William Hayes.............Defensive End ................ Tennessee Titans
Kyries Hebert..............Safety ............................Cincinnati Bengals
Artis Hicks..................Offensive Lineman ............Minnesota Vikings
Jamaal Jackson...........Center .............................Philadelphia Eagles
Ellis Lankster...............Cornerback .....................Buffalo Bills
Cleo Lemon................Quarterback .....................Jacksonville Jaguars
Nate Livings................Offensive Lineman ............Cincinnati Bengals
Tom Malone................Punter .............................New England Patriots
Ryan McBean..............Defensive Lineman ...........Denver Broncos
Brandon McDonald.....Defensive Back .............Cleveland Browns
Billy McMullen..............Receiver ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Sam McNaulty.............Offensive Lineman .............New Orleans Saints
Cam Morrah................Tight End ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Terrence Nunn.............Receiver ..........................New England Patriots
Chris Ogbannaya.........Running Back ...................St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker...............Receiver ..........................Oakland Raiders
Mike Patterson..............Defensive Tackle ..............Philadelphia Eagles
LaJuan Ramsey...........*Defensive Lineman ...........Tennessee Titans
Stefan Rodgers.............Offensive Lineman ............Jacksonville Jaguars
Frostee Rucker..............Defensive End .................Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Thomas..............*Offensive Lineman ..........Cleveland Browns
Jonathan Wade.............Cornerback ......................St. Louis Rams
Daniel Wilcox................Tight End .........................Baltimore Ravens
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I think AGENTS see the Browns SAVED MONEY trading down and want the money.
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Who's Cribb's agent? And who else does he represent?
This may tell more!
To answer my own question (Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert), his client list:
Robbie Agnone.............Tight End.......................Washington Redskins
Lorenzo Alexander........Off/Def ........................Lineman Washington Redskins
Brandon Archer ...........Linebacker ....................Washington Redskins
JJ Arrington..................Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux ........Defensive Back ..............Seattle Seahawks
Correll Buckhalter.........Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Greg Camarillo.............Receiver .......................Miami Dolphins
Jeremy Clark...............Defensive Lineman .........New York Giants
Joshua Cribbs............Receiver/Returner ........Cleveland Browns
Jason Davis.................Fullback Chicago ............Bears
Marlon Davis.............Offensive Guard ...........Cleveland Browns
Jermichael Finley........*Tight End .......................Green Bay Packers
Dashon Goldson..........*Safety San ....................Francisco 49ers
Letroy Guion...............Defensive Lineman ..........Minnesota Vikings
William Hayes.............Defensive End ................ Tennessee Titans
Kyries Hebert..............Safety ............................Cincinnati Bengals
Artis Hicks..................Offensive Lineman ............Minnesota Vikings
Jamaal Jackson...........Center .............................Philadelphia Eagles
Ellis Lankster...............Cornerback .....................Buffalo Bills
Cleo Lemon................Quarterback .....................Jacksonville Jaguars
Nate Livings................Offensive Lineman ............Cincinnati Bengals
Tom Malone................Punter .............................New England Patriots
Ryan McBean..............Defensive Lineman ...........Denver Broncos
Brandon McDonald.....Defensive Back .............Cleveland Browns
Billy McMullen..............Receiver ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Sam McNaulty.............Offensive Lineman .............New Orleans Saints
Cam Morrah................Tight End ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Terrence Nunn.............Receiver ..........................New England Patriots
Chris Ogbannaya.........Running Back ...................St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker...............Receiver ..........................Oakland Raiders
Mike Patterson..............Defensive Tackle ..............Philadelphia Eagles
LaJuan Ramsey...........*Defensive Lineman ...........Tennessee Titans
Stefan Rodgers.............Offensive Lineman ............Jacksonville Jaguars
Frostee Rucker..............Defensive End .................Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Thomas..............*Offensive Lineman ..........Cleveland Browns
Jonathan Wade.............Cornerback ......................St. Louis Rams
Daniel Wilcox................Tight End .........................Baltimore Ravens
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I think AGENTS see the Browns SAVED MONEY trading down and want the money.
To answer my own question (Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert):
Robbie Agnone.............Tight End.......................Washington Redskins
Lorenzo Alexander........Off/Def ........................Lineman Washington Redskins
Brandon Archer ...........Linebacker ....................Washington Redskins
JJ Arrington..................Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux ........Defensive Back ..............Seattle Seahawks
Correll Buckhalter.........Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Greg Camarillo.............Receiver .......................Miami Dolphins
Jeremy Clark...............Defensive Lineman .........New York Giants
Joshua Cribbs............Receiver/Returner ........Cleveland Browns
Jason Davis.................Fullback Chicago ............Bears
Marlon Davis.............Offensive Guard ...........Cleveland Browns
Jermichael Finley........*Tight End .......................Green Bay Packers
Dashon Goldson..........*Safety San ....................Francisco 49ers
Letroy Guion...............Defensive Lineman ..........Minnesota Vikings
William Hayes.............Defensive End ................ Tennessee Titans
Kyries Hebert..............Safety ............................Cincinnati Bengals
Artis Hicks..................Offensive Lineman ............Minnesota Vikings
Jamaal Jackson...........Center .............................Philadelphia Eagles
Ellis Lankster...............Cornerback .....................Buffalo Bills
Cleo Lemon................Quarterback .....................Jacksonville Jaguars
Nate Livings................Offensive Lineman ............Cincinnati Bengals
Tom Malone................Punter .............................New England Patriots
Ryan McBean..............Defensive Lineman ...........Denver Broncos
Brandon McDonald.....Defensive Back .............Cleveland Browns
Billy McMullen..............Receiver ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Sam McNaulty.............Offensive Lineman .............New Orleans Saints
Cam Morrah................Tight End ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Terrence Nunn.............Receiver ..........................New England Patriots
Chris Ogbannaya.........Running Back ...................St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker...............Receiver ..........................Oakland Raiders
Mike Patterson..............Defensive Tackle ..............Philadelphia Eagles
LaJuan Ramsey...........*Defensive Lineman ...........Tennessee Titans
Stefan Rodgers.............Offensive Lineman ............Jacksonville Jaguars
Frostee Rucker..............Defensive End .................Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Thomas..............*Offensive Lineman ..........Cleveland Browns
Jonathan Wade.............Cornerback ......................St. Louis Rams
Daniel Wilcox................Tight End .........................Baltimore Ravens
Wow. His agent must be raking in the cash!!
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To answer my own question (Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert):
Robbie Agnone.............Tight End.......................Washington Redskins
Lorenzo Alexander........Off/Def ........................Lineman Washington Redskins
Brandon Archer ...........Linebacker ....................Washington Redskins
JJ Arrington..................Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux ........Defensive Back ..............Seattle Seahawks
Correll Buckhalter.........Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Greg Camarillo.............Receiver .......................Miami Dolphins
Jeremy Clark...............Defensive Lineman .........New York Giants
Joshua Cribbs............Receiver/Returner ........Cleveland Browns
Jason Davis.................Fullback Chicago ............Bears
Marlon Davis.............Offensive Guard ...........Cleveland Browns
Jermichael Finley........*Tight End .......................Green Bay Packers
Dashon Goldson..........*Safety San ....................Francisco 49ers
Letroy Guion...............Defensive Lineman ..........Minnesota Vikings
William Hayes.............Defensive End ................ Tennessee Titans
Kyries Hebert..............Safety ............................Cincinnati Bengals
Artis Hicks..................Offensive Lineman ............Minnesota Vikings
Jamaal Jackson...........Center .............................Philadelphia Eagles
Ellis Lankster...............Cornerback .....................Buffalo Bills
Cleo Lemon................Quarterback .....................Jacksonville Jaguars
Nate Livings................Offensive Lineman ............Cincinnati Bengals
Tom Malone................Punter .............................New England Patriots
Ryan McBean..............Defensive Lineman ...........Denver Broncos
Brandon McDonald.....Defensive Back .............Cleveland Browns
Billy McMullen..............Receiver ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Sam McNaulty.............Offensive Lineman .............New Orleans Saints
Cam Morrah................Tight End ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Terrence Nunn.............Receiver ..........................New England Patriots
Chris Ogbannaya.........Running Back ...................St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker...............Receiver ..........................Oakland Raiders
Mike Patterson..............Defensive Tackle ..............Philadelphia Eagles
LaJuan Ramsey...........*Defensive Lineman ...........Tennessee Titans
Stefan Rodgers.............Offensive Lineman ............Jacksonville Jaguars
Frostee Rucker..............Defensive End .................Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Thomas..............*Offensive Lineman ..........Cleveland Browns
Jonathan Wade.............Cornerback ......................St. Louis Rams
Daniel Wilcox................Tight End .........................Baltimore Ravens
Wow. His agent must be raking in the cash!!
Wow. His agent must be raking in the cash!!
I know, not many big names there but I brought it up so I posted it when I found it.
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Best case at this point would be that both sides are willing to negotiate and all of this is posturing for better leverage. I'm not used to seeing posturing going this far or getting this personal in only one day, and if I were Cribbs and I were telling the truth, it would take a lot of dough at this point to make me forget the tone of the team's public declarations - coming all the way from the top. This isn't Savage firing off a dumb email - the statement uses the owner's name and basically calls Cribbs a liar. Before getting too angry, though, Cribbs needs to realize that the length of his existing contract severely limits his leverage here. One of the only respectable things I've seen the Bengals do over the years was coming out and saying that Chad Johnson was under contract and wasn't going to be able to force his way into more money or out of town. These things usually end better for both sides when done amicably and behind closed doors.
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To answer my own question (Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert):
Robbie Agnone.............Tight End.......................Washington Redskins
Lorenzo Alexander........Off/Def ........................Lineman Washington Redskins
Brandon Archer ...........Linebacker ....................Washington Redskins
JJ Arrington..................Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux ........Defensive Back ..............Seattle Seahawks
Correll Buckhalter.........Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Greg Camarillo.............Receiver .......................Miami Dolphins
Jeremy Clark...............Defensive Lineman .........New York Giants
Joshua Cribbs............Receiver/Returner ........Cleveland Browns
Jason Davis.................Fullback Chicago ............Bears
Marlon Davis.............Offensive Guard ...........Cleveland Browns
Jermichael Finley........*Tight End .......................Green Bay Packers
Dashon Goldson..........*Safety San ....................Francisco 49ers
Letroy Guion...............Defensive Lineman ..........Minnesota Vikings
William Hayes.............Defensive End ................ Tennessee Titans
Kyries Hebert..............Safety ............................Cincinnati Bengals
Artis Hicks..................Offensive Lineman ............Minnesota Vikings
Jamaal Jackson...........Center .............................Philadelphia Eagles
Ellis Lankster...............Cornerback .....................Buffalo Bills
Cleo Lemon................Quarterback .....................Jacksonville Jaguars
Nate Livings................Offensive Lineman ............Cincinnati Bengals
Tom Malone................Punter .............................New England Patriots
Ryan McBean..............Defensive Lineman ...........Denver Broncos
Brandon McDonald.....Defensive Back .............Cleveland Browns
Billy McMullen..............Receiver ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Sam McNaulty.............Offensive Lineman .............New Orleans Saints
Cam Morrah................Tight End ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Terrence Nunn.............Receiver ..........................New England Patriots
Chris Ogbannaya.........Running Back ...................St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker...............Receiver ..........................Oakland Raiders
Mike Patterson..............Defensive Tackle ..............Philadelphia Eagles
LaJuan Ramsey...........*Defensive Lineman ...........Tennessee Titans
Stefan Rodgers.............Offensive Lineman ............Jacksonville Jaguars
Frostee Rucker..............Defensive End .................Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Thomas..............*Offensive Lineman ..........Cleveland Browns
Jonathan Wade.............Cornerback ......................St. Louis Rams
Daniel Wilcox................Tight End .........................Baltimore Ravens
Wow. His agent must be raking in the cash!!
Wow. His agent must be raking in the cash!!
But he isn't making any off of Josh unless Josh has hired him to perform personal services such as taxes or matters of the estate.
Most agents make the majority of their money from the amount of guaranteed money they negotiate for their client.
We will see what sort of proof he has.....taped conversation??
Either way, it doesn't matter. They see a NEW contract which I assume will be to include more signing bonus money.
We hold the cards. I would tell him we won't trade him under any circumstance if he holds out and are prepared to just put him on the shelf for the next 4 years if he decides to hold out that long.
The guy is beginning to remind me of Northcutt.
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As has already been mentioned, I'll start holding players' feet to the fire once people start doing the same for front offices who cut players halfway through a contract.
The new angle--Cribbs wanting to be traded--doesn't change that a bit. I don't see how players who demand to be traded if their contracts aren't reworked are substantially different from GM/owners who announce that while they'd really love to have the players back on the team--nod nod, wink wink--they're just not sure if they'll be able to keep them on the roster unless they restructure their contracts. For salary cap purposes, you see. In both cases, the agent/GM says the same thing: nice team you have here...sure would be a shame if something were to happen to it.
I don't like it when either side does it. But if one side can do it, the other side should be able to as well.
Dennis
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It's gotten out of hand, and it's only getting worse.
Cribbs is an amazing player, but this is a new regime, and you have to prove your worth all over again. If he wanted to hold out for money he should have done it last year.
I'm with Mangini and the Browns on this one. Cribbs signed that contract, and it wasn't a pretty one at all. He wanted security, because he wasn't sure how good he was going to be. It may have made some sense at the time, but 6 years? One year in, he wanted it redone. I have to say, that's bullshit. Especially for a guy who wasn't even drafted.
If the Browns want to stick it to him and trade him, that's fine. Giving him Devin Hester money is totally out of the question, and f--king Retarded of Cribbs to expect.
Hell, I'd just let him sit until he shows up.
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Hell, I'd just let him sit until he shows up.
LOL....we could mess with the guy if we wanted.
Issue a statement saying we like Josh and hope he returns to the Browns, but if he decides to sit out the next 4 years, we already feel like we got our money's worth out of him seeing how little we had invested in him.
Treat hold-outs like a terrorist..we don't negotiate with hold-outs could be another press release.
LOL.
Just having fun for those who think i am serious...we should always operate in good faith
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This is amazing to me. What does a player have to do to get any support from you guys?
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This is amazing to me. What does a player have to do to get any support from you guys?
This is amazing to me. What does a player have to do to get any support from you guys?
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This is amazing to me. What does a player have to do to get any support from you guys?
superbowl
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Cribbs takes the blame for not winning a SB? Not the team owner that is on his 5th HC in less than a decade?
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@shepwrite said:
By the way, he was #16 in average yards per kickoff and #17 in average yards per punt. I just don't think he's doing himself any good going for the money now instead of after this season.dude...you didn't hear?
he's our 2nd most important player.....
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Cribbs takes the blame for not winning a SB? Not the team owner that is on his 5th HC in less than a decade?
Cribbs takes the blame for not winning a SB? Not the team owner that is on his 5th HC in less than a decade?
Come on Tupa, if he wants incentives i could see it through. If he wants to throw out the old contract then no way. Cribbs has been a bright spot for many fans, but this won't endeer him to many more. Realistically he is just a special teams player that the fans have alot of dreams for. I think the real riff is going to be the he said she said bs about a phone call that did or di not happen.
I would like him back but at this point i want people who want to play just to make up for the shitfest of last year, you go 4-12 and thinks its time to ask for more cash. Not good business and bad luck for JC
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