Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp
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@shepwrite said:
I hate this kind of stuff. Lerner directly told OBR he never had any kind of conversation with Cribbs about his contract, last year, this year... ever. Cribbs' agent says his client insists it happened. Sounds ugly.Cribbs didn't have a huge year last year, not like 2007. It's the wrong time, in my opinion. I'd play this season under the new regime before I paint them into a corner.
Mangini has made it very, very clear that he regards Cribbs very highly. He'd like to find ways to let him put that value to work more on offense and/or defense. THEN he gets paid, if you ask me.
Unless he gets injured playing positions he isnt being paid to play. Or unless management cant see why he should make more in 2010 for doing the same thing he did in 2009. Or unless he takes your advice and takes the high road for a 3rd year in a row and gets screwed for the 3rd year in a row.
Unless he gets injured playing positions he isnt being paid to play. Or unless management cant see why he should make more in 2010 for doing the same thing he did in 2009. Or unless he takes your advice and takes the high road for a 3rd year in a row and gets screwed for the 3rd year in a row.
Part of the deal Tom.
Earlier you said this...
The alternative is that the money goes to Randy Lerner. Is that your concern? Are you worried about Lerner's wallet?
I agree with that. It doesn't really matter what we pay him as long as it fits into the cap.
However, I think it bad precedent for teams to keep redoing a players contract. It emboldens other players to think they can do the same.
I am all for fair, and as said earlier, I usually side with players in this sort of deal and do think Cribbs should be paid more. But again, he was pretty happy when we did the last one with no complaints.
My solution would be to amend the current contract to include reasonable, attainable incentives, assuming such provisions are allowed under the current contract..I wouldn't be very agreeable to any more signing bonus money.
He is unhappy with his pay schedule. I would keep it at that. No mention of being unhappy with his signing bonus was made.
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All this talk about cribbs playing here playing there and how they should utilize his talent is a bit much.
Stand back and look at the big picture. Undrafted to a special team phenom. We've seen flashes of brillance at other spots but to commit to him finacially as a full time player seems a bit much when he's never seen time as a full time players since college.
Its not like he playing for free now. I think one more year before you make demands. Did Lerner promise him? Remember this, Cribbs may be a great player but he'll never be confused with a rocket scientist.
All this talk about cribbs playing here playing there and how they should utilize his talent is a bit much.
Stand back and look at the big picture. Undrafted to a special team phenom. We've seen flashes of brillance at other spots but to commit to him finacially as a full time player seems a bit much when he's never seen time as a full time players since college.
Its not like he playing for free now. I think one more year before you make demands. Did Lerner promise him? Remember this, Cribbs may be a great player but he'll never be confused with a rocket scientist.
For the nth time, we arent talking about committing to him financially and then seeing him not make an impact. We are talking about adding incentives to his contract that would kick in IF he became more of a full-time player. Does anyone have a problem with this or are we going to just keep opposing fictional demands for guaranteed money?
He says Lerner called him on the phone. Lerner said he didnt call him on the phone. We arent talking about a misunderstanding. This is whether or not he ever got a phone call. I'm not a rocket scientist either, but I can usually tell who I'm talking to. Cribbs' agents also say that they have cell records to back him up and that he made several calls right after getting off the phone with Lerner to let his agents and financial people know that Lerner had made promises to him.
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Unless he gets injured playing positions he isnt being paid to play. Or unless management cant see why he should make more in 2010 for doing the same thing he did in 2009. Or unless he takes your advice and takes the high road for a 3rd year in a row and gets screwed for the 3rd year in a row.
Part of the deal Tom.
Earlier you said this...
The alternative is that the money goes to Randy Lerner. Is that your concern? Are you worried about Lerner's wallet?
I agree with that. It doesn't really matter what we pay him as long as it fits into the cap.
However, I think it bad precedent for teams to keep redoing a players contract. It emboldens other players to think they can do the same.
I am all for fair, and as said earlier, I usually side with players in this sort of deal and do think Cribbs should be paid more. But again, he was pretty happy when we did the last one with no complaints.
My solution would be to amend the current contract to include reasonable, attainable incentives, assuming such provisions are allowed under the current contract..I wouldn't be very agreeable to any more signing bonus money.
He is unhappy with his pay schedule. I would keep it at that. No mention of being unhappy with his signing bonus was made.
Part of the deal Tom.
Earlier you said this...
I agree with that. It doesn't really matter what we pay him as long as it fits into the cap.
However, I think it bad precedent for teams to keep redoing a players contract. It emboldens other players to think they can do the same.
I am all for fair, and as said earlier, I usually side with players in this sort of deal and do think Cribbs should be paid more. But again, he was pretty happy when we did the last one with no complaints.
My solution would be to amend the current contract to include reasonable, attainable incentives, assuming such provisions are allowed under the current contract..I wouldn't be very agreeable to any more signing bonus money.
He is unhappy with his pay schedule. I would keep it at that. No mention of being unhappy with his signing bonus was made.
As far as I've seen, that's all he's asking for, and the Browns are offering him nothing.
As for the precedent, how about the precedent of making promises to your players, backing out of them, and then denying they were ever made? It's possible that Cribbs is the one lying, but it would be a pretty elaborate set-up considering how consistent his comments have been since Hester got his deal.
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All this talk about cribbs playing here playing there and how they should utilize his talent is a bit much.
Stand back and look at the big picture. Undrafted to a special team phenom. We've seen flashes of brillance at other spots but to commit to him finacially as a full time player seems a bit much when he's never seen time as a full time players since college.
Its not like he playing for free now. I think one more year before you make demands. Did Lerner promise him? Remember this, Cribbs may be a great player but he'll never be confused with a rocket scientist.
For the nth time, we arent talking about committing to him financially and then seeing him not make an impact. We are talking about adding incentives to his contract that would kick in IF he became more of a full-time player. Does anyone have a problem with this or are we going to just keep opposing fictional demands for guaranteed money?
He says Lerner called him on the phone. Lerner said he didnt call him on the phone. We arent talking about a misunderstanding. This is whether or not he ever got a phone call. I'm not a rocket scientist either, but I can usually tell who I'm talking to. Cribbs' agents also say that they have cell records to back him up and that he made several calls right after getting off the phone with Lerner to let his agents and financial people know that Lerner had made promises to him.
For the nth time, we arent talking about committing to him financially and then seeing him not make an impact. We are talking about adding incentives to his contract that would kick in IF he became more of a full-time player. Does anyone have a problem with this or are we going to just keep opposing fictional demands for guaranteed money?
He says Lerner called him on the phone. Lerner said he didnt call him on the phone. We arent talking about a misunderstanding. This is whether or not he ever got a phone call. I'm not a rocket scientist either, but I can usually tell who I'm talking to. Cribbs' agents also say that they have cell records to back him up and that he made several calls right after getting off the phone with Lerner to let his agents and financial people know that Lerner had made promises to him.
You can add incentives, I call Lerner and had it approved. I have cell phone records to prove it.
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He's a dime-a-dozen, have we released him yet?
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It is hard to discuss what was said.
Cribbs said we did. But what was actually said? We may have said we would look at it and he took that to mean we would do something about it. The language used in many cases is the key, and people have a tendency to hear what they want to hear in situations like this.
If we said we would look at it...maybe we have and he doesn't like the conclusion??
I don't know what was said so at this point I can't consider that unless something very definitive surfaces. All I can do is consider the facts as I see them, and right now it isn't much in favor of the course Cribbs and his agent have chosen.
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It is hard to discuss what was said.
Cribbs said we did. But what was actually said? We may have said we would look at it and he took that to mean we would do something about it. The language used in many cases is the key, and people have a tendency to hear what they want to hear in situations like this.
If we said we would look at it...maybe we have and he doesn't like the conclusion??
I don't know what was said so at this point I can't consider that unless something very definitive surfaces. All I can do is consider the facts as I see them, and right now it isn't much in favor of the course Cribbs and his agent have chosen.
It is hard to discuss what was said.
Cribbs said we did. But what was actually said? We may have said we would look at it and he took that to mean we would do something about it. The language used in many cases is the key, and people have a tendency to hear what they want to hear in situations like this.
If we said we would look at it...maybe we have and he doesn't like the conclusion??
I don't know what was said so at this point I can't consider that unless something very definitive surfaces. All I can do is consider the facts as I see them, and right now it isn't much in favor of the course Cribbs and his agent have chosen.
John Taylor cites 4 sources now saying that Savage and Crennel made promises to Cribbs. And other sources saying that Cribbs got a call from Lerner right after the Pitt game. Lerner isnt disputing what was said on the phone; he's saying the call was never made. He's calling Cribbs and Taylor's sources liars. To me, this isnt a great way to treat a hard working player.
As for the course Cribbs has chosen, all he is asking for is some incentives in his deal that would pay out if he gets used a lot on offense. Can somebody, ANYBODY, please tell me what problem you have with this? And please address this current situation. I find it hard to believe there will be a negative precedent set here. Are we really worried that we will have many future STers start taking snaps at QB/RB and ask for incentives to be added to his current contract? I find it hard to believe that's a big concern. This is a very unique situation.
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Who's Cribb's agent? And who else does he represent?
This may tell more!
I'm sticking with Mangini & Amber -
It is hard to discuss what was said.
Cribbs said we did. But what was actually said? We may have said we would look at it and he took that to mean we would do something about it. The language used in many cases is the key, and people have a tendency to hear what they want to hear in situations like this.
If we said we would look at it...maybe we have and he doesn't like the conclusion??
I don't know what was said so at this point I can't consider that unless something very definitive surfaces. All I can do is consider the facts as I see them, and right now it isn't much in favor of the course Cribbs and his agent have chosen.
John Taylor cites 4 sources now saying that Savage and Crennel made promises to Cribbs. And other sources saying that Cribbs got a call from Lerner right after the Pitt game. Lerner isnt disputing what was said on the phone; he's saying the call was never made. He's calling Cribbs and Taylor's sources liars. To me, this isnt a great way to treat a hard working player.
As for the course Cribbs has chosen, all he is asking for is some incentives in his deal that would pay out if he gets used a lot on offense. Can somebody, ANYBODY, please tell me what problem you have with this? And please address this current situation. I find it hard to believe there will be a negative precedent set here. Are we really worried that we will have many future STers start taking snaps at QB/RB and ask for incentives to be added to his current contract? I find it hard to believe that's a big concern. This is a very unique situation.
John Taylor cites 4 sources now saying that Savage and Crennel made promises to Cribbs. And other sources saying that Cribbs got a call from Lerner right after the Pitt game. Lerner isnt disputing what was said on the phone; he's saying the call was never made. He's calling Cribbs and Taylor's sources liars. To me, this isnt a great way to treat a hard working player.
As for the course Cribbs has chosen, all he is asking for is some incentives in his deal that would pay out if he gets used a lot on offense. Can somebody, ANYBODY, please tell me what problem you have with this? And please address this current situation. I find it hard to believe there will be a negative precedent set here. Are we really worried that we will have many future STers start taking snaps at QB/RB and ask for incentives to be added to his current contract? I find it hard to believe that's a big concern. This is a very unique situation.
Who's to say that his current contract doesn't includes money for extra playing time already? I don't think Mangini has any concrete plans for Cribbs anyways. He'll remain on special teams and be expected to continue his current role, I don't see Mangini inventing an offense tailored to Cribbs. Therefor a need for incentives isn't completely neccessary.
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Cleveland Browns' Josh Cribbs to ask for trade
if Browns won't budge
by By Mary Kay Cabot
Tuesday May 19, 2009, 10:56 AM
Browns receiver Josh Cribbs will definitely ask to be traded if the Browns tell him they won't re-do his contract, multiple sources close to the situation said Tuesday.
As expected, Cribbs did not show up for the first day of voluntary minicamp Tuesday because there's been no "meaningful dialogue'' yet on a new contract.
Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert, said the Browns told him they might be willing to open discussions Tuesday.
"We exchanged emails Monday night, but there were no proposals made or numbers discussed,'' said Rickert. "We need to have some substantial talks for Josh to show up.''
Cribbs has four years remaining on the six-year, $6.7 million extension he signed in November of 2006 with his previous agents. His base salaries over the next four years are $620,000, $635,000, $650,000 and $790,000. The starting point for Cribbs' side is Devin Hester's four-year, $40 million extension with $15 million guaranteed.
Rickert said he also has phone records to prove that Browns owner Randy Lerner told Cribbs and his representatives that Cribbs would receive a new deal this offseason. Lerner has said he made no such promise.
A source said Cribbs is upset the Browns are denying such statements were made. Cribbs' absence is significant, because he's slated for key roles at strong safety and nickel corner.
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So much for incentives- he is asking for alot more than incentives.
Bye Josh its been real.
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Who's Cribb's agent? And who else does he represent?
This may tell more!
Who's Cribb's agent? And who else does he represent?
This may tell more!
To answer my own question (Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert), his client list:
Robbie Agnone.............Tight End.......................Washington Redskins
Lorenzo Alexander........Off/Def ........................Lineman Washington Redskins
Brandon Archer ...........Linebacker ....................Washington Redskins
JJ Arrington..................Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux ........Defensive Back ..............Seattle Seahawks
Correll Buckhalter.........Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Greg Camarillo.............Receiver .......................Miami Dolphins
Jeremy Clark...............Defensive Lineman .........New York Giants
Joshua Cribbs............Receiver/Returner ........Cleveland Browns
Jason Davis.................Fullback Chicago ............Bears
Marlon Davis.............Offensive Guard ...........Cleveland Browns
Jermichael Finley........*Tight End .......................Green Bay Packers
Dashon Goldson..........*Safety San ....................Francisco 49ers
Letroy Guion...............Defensive Lineman ..........Minnesota Vikings
William Hayes.............Defensive End ................ Tennessee Titans
Kyries Hebert..............Safety ............................Cincinnati Bengals
Artis Hicks..................Offensive Lineman ............Minnesota Vikings
Jamaal Jackson...........Center .............................Philadelphia Eagles
Ellis Lankster...............Cornerback .....................Buffalo Bills
Cleo Lemon................Quarterback .....................Jacksonville Jaguars
Nate Livings................Offensive Lineman ............Cincinnati Bengals
Tom Malone................Punter .............................New England Patriots
Ryan McBean..............Defensive Lineman ...........Denver Broncos
Brandon McDonald.....Defensive Back .............Cleveland Browns
Billy McMullen..............Receiver ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Sam McNaulty.............Offensive Lineman .............New Orleans Saints
Cam Morrah................Tight End ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Terrence Nunn.............Receiver ..........................New England Patriots
Chris Ogbannaya.........Running Back ...................St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker...............Receiver ..........................Oakland Raiders
Mike Patterson..............Defensive Tackle ..............Philadelphia Eagles
LaJuan Ramsey...........*Defensive Lineman ...........Tennessee Titans
Stefan Rodgers.............Offensive Lineman ............Jacksonville Jaguars
Frostee Rucker..............Defensive End .................Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Thomas..............*Offensive Lineman ..........Cleveland Browns
Jonathan Wade.............Cornerback ......................St. Louis Rams
Daniel Wilcox................Tight End .........................Baltimore Ravens
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I think AGENTS see the Browns SAVED MONEY trading down and want the money.
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Who's Cribb's agent? And who else does he represent?
This may tell more!
To answer my own question (Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert), his client list:
Robbie Agnone.............Tight End.......................Washington Redskins
Lorenzo Alexander........Off/Def ........................Lineman Washington Redskins
Brandon Archer ...........Linebacker ....................Washington Redskins
JJ Arrington..................Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux ........Defensive Back ..............Seattle Seahawks
Correll Buckhalter.........Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Greg Camarillo.............Receiver .......................Miami Dolphins
Jeremy Clark...............Defensive Lineman .........New York Giants
Joshua Cribbs............Receiver/Returner ........Cleveland Browns
Jason Davis.................Fullback Chicago ............Bears
Marlon Davis.............Offensive Guard ...........Cleveland Browns
Jermichael Finley........*Tight End .......................Green Bay Packers
Dashon Goldson..........*Safety San ....................Francisco 49ers
Letroy Guion...............Defensive Lineman ..........Minnesota Vikings
William Hayes.............Defensive End ................ Tennessee Titans
Kyries Hebert..............Safety ............................Cincinnati Bengals
Artis Hicks..................Offensive Lineman ............Minnesota Vikings
Jamaal Jackson...........Center .............................Philadelphia Eagles
Ellis Lankster...............Cornerback .....................Buffalo Bills
Cleo Lemon................Quarterback .....................Jacksonville Jaguars
Nate Livings................Offensive Lineman ............Cincinnati Bengals
Tom Malone................Punter .............................New England Patriots
Ryan McBean..............Defensive Lineman ...........Denver Broncos
Brandon McDonald.....Defensive Back .............Cleveland Browns
Billy McMullen..............Receiver ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Sam McNaulty.............Offensive Lineman .............New Orleans Saints
Cam Morrah................Tight End ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Terrence Nunn.............Receiver ..........................New England Patriots
Chris Ogbannaya.........Running Back ...................St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker...............Receiver ..........................Oakland Raiders
Mike Patterson..............Defensive Tackle ..............Philadelphia Eagles
LaJuan Ramsey...........*Defensive Lineman ...........Tennessee Titans
Stefan Rodgers.............Offensive Lineman ............Jacksonville Jaguars
Frostee Rucker..............Defensive End .................Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Thomas..............*Offensive Lineman ..........Cleveland Browns
Jonathan Wade.............Cornerback ......................St. Louis Rams
Daniel Wilcox................Tight End .........................Baltimore Ravens
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I think AGENTS see the Browns SAVED MONEY trading down and want the money.
To answer my own question (Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert):
Robbie Agnone.............Tight End.......................Washington Redskins
Lorenzo Alexander........Off/Def ........................Lineman Washington Redskins
Brandon Archer ...........Linebacker ....................Washington Redskins
JJ Arrington..................Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux ........Defensive Back ..............Seattle Seahawks
Correll Buckhalter.........Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Greg Camarillo.............Receiver .......................Miami Dolphins
Jeremy Clark...............Defensive Lineman .........New York Giants
Joshua Cribbs............Receiver/Returner ........Cleveland Browns
Jason Davis.................Fullback Chicago ............Bears
Marlon Davis.............Offensive Guard ...........Cleveland Browns
Jermichael Finley........*Tight End .......................Green Bay Packers
Dashon Goldson..........*Safety San ....................Francisco 49ers
Letroy Guion...............Defensive Lineman ..........Minnesota Vikings
William Hayes.............Defensive End ................ Tennessee Titans
Kyries Hebert..............Safety ............................Cincinnati Bengals
Artis Hicks..................Offensive Lineman ............Minnesota Vikings
Jamaal Jackson...........Center .............................Philadelphia Eagles
Ellis Lankster...............Cornerback .....................Buffalo Bills
Cleo Lemon................Quarterback .....................Jacksonville Jaguars
Nate Livings................Offensive Lineman ............Cincinnati Bengals
Tom Malone................Punter .............................New England Patriots
Ryan McBean..............Defensive Lineman ...........Denver Broncos
Brandon McDonald.....Defensive Back .............Cleveland Browns
Billy McMullen..............Receiver ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Sam McNaulty.............Offensive Lineman .............New Orleans Saints
Cam Morrah................Tight End ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Terrence Nunn.............Receiver ..........................New England Patriots
Chris Ogbannaya.........Running Back ...................St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker...............Receiver ..........................Oakland Raiders
Mike Patterson..............Defensive Tackle ..............Philadelphia Eagles
LaJuan Ramsey...........*Defensive Lineman ...........Tennessee Titans
Stefan Rodgers.............Offensive Lineman ............Jacksonville Jaguars
Frostee Rucker..............Defensive End .................Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Thomas..............*Offensive Lineman ..........Cleveland Browns
Jonathan Wade.............Cornerback ......................St. Louis Rams
Daniel Wilcox................Tight End .........................Baltimore Ravens
Wow. His agent must be raking in the cash!!
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To answer my own question (Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert):
Robbie Agnone.............Tight End.......................Washington Redskins
Lorenzo Alexander........Off/Def ........................Lineman Washington Redskins
Brandon Archer ...........Linebacker ....................Washington Redskins
JJ Arrington..................Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux ........Defensive Back ..............Seattle Seahawks
Correll Buckhalter.........Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Greg Camarillo.............Receiver .......................Miami Dolphins
Jeremy Clark...............Defensive Lineman .........New York Giants
Joshua Cribbs............Receiver/Returner ........Cleveland Browns
Jason Davis.................Fullback Chicago ............Bears
Marlon Davis.............Offensive Guard ...........Cleveland Browns
Jermichael Finley........*Tight End .......................Green Bay Packers
Dashon Goldson..........*Safety San ....................Francisco 49ers
Letroy Guion...............Defensive Lineman ..........Minnesota Vikings
William Hayes.............Defensive End ................ Tennessee Titans
Kyries Hebert..............Safety ............................Cincinnati Bengals
Artis Hicks..................Offensive Lineman ............Minnesota Vikings
Jamaal Jackson...........Center .............................Philadelphia Eagles
Ellis Lankster...............Cornerback .....................Buffalo Bills
Cleo Lemon................Quarterback .....................Jacksonville Jaguars
Nate Livings................Offensive Lineman ............Cincinnati Bengals
Tom Malone................Punter .............................New England Patriots
Ryan McBean..............Defensive Lineman ...........Denver Broncos
Brandon McDonald.....Defensive Back .............Cleveland Browns
Billy McMullen..............Receiver ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Sam McNaulty.............Offensive Lineman .............New Orleans Saints
Cam Morrah................Tight End ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Terrence Nunn.............Receiver ..........................New England Patriots
Chris Ogbannaya.........Running Back ...................St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker...............Receiver ..........................Oakland Raiders
Mike Patterson..............Defensive Tackle ..............Philadelphia Eagles
LaJuan Ramsey...........*Defensive Lineman ...........Tennessee Titans
Stefan Rodgers.............Offensive Lineman ............Jacksonville Jaguars
Frostee Rucker..............Defensive End .................Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Thomas..............*Offensive Lineman ..........Cleveland Browns
Jonathan Wade.............Cornerback ......................St. Louis Rams
Daniel Wilcox................Tight End .........................Baltimore Ravens
Wow. His agent must be raking in the cash!!
Wow. His agent must be raking in the cash!!
I know, not many big names there but I brought it up so I posted it when I found it.
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Best case at this point would be that both sides are willing to negotiate and all of this is posturing for better leverage. I'm not used to seeing posturing going this far or getting this personal in only one day, and if I were Cribbs and I were telling the truth, it would take a lot of dough at this point to make me forget the tone of the team's public declarations - coming all the way from the top. This isn't Savage firing off a dumb email - the statement uses the owner's name and basically calls Cribbs a liar. Before getting too angry, though, Cribbs needs to realize that the length of his existing contract severely limits his leverage here. One of the only respectable things I've seen the Bengals do over the years was coming out and saying that Chad Johnson was under contract and wasn't going to be able to force his way into more money or out of town. These things usually end better for both sides when done amicably and behind closed doors.
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To answer my own question (Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert):
Robbie Agnone.............Tight End.......................Washington Redskins
Lorenzo Alexander........Off/Def ........................Lineman Washington Redskins
Brandon Archer ...........Linebacker ....................Washington Redskins
JJ Arrington..................Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux ........Defensive Back ..............Seattle Seahawks
Correll Buckhalter.........Running Back ................Denver Broncos
Greg Camarillo.............Receiver .......................Miami Dolphins
Jeremy Clark...............Defensive Lineman .........New York Giants
Joshua Cribbs............Receiver/Returner ........Cleveland Browns
Jason Davis.................Fullback Chicago ............Bears
Marlon Davis.............Offensive Guard ...........Cleveland Browns
Jermichael Finley........*Tight End .......................Green Bay Packers
Dashon Goldson..........*Safety San ....................Francisco 49ers
Letroy Guion...............Defensive Lineman ..........Minnesota Vikings
William Hayes.............Defensive End ................ Tennessee Titans
Kyries Hebert..............Safety ............................Cincinnati Bengals
Artis Hicks..................Offensive Lineman ............Minnesota Vikings
Jamaal Jackson...........Center .............................Philadelphia Eagles
Ellis Lankster...............Cornerback .....................Buffalo Bills
Cleo Lemon................Quarterback .....................Jacksonville Jaguars
Nate Livings................Offensive Lineman ............Cincinnati Bengals
Tom Malone................Punter .............................New England Patriots
Ryan McBean..............Defensive Lineman ...........Denver Broncos
Brandon McDonald.....Defensive Back .............Cleveland Browns
Billy McMullen..............Receiver ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Sam McNaulty.............Offensive Lineman .............New Orleans Saints
Cam Morrah................Tight End ..........................Seattle Seahawks
Terrence Nunn.............Receiver ..........................New England Patriots
Chris Ogbannaya.........Running Back ...................St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker...............Receiver ..........................Oakland Raiders
Mike Patterson..............Defensive Tackle ..............Philadelphia Eagles
LaJuan Ramsey...........*Defensive Lineman ...........Tennessee Titans
Stefan Rodgers.............Offensive Lineman ............Jacksonville Jaguars
Frostee Rucker..............Defensive End .................Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Thomas..............*Offensive Lineman ..........Cleveland Browns
Jonathan Wade.............Cornerback ......................St. Louis Rams
Daniel Wilcox................Tight End .........................Baltimore Ravens
Wow. His agent must be raking in the cash!!
Wow. His agent must be raking in the cash!!
But he isn't making any off of Josh unless Josh has hired him to perform personal services such as taxes or matters of the estate.
Most agents make the majority of their money from the amount of guaranteed money they negotiate for their client.
We will see what sort of proof he has.....taped conversation??
Either way, it doesn't matter. They see a NEW contract which I assume will be to include more signing bonus money.
We hold the cards. I would tell him we won't trade him under any circumstance if he holds out and are prepared to just put him on the shelf for the next 4 years if he decides to hold out that long.
The guy is beginning to remind me of Northcutt.
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As has already been mentioned, I'll start holding players' feet to the fire once people start doing the same for front offices who cut players halfway through a contract.
The new angle--Cribbs wanting to be traded--doesn't change that a bit. I don't see how players who demand to be traded if their contracts aren't reworked are substantially different from GM/owners who announce that while they'd really love to have the players back on the team--nod nod, wink wink--they're just not sure if they'll be able to keep them on the roster unless they restructure their contracts. For salary cap purposes, you see. In both cases, the agent/GM says the same thing: nice team you have here...sure would be a shame if something were to happen to it.
I don't like it when either side does it. But if one side can do it, the other side should be able to as well.
Dennis
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It's gotten out of hand, and it's only getting worse.
Cribbs is an amazing player, but this is a new regime, and you have to prove your worth all over again. If he wanted to hold out for money he should have done it last year.
I'm with Mangini and the Browns on this one. Cribbs signed that contract, and it wasn't a pretty one at all. He wanted security, because he wasn't sure how good he was going to be. It may have made some sense at the time, but 6 years? One year in, he wanted it redone. I have to say, that's bullshit. Especially for a guy who wasn't even drafted.
If the Browns want to stick it to him and trade him, that's fine. Giving him Devin Hester money is totally out of the question, and f--king Retarded of Cribbs to expect.
Hell, I'd just let him sit until he shows up.
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Hell, I'd just let him sit until he shows up.
LOL....we could mess with the guy if we wanted.
Issue a statement saying we like Josh and hope he returns to the Browns, but if he decides to sit out the next 4 years, we already feel like we got our money's worth out of him seeing how little we had invested in him.
Treat hold-outs like a terrorist..we don't negotiate with hold-outs could be another press release.
LOL.
Just having fun for those who think i am serious...we should always operate in good faith
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