11 Browns protest
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That you are more mad at those who are offended in response than those with the original offense (the protesting players). Don't act like you're neutral.
I'm not mad at any of them. I'm tired of the crying from both sides as I've illustrated. The Kaep supporters and the fans for their equally bitchy response.
I'm not mad at any of them. I'm tired of the crying from both sides as I've illustrated. The Kaep supporters and the fans for their equally bitchy response.
And what about Kaep himself?
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I don't know if anyone has made this point, if so sorry to repeat but if the new coach lets his team know that he'd appreciate it if they would be cool and 11 12 or 13 of them basically tell him to go fuck himself that's probably not a positive indicator of respect. We shall see how it plays out.
WSS
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And what about Kaep himself?
He's too non descript, uses overly vague and generalized language for me to support him. His message is to raise awareness of racial injustice. Be specific on the cases you've seen, concrete happenings and a course of dialogue. I don't think he's as over the top whiny as half the cronies that follow or oppose him. However after his choice of sock fiasco I simply can't take his stance seriously. You cannot claim to be viewed as wanting positive change while re-enforcing prejudice and negative stereotypes.
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That's low, Jared. Come on.
In what way? It's true.
Thats not saying everyone in the armed services falls under that umbrella but there certainly is a increasingly large percentage of enlisted men who fall into that population nowadays. The armed services and law enforcement have been preying on students for decades because they needed boots on the ground. They offer signing bonuses and free education to entice many of those who could not have afforded it otherwise.
The proportion of enlisted men who began their service because of patriotism is much lower than it was in previous generations. It's not like it was in the mid 20th century.
It's sad but true.
These professions (both armed services and law enforcement) have become fallbacks for many young men and women and that's diluting the water and giving a bad name to people who are 1) qualified and 2) passionate about it.
First hand example - in my high school, army recruiters administered the ASVAB to students. It was mandatory for all students except those in IB/AP programs, who (I shit you not) needed that time to "study for finals".
The men who serve out of patriotism and love for this country's ideals are far less likely to be chastising her inhabitants for exercising their rights than those who did it because they were forced to.
EDIT: Not everything I say is a personal
attack against a poster. Mik and I disagree and snipe from time to time but I wouldn't stoop that low to call him out like that.
Also Kizer is the starter this week, just got the notification.
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This seems to be creating a lot of assumptions and overreactions.
This is why l am weary of journalists. Oh look, this photograph will light up my twitter account. Well done journalist.
But what other information has come out about this? What exactly do we know?
We have a picture of a mixed group of Browns players who, unless they are total dumbasses, know they are stirring the pot. I see defense, offense, and special teams represented, and l see both black and white players.
Why are they stirring the pot? What statement are they trying to make? What exactly, if anything, are they protesting?
Isn't the point of protesting to draw attention to something that you would like to see changed? What exactly is it that they would like to see changed?
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Jesus Christ.. They took a knee..
It's not like they pulled down their pants and took a shit on the American flag.. Who cares?
i do.
until you've put a uniform on and defended these millionaires to turn their back on the basis/history of this UNITED STATES....shut the fuck up.
oh, and who are they gonna call when they get car jacked? their home gets broken into? it ain't tyrone. dumbasses. 2 faced hypocritical bitches.
i do.
until you've put a uniform on and defended these millionaires to turn their back on the basis/history of this UNITED STATES....shut the fuck up.
oh, and who are they gonna call when they get car jacked? their home gets broken into? it ain't tyrone. dumbasses. 2 faced hypocritical bitches.
They aren't turning their backs you fucking hayseed, they are kneeling... I bet you sit your fat fucking ass on your couch and drink a beer during the National Anthem..
What is the big deal anyways? They fucking kneeled!
And don't give me this "until you've put on a uniform" bullshit.. No one can force you to stand for the goddamn National Anthem, this ain't Nazi fucking Germany, Adolf!
This is America... people have rights... If you wan't to live in a country where you a forced to stand for the National Anthem, go to North Korea, and see how fucking great it is...
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There is a reason why people are tuning out ESPN, and sports along with it.
No, there isn't. People that watch sports won't give shit about this.
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Offended?Disappointed . . . very.
Not a good look for a young Team in the National spotlight, I had thought they had more sense.
I'm looking at the bigger picture though.
In the Military, you'd get disciplined for disrespect to the Flag - up to Court Martial.
Most Work places forbid Political Activities in and around the work place.
Guess what? NFL Players are employees of their respective Teams.See, this all stems out of the Disease known as Political Correctness.
This has devolved the SJW's, which are stirring up all this crap and are in the process of erasing History.
NFL is in their sites too with CTE . . . it's days are numbered.Got news for ya'll, there's Social Injustice to all Races, Creeds, and Religions from all directions.
Just the nature of the beast.This whole stupid NFL thing was started by Kaepernick.
It was so important to him to do this to change the world that . . . he didn't even bother voting.The World's a pretty messed up place, I just want to watch Football without all the extra stupidity.
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Stop giving these fucking jerk offs coverage. If nobody put them on tv showing their "protest" then it would be no big deal. And that goes for any team.
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i do.
until you've put a uniform on and defended these millionaires to turn their back on the basis/history of this UNITED STATES....shut the fuck up.
oh, and who are they gonna call when they get car jacked? their home gets broken into? it ain't tyrone. dumbasses. 2 faced hypocritical bitches.
They aren't turning their backs you fucking hayseed, they are kneeling... I bet you sit your fat fucking ass on your couch and drink a beer during the National Anthem..
What is the big deal anyways? They fucking kneeled!
And don't give me this "until you've put on a uniform" bullshit.. No one can force you to stand for the goddamn National Anthem, this ain't Nazi fucking Germany, Adolf!
This is America... people have rights... If you wan't to live in a country where you a forced to stand for the National Anthem, go to North Korea, and see how fucking great it is...
They aren't turning their backs you fucking hayseed, they are kneeling... I bet you sit your fat fucking ass on your couch and drink a beer during the National Anthem..
What is the big deal anyways? They fucking kneeled!
And don't give me this "until you've put on a uniform" bullshit.. No one can force you to stand for the goddamn National Anthem, this ain't Nazi fucking Germany, Adolf!
This is America... people have rights... If you wan't to live in a country where you a forced to stand for the National Anthem, go to North Korea, and see how fucking great it is...
Fuck you antifa mother fucker. Go suck Kape's dick.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Fuck anyone who disrespects America. What the fuck would any of us have if it wasn't for America? Where would blacks be if it was not for slavery? In Africa? Doing what? No slavery = No Michael Jackson, Ali, James Brown, Michael Jordan, Sammy Davis, on and on and on it goes. It's over. 200 years plus. There isn't a mother fucker alive, of any color affected by that bullshit.
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This should go to the political board where it belongs.
This should go to the political board where it belongs.
I tried to tell em on the last thread about this,no one listened then and none shall listen now
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This should go to the political board where it belongs.
I tried to tell em on the last thread about this,no one listened then and none shall listen now
I tried to tell em on the last thread about this,no one listened then and none shall listen now
Well in that case, apropos of nothing, fuck Trump and the minions he rode in with.
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Well in that case, apropos of nothing, fuck Trump and the minions he rode in with.
but but but,trump said he was gonna make America great again ,BWAHHHHHH
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Offended?Disappointed . . . very.
Not a good look for a young Team in the National spotlight, I had thought they had more sense.
I'm looking at the bigger picture though.
In the Military, you'd get disciplined for disrespect to the Flag - up to Court Martial.
Most Work places forbid Political Activities in and around the work place.
Guess what? NFL Players are employees of their respective Teams.See, this all stems out of the Disease known as Political Correctness.
This has devolved the SJW's, which are stirring up all this crap and are in the process of erasing History.
NFL is in their sites too with CTE . . . it's days are numbered.Got news for ya'll, there's Social Injustice to all Races, Creeds, and Religions from all directions.
Just the nature of the beast.This whole stupid NFL thing was started by Kaepernick.
It was so important to him to do this to change the world that . . . he didn't even bother voting.The World's a pretty messed up place, I just want to watch Football without all the extra stupidity.
Offended?Disappointed . . . very.
Not a good look for a young Team in the National spotlight, I had thought they had more sense.
I'm looking at the bigger picture though.
In the Military, you'd get disciplined for disrespect to the Flag - up to Court Martial.
Most Work places forbid Political Activities in and around the work place.
Guess what? NFL Players are employees of their respective Teams.See, this all stems out of the Disease known as Political Correctness.
This has devolved the SJW's, which are stirring up all this crap and are in the process of erasing History.
NFL is in their sites too with CTE . . . it's days are numbered.Got news for ya'll, there's Social Injustice to all Races, Creeds, and Religions from all directions.
Just the nature of the beast.This whole stupid NFL thing was started by Kaepernick.
It was so important to him to do this to change the world that . . . he didn't even bother voting.The World's a pretty messed up place, I just want to watch Football without all the extra stupidity.
Stop giving these fucking jerk offs coverage. If nobody put them on tv showing their "protest" then it would be no big deal. And that goes for any team.
Social injustice? Damn vague term! How about the way we Vietnam Vets were treated when we came home? THAT certainly qualifies as social injustice in my book. Social injustice happens. If these players want to change/improve things, What specific things are these "protesters" doing to effect such change, other than kneeling (I have no proof they were praying) during the National Anthem? The National Anthem was the wrong stage boys...why don't you have it announced that you will have your "prayer service" before or immediately after the game & invite any/all like minded fans to join in, which would enhance credibility & improve public perception, or would that adversely affect/delay your plans for the rest of the evening? I blame ownership & management for allowing this disruption to happen. It didn't happen in Dallas, largely because HOF Dallas owner Jerry Jones had the balls to basically say NO.
The players have the right to protest, but choice of when, where, & how can enhance or destroy credibility. LeBron James chose the right & classy way to effect change. Maybe following his lead would be a major step in the right direction.
I really am thinking about having my own protest....I have season tickets (which I plan to keep), will attend the games proudly wearing my Vietnam Vets' hat, stand (hat over heart) for the National Anthem, & if Browns's players kneel during the Anthem, I will leave the stadium immediately upon completion of the Anthem. Then I will go to the lot where we tailgate, drink a few beers & wait for my family & friends there.
Mike
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Offended?Disappointed . . . very.
Not a good look for a young Team in the National spotlight, I had thought they had more sense.
I'm looking at the bigger picture though.
In the Military, you'd get disciplined for disrespect to the Flag - up to Court Martial.
Most Work places forbid Political Activities in and around the work place.
Guess what? NFL Players are employees of their respective Teams.See, this all stems out of the Disease known as Political Correctness.
This has devolved the SJW's, which are stirring up all this crap and are in the process of erasing History.
NFL is in their sites too with CTE . . . it's days are numbered.Got news for ya'll, there's Social Injustice to all Races, Creeds, and Religions from all directions.
Just the nature of the beast.This whole stupid NFL thing was started by Kaepernick.
It was so important to him to do this to change the world that . . . he didn't even bother voting.The World's a pretty messed up place, I just want to watch Football without all the extra stupidity.
Stop giving these fucking jerk offs coverage. If nobody put them on tv showing their "protest" then it would be no big deal. And that goes for any team.
Social injustice? Damn vague term! How about the way we Vietnam Vets were treated when we came home? THAT certainly qualifies as social injustice in my book. Social injustice happens. If these players want to change/improve things, What specific things are these "protesters" doing to effect such change, other than kneeling (I have no proof they were praying) during the National Anthem? The National Anthem was the wrong stage boys...why don't you have it announced that you will have your "prayer service" before or immediately after the game & invite any/all like minded fans to join in, which would enhance credibility & improve public perception, or would that adversely affect/delay your plans for the rest of the evening? I blame ownership & management for allowing this disruption to happen. It didn't happen in Dallas, largely because HOF Dallas owner Jerry Jones had the balls to basically say NO.
The players have the right to protest, but choice of when, where, & how can enhance or destroy credibility. LeBron James chose the right & classy way to effect change. Maybe following his lead would be a major step in the right direction.
I really am thinking about having my own protest....I have season tickets (which I plan to keep), will attend the games proudly wearing my Vietnam Vets' hat, stand (hat over heart) for the National Anthem, & if Browns's players kneel during the Anthem, I will leave the stadium immediately upon completion of the Anthem. Then I will go to the lot where we tailgate, drink a few beers & wait for my family & friends there.
Mike
Social injustice? Damn vague term! How about the way we Vietnam Vets were treated when we came home? THAT certainly qualifies as social injustice in my book. Social injustice happens. If these players want to change/improve things, What specific things are these "protesters" doing to effect such change, other than kneeling (I have no proof they were praying) during the National Anthem? The National Anthem was the wrong stage boys...why don't you have it announced that you will have your "prayer service" before or immediately after the game & invite any/all like minded fans to join in, which would enhance credibility & improve public perception, or would that adversely affect/delay your plans for the rest of the evening? I blame ownership & management for allowing this disruption to happen. It didn't happen in Dallas, largely because HOF Dallas owner Jerry Jones had the balls to basically say NO.
The players have the right to protest, but choice of when, where, & how can enhance or destroy credibility. LeBron James chose the right & classy way to effect change. Maybe following his lead would be a major step in the right direction.
I really am thinking about having my own protest....I have season tickets (which I plan to keep), will attend the games proudly wearing my Vietnam Vets' hat, stand (hat over heart) for the National Anthem, & if Browns's players kneel during the Anthem, I will leave the stadium immediately upon completion of the Anthem. Then I will go to the lot where we tailgate, drink a few beers & wait for my family & friends there.
Mike
You, my friend, have my utmost respect.
Vietnam Vets were treated worse than any Veterans ever, and you all deserved our respect and gratitude for what you did.
I was still a kid when the last Draft took place, but my Sister's boyfriend did get Drafted . . . he went into the National Guards.
My Dad, Uncles, and a Cousin or two also served - so my view as yours is a bit different than others.
I never understood how that could happen (the disrespect) . . .
Myself, I'm of Vet of the 80's, so that was Peace time - still not party time as the Cold War was in full swing.
The Vets I've heard on the Radio call ins are not happy about this at all.
Some have even returned their Season Tickets (not telling/suggesting you do this).
The more I'm seeing of this as I look around, it's looking the Browns just gave themselves a Black Eye - the PR is not looking good.
This is not what this Team or the City needs . . . time will tell how it washes out, but it has put a pall over a possibly interesting Season.
Thank you for your Service and Sacrifice.
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