What does hue have to go to keep his job this year?
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I can absolutely expect "competent" QB Play and Play Calling from our Offense Leader. We have a Fantastic Line and above average Backs that were and continue to be Woefully under used. Kizer is our current leading Rusher.... Kizer is also 3rd in loss yards from sacks... He's a rookie and i understand him to play as such. his biggest knock is his inconsistency and mental toughness. Do i think he is going to be the browns savior at QB. No i dont think he will. mental traits are nearly impossible to overcome at the next level. There was a reason he slid to the BACK HALF of the second round. i look forward to the 2018 QB Class with anticipation. Kizer has the physical tools to make it but its not likely.
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I can absolutely expect "competent" QB Play and Play Calling from our Offense Leader. We have a Fantastic Line and above average Backs that were and continue to be Woefully under used. Kizer is our current leading Rusher.... Kizer is also 3rd in loss yards from sacks... He's a rookie and i understand him to play as such. his biggest knock is his inconsistency and mental toughness. Do i think he is going to be the browns savior at QB. No i dont think he will. mental traits are nearly impossible to overcome at the next level. There was a reason he slid to the BACK HALF of the second round. i look forward to the 2018 QB Class with anticipation. Kizer has the physical tools to make it but its not likely.
Did you know the capital of Spain is Madrid.... that's about how much relevance the 76 bucs have with any team post UFAI can absolutely expect "competent" QB Play and Play Calling from our Offense Leader. We have a Fantastic Line and above average Backs that were and continue to be Woefully under used. Kizer is our current leading Rusher.... Kizer is also 3rd in loss yards from sacks... He's a rookie and i understand him to play as such. his biggest knock is his inconsistency and mental toughness. Do i think he is going to be the browns savior at QB. No i dont think he will. mental traits are nearly impossible to overcome at the next level. There was a reason he slid to the BACK HALF of the second round. i look forward to the 2018 QB Class with anticipation. Kizer has the physical tools to make it but its not likely.
Did you know the capital of Spain is Madrid.... that's about how much relevance the 76 bucs have with any team post UFAThat was the point, I had to go back 40 or so years to think of a head coach who only won a few games combined in two seasons back-to-back and came back for a third season. I can't think of any other recent examples.
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to all you guys who think hue is safe if he goes something like 3-13: Name a bunch of nfl coaches who go 4-28 over a two year period and come back the next year?? It just doesn't happen.
And don't say "but it's ok that they have a bad record because look what they started with". What...do you think all the other coaches fired after losing > 80% of their games over a two year period had a stacked roster or something? Of course not...they mostly took over poor teams as well.
The point is that if you are losing at such a rate consistently in the nfl after two whole seasons, thats not a good sign. It doesn't mean that the biggest reason the team went 3-13 isn't an untalented roster, but it also sure as hell rules out the possibility that the coach is a positive difference maker.
It's more likely than not that Hue won't be fired because it's more likely than not(due to the nature of the nfl) that we win more than 4 games. But if we stink it up and get the #1 pick again or the #2 pick? You're damn right he is gone....it would be historical if he wasnt. And why is the browns situation so unique to merit that(hint- it's not)
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The bigger question is, "why does this fuck hole even have a job?"
1) I told you all when AssOiler was acquired that this was proof positive that Jackson doesn't have a fucking clue. I preached that NOBODY wanted this turd and that he holds on to the fucking ball, too fucking long. He is a dullard.............a Tim Couch................ a total bust.....................BUT BUT BUT................. no, you ass pimples know better. You go on and on about how full of smarts the organization and Hue is.............he will analyze to see what he has, use Brock to train black Tarkenton..... blah blah blah fucking blah you blowjobs post. Analytics, mechanics, working in to the system............. ALL BULLSHIT.
Now, if a pig fucked like me knows this shit before AssOiler even takes a snap,,,,,what the fuck do you imagine that says about Hue? seriously people. This fucking cueball needed to waste training camp and 2 preseason games to "see what he had in AssOiler?". Jesus, Joseph and Mary, Hue Jackson is a cluster fuck.
2) Also, as I predicted to you during the draft, Hue Jackson has painted himself into a QB corner once again. He wasn't smart enough to know that it's Kizer or bust, and now he has to hope Kizer DOES play well.....which he won't. Then what is his move? Maybe he tells Haslam to hire Ghoolie.
3) Hue has done nothing to bring discipline to the Browns. They remain the most penalty producing team in the NFL
4) Regardless of whether or not Hue influenced the drafting of One-Tackle-Texas, and regardless that he didn't personally pass on Trubisky, the fact is the Browns could have had Trubisky. The kid is progressing VERY fast and like it or not, was a far, far, 1 million times better pick than the one-dimensional, soft, pussy boy we took.
Haslam is going to have to watch another QB flourish and grow, while we fuck around with a black Tarkenton who is cockeyed, and holds the fucking ball too long.
Make no mistake, Hue is already about done. A 42 - 10 Steeler blowout at home may be all Haslam needs to see. Really? How fucking stupid can he be.
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if our offense does not show some kinda of life he'll only make it to the bye this year let alone next year. Ridiculous Play calling persist from last season our defense looks aggressive,fast and effective and COMPLETELY OUTPLAYED our offense. and has for 2 games led us to victory. we have a bottom 3rd offense at best currently. With a top 3 Offensive line with depth. Defensively we are a top 10 defense in yardage and top 5 in points given currently.
That is the difference a Coach can make. we start losing a pile of games 6-10/3-6 and i can GURANTEE we will have Gregg Williams as a HC by the bye week
Hue is tied to our Offensive performance and Kizer.if our offense does not show some kinda of life he'll only make it to the bye this year let alone next year. Ridiculous Play calling persist from last season our defense looks aggressive,fast and effective and COMPLETELY OUTPLAYED our offense. and has for 2 games led us to victory. we have a bottom 3rd offense at best currently. With a top 3 Offensive line with depth. Defensively we are a top 10 defense in yardage and top 5 in points given currently.
That is the difference a Coach can make. we start losing a pile of games 6-10/3-6 and i can GURANTEE we will have Gregg Williams as a HC by the bye week
Hue is tied to our Offensive performance and Kizer.Says the guy that was positive we'd fire him last year.
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to all you guys who think hue is safe if he goes something like 3-13: Name a bunch of nfl coaches who go 4-28 over a two year period and come back the next year?? It just doesn't happen.
And don't say "but it's ok that they have a bad record because look what they started with". What...do you think all the other coaches fired after losing > 80% of their games over a two year period had a stacked roster or something? Of course not...they mostly took over poor teams as well.
The point is that if you are losing at such a rate consistently in the nfl after two whole seasons, thats not a good sign. It doesn't mean that the biggest reason the team went 3-13 isn't an untalented roster, but it also sure as hell rules out the possibility that the coach is a positive difference maker.
It's more likely than not that Hue won't be fired because it's more likely than not(due to the nature of the nfl) that we win more than 4 games. But if we stink it up and get the #1 pick again or the #2 pick? You're damn right he is gone....it would be historical if he wasnt. And why is the browns situation so unique to merit that(hint- it's not)
to all you guys who think hue is safe if he goes something like 3-13: Name a bunch of nfl coaches who go 4-28 over a two year period and come back the next year?? It just doesn't happen.
And don't say "but it's ok that they have a bad record because look what they started with". What...do you think all the other coaches fired after losing > 80% of their games over a two year period had a stacked roster or something? Of course not...they mostly took over poor teams as well.
The point is that if you are losing at such a rate consistently in the nfl after two whole seasons, thats not a good sign. It doesn't mean that the biggest reason the team went 3-13 isn't an untalented roster, but it also sure as hell rules out the possibility that the coach is a positive difference maker.
It's more likely than not that Hue won't be fired because it's more likely than not(due to the nature of the nfl) that we win more than 4 games. But if we stink it up and get the #1 pick again or the #2 pick? You're damn right he is gone....it would be historical if he wasnt. And why is the browns situation so unique to merit that(hint- it's not)
how is it not? Who has been as bad as the Browns and for as long? I'll wait.
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if our offense does not show some kinda of life he'll only make it to the bye this year let alone next year. Ridiculous Play calling persist from last season our defense looks aggressive,fast and effective and COMPLETELY OUTPLAYED our offense. and has for 2 games led us to victory. we have a bottom 3rd offense at best currently. With a top 3 Offensive line with depth. Defensively we are a top 10 defense in yardage and top 5 in points given currently.
That is the difference a Coach can make. we start losing a pile of games 6-10/3-6 and i can GURANTEE we will have Gregg Williams as a HC by the bye week
Hue is tied to our Offensive performance and Kizer.Says the guy that was positive we'd fire him last year.
Says the guy that was positive we'd fire him last year.
Positive no... Hopeful yes...
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To answer the topic if coach Jackson wants to keep his job then Kizer has to be the guy.
If we win four games and he sucks it won't be enough to get Darnold who is being talked about as an Andrew Luck type of talent.
I think the circumstances would have to be pretty extreme for him to be fired after his second season however. After year number three we will see how these draftees perform.
WSS
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To answer the topic if coach Jackson wants to keep his job then Kizer has to be the guy.
If we win four games and he sucks it won't be enough to get Darnold who is being talked about as an Andrew Luck type of talent.
I think the circumstances would have to be pretty extreme for him to be fired after his second season however. After year number three we will see how these draftees perform.
WSS
To answer the topic if coach Jackson wants to keep his job then Kizer has to be the guy.
If we win four games and he sucks it won't be enough to get Darnold who is being talked about as an Andrew Luck type of talent.
I think the circumstances would have to be pretty extreme for him to be fired after his second season however. After year number three we will see how these draftees perform.
WSS
This time last year, Deshaun Watson was being talked about as a possible first overall pick. Anything can happen between now and then.
And also I'm not certain Darnold will even come out next year.
But outside of that, I agree. Kizer has to be the guy regardless. You draft a guy, you need to see what you have in him. The worst thing that can happen is that we go this entire year not knowing whether or not he's a franchise caliber QB.
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To answer the topic if coach Jackson wants to keep his job then Kizer has to be the guy.
If we win four games and he sucks it won't be enough to get Darnold who is being talked about as an Andrew Luck type of talent.
I think the circumstances would have to be pretty extreme for him to be fired after his second season however. After year number three we will see how these draftees perform.
WSS
This time last year, Deshaun Watson was being talked about as a possible first overall pick. Anything can happen between now and then.
And also I'm not certain Darnold will even come out next year.
But outside of that, I agree. Kizer has to be the guy regardless. You draft a guy, you need to see what you have in him. The worst thing that can happen is that we go this entire year not knowing whether or not he's a franchise caliber QB.
This time last year, Deshaun Watson was being talked about as a possible first overall pick. Anything can happen between now and then.
And also I'm not certain Darnold will even come out next year.
But outside of that, I agree. Kizer has to be the guy regardless. You draft a guy, you need to see what you have in him. The worst thing that can happen is that we go this entire year not knowing whether or not he's a franchise caliber QB.
Well, I guess I wouldn't be all that hyped up in thinking Darnold would be a be all end all at QB. Remember Matt Leinert....more highly touted than Darnold before his final season at USC. How did he turn out? Mark Sanchez. Matt Barkley. Honest to pete....I am not jumping on any QB back and proclaiming them the savior until they have done it for 2-3 years WITH the Browns. Right now, I think I got only 4-5QBs on whose jock I would jump:
Bernie Kosar, Brian Sipe, Bill Nelsen, Frank Ryan, Otto Graham.
Call me when any of these prospects lives up to the guys on that list. Hopeful? Certainly. Ready to make proclamations? Hell no.
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To answer the topic if coach Jackson wants to keep his job then Kizer has to be the guy.
If we win four games and he sucks it won't be enough to get Darnold who is being talked about as an Andrew Luck type of talent.
I think the circumstances would have to be pretty extreme for him to be fired after his second season however. After year number three we will see how these draftees perform.
WSS
This time last year, Deshaun Watson was being talked about as a possible first overall pick. Anything can happen between now and then.
And also I'm not certain Darnold will even come out next year.
But outside of that, I agree. Kizer has to be the guy regardless. You draft a guy, you need to see what you have in him. The worst thing that can happen is that we go this entire year not knowing whether or not he's a franchise caliber QB.
On Hue keeping his job...
For me it's really a matter of us showing improvement beyond that the simple addition of talent that most of us agree has arrived... and the measure of that is way beyond a win total. IMO to say "he's done at 3-13, but safe at 5-11" is beyond overly simplistic.
Hue's Offense has to show improvement that demonstrates that it's performance exceeds the sum of its parts... and his fingerprints have to be all over that improvement via his personnel utilization and play calling... including judicious use of the read option.
Additionally he has to show a game management capacity beyond that he showed last season. If he's smart, then he has an assistant set to help him here.
Hue is already starting on the plus side of the ledger. His hiring of Gregg Williams and his growing relationship with Gregg have piled up early points. Now he has but to incorporate Gregg's D without overcontrolling it. As he does so points will continue to accumulate.
Similarly he'll get credit for ST success... another unit whose performance looks poised to improve.
The worst thing that can happen is that we go this entire year not knowing whether or not he's a franchise caliber QB.
Then be prepared for the worst thing because we won't know this after one season. We might know if he's not franchise caliber, but no way can we know that he is. Best we can do is better assess his potential.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This time last year, Deshaun Watson was being talked about as a possible first overall pick. Anything can happen between now and then.
And also I'm not certain Darnold will even come out next year.
But outside of that, I agree. Kizer has to be the guy regardless. You draft a guy, you need to see what you have in him. The worst thing that can happen is that we go this entire year not knowing whether or not he's a franchise caliber QB.
Well, I guess I wouldn't be all that hyped up in thinking Darnold would be a be all end all at QB. Remember Matt Leinert....more highly touted than Darnold before his final season at USC. How did he turn out? Mark Sanchez. Matt Barkley. Honest to pete....I am not jumping on any QB back and proclaiming them the savior until they have done it for 2-3 years WITH the Browns. Right now, I think I got only 4-5QBs on whose jock I would jump:
Bernie Kosar, Brian Sipe, Bill Nelsen, Frank Ryan, Otto Graham.
Call me when any of these prospects lives up to the guys on that list. Hopeful? Certainly. Ready to make proclamations? Hell no.
I am not jumping on any QB back and proclaiming them the savior until they have done it for 2-3 years WITH the Browns.
You just broke Mitchypoo's heart...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
On Hue keeping his job...
For me it's really a matter of us showing improvement beyond that the simple addition of talent that most of us agree has arrived... and the measure of that is way beyond a win total. IMO to say "he's done at 3-13, but safe at 5-11" is beyond overly simplistic.
Hue's Offense has to show improvement that demonstrates that it's performance exceeds the sum of its parts... and his fingerprints have to be all over that improvement via his personnel utilization and play calling... including judicious use of the read option.
Additionally he has to show a game management capacity beyond that he showed last season. If he's smart, then he has an assistant set to help him here.
Hue is already starting on the plus side of the ledger. His hiring of Gregg Williams and his growing relationship with Gregg have piled up early points. Now he has but to incorporate Gregg's D without overcontrolling it. As he does so points will continue to accumulate.
Similarly he'll get credit for ST success... another unit whose performance looks poised to improve.
The worst thing that can happen is that we go this entire year not knowing whether or not he's a franchise caliber QB.
Then be prepared for the worst thing because we won't know this after one season. We might know if he's not franchise caliber, but no way can we know that he is. Best we can do is better assess his potential.
Then be prepared for the worst thing because we won't know this after one season. We might know if he's not franchise caliber, but no way can we know that he is. Best we can do is better assess his potential.
Well obviously, but after 16 games you can damn well glean whether or not you want to build your offense around a guy. If he continues to make some nice plays against starting defenses, we'll know he has the potential to be good and we'll be able to weigh that against taking a first round QB in the draft. If he sucks, we'll know he sucks and I would much rather move on immediately than give him another shot to be okay.
I don't want to sit here after 16 games and go "well he wasn't that bad, he just needs more time, he's a rookie and plenty of guys have sub 70 QB ratings, blah blah blah". That's how you end up in the situation Jacksonville is in.
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Then be prepared for the worst thing because we won't know this after one season. We might know if he's not franchise caliber, but no way can we know that he is. Best we can do is better assess his potential.
Well obviously, but after 16 games you can damn well glean whether or not you want to build your offense around a guy. If he continues to make some nice plays against starting defenses, we'll know he has the potential to be good and we'll be able to weigh that against taking a first round QB in the draft. If he sucks, we'll know he sucks and I would much rather move on immediately than give him another shot to be okay.
I don't want to sit here after 16 games and go "well he wasn't that bad, he just needs more time, he's a rookie and plenty of guys have sub 70 QB ratings, blah blah blah". That's how you end up in the situation Jacksonville is in.
That's how you end up in the situation Jacksonville is in.
Bortles should be available...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
That's how you end up in the situation Jacksonville is in.
Bortles should be available...
Bortles should be available...
I'm sure I'll have to eat crow at some point - but not right now. I'm holding out hope for the guy.
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Hues offense bites....hate to say it, but it's true....
He needs to dump all the silly alignments and stupid(time wasting) shifts.....and come up with a creative offensive scheme....instead of stupid "trickery", which doesnt work....
We need a real OC.....so if Hue wants to keep his job, he needs to hire a good offensive mind and step away from the play calling.....
Offensive genius???......puleeze
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For the sake of argument, *if* Hue needed a certain number of wins, which games in the schedule get him there? If he needs four, for example, where do you think those four most likely come from?
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To answer the topic if coach Jackson wants to keep his job then Kizer has to be the guy.
If we win four games and he sucks it won't be enough to get Darnold who is being talked about as an Andrew Luck type of talent.
I think the circumstances would have to be pretty extreme for him to be fired after his second season however. After year number three we will see how these draftees perform.
WSS
This time last year, Deshaun Watson was being talked about as a possible first overall pick. Anything can happen between now and then.
And also I'm not certain Darnold will even come out next year.
But outside of that, I agree. Kizer has to be the guy regardless. You draft a guy, you need to see what you have in him. The worst thing that can happen is that we go this entire year not knowing whether or not he's a franchise caliber QB.
This time last year, Deshaun Watson was being talked about as a possible first overall pick. Anything can happen between now and then.
And also I'm not certain Darnold will even come out next year.
But outside of that, I agree. Kizer has to be the guy regardless. You draft a guy, you need to see what you have in him. The worst thing that can happen is that we go this entire year not knowing whether or not he's a franchise caliber QB.
I'm not talking about somebody being considered a possible first round pick. All four of the possible first round picks last year war considered by the pundits to be a part of one of the weakest quarterback drafts in a long time. They are talking about Sam darnold like he's special. Of course he could fall on his ass, every quarterback runs that risk. I'm just talking odds. With four winss we won't be in position to draft a blue-chip quarterback.
Every year there is a football ritual of posting the successful guys we could have drafted but didn't. Let's hope that other teams will be doing the same thing about DeShone Kizer.
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