Haden ....RELEASED
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We did this same shit when dq left and showed he had plenty left in the tank when he went to indy. If ur nearing the end of ur career and arent really a lockerroom leader nor care to bring up the new guys, than fine. But cutting team leaders the likes of which the steelers retain to teach continuity us why the browns are where they are and the steelers are in the playoffs every other year or so.
equating cutting haden with gilbert is a puzzler....one knows his position inside and out and is a possible hof'er while the other is an utter 1st round bust who will struggle to make cfl roster
We did this same shit when dq left and showed he had plenty left in the tank when he went to indy. If ur nearing the end of ur career and arent really a lockerroom leader nor care to bring up the new guys, than fine. But cutting team leaders the likes of which the steelers retain to teach continuity us why the browns are where they are and the steelers are in the playoffs every other year or so.
equating cutting haden with gilbert is a puzzler....one knows his position inside and out and is a possible hof'er while the other is an utter 1st round bust who will struggle to make cfl roster
Possible HOFer? I think you may be exaggerating a bit.
Joe was asked to adjust a bloated contract to stay as a 3rd or 4th string guy. He said no and took the exact same amount of money from the Steelers. Haden has been stealing money the last few years.
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Haden signed his big contract and immediately tanked. This isn't unexpected - if anything I'm surprised Sashi let it ride last season. Speaking of loyalty to Cleveland.. he wouldn't take the same contract from Cleveland that he accepted from Pit.. that's the definition of a LACK of loyalty.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Haden was getting smoked off the line in Tampa, its why I came to the conclusion he was getting cut when the trade rumors came out.
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How did cutting dq work out for us? We got karlos dansby......and what legacy did he leave the browns? Nothing, he was here for a last paycheck. There was talk of dq immediately going to staff upon retirement.....doubt he'll ever come here under any capacity
simply put, every damn action has helped jimmy save money, and what have we done with that money? Aside from Collins what big names have we picked up?
simply put, every damn action has helped jimmy save money, and what have we done with that money? Aside from Collins what big names have we picked up?
So that's why he spent $16 Million to buy a Second Round pick (Brock O) ?
This is more a future Cap space deal (God only knows why) and a skill per $ issue than anything else.
I liked Joe, and I'm not saying I like everything going on with this Franchise, but this just a Business decision more than anything else.
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Haden signed his big contract and immediately tanked. This isn't unexpected - if anything I'm surprised Sashi let it ride last season. Speaking of loyalty to Cleveland.. he wouldn't take the same contract from Cleveland that he accepted from Pit.. that's the definition of a LACK of loyalty.
Haden signed his big contract and immediately tanked. This isn't unexpected - if anything I'm surprised Sashi let it ride last season. Speaking of loyalty to Cleveland.. he wouldn't take the same contract from Cleveland that he accepted from Pit.. that's the definition of a LACK of loyalty.
True, we offered him $7 Million restructured deal, and he signed a three year $7 Million deal (first year) with the Steelers.
There's more to it than that though . . . by going to the Steelers for the same money, he also gets to keep $4 Million from the Browns deal (Guaranteed or Contract structure).
So actually it's for a Net of $4 Million more than he would have gotten here.
From the Browns side, with Joe signing elsewhere, they're also off the hook for some $ . . . not sure how much it is, but it's not all a one sided deal.
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Haden signed his big contract and immediately tanked. This isn't unexpected - if anything I'm surprised Sashi let it ride last season. Speaking of loyalty to Cleveland.. he wouldn't take the same contract from Cleveland that he accepted from Pit.. that's the definition of a LACK of loyalty.
True, we offered him $7 Million restructured deal, and he signed a three year $7 Million deal (first year) with the Steelers.
There's more to it than that though . . . by going to the Steelers for the same money, he also gets to keep $4 Million from the Browns deal (Guaranteed or Contract structure).
So actually it's for a Net of $4 Million more than he would have gotten here.
From the Browns side, with Joe signing elsewhere, they're also off the hook for some $ . . . not sure how much it is, but it's not all a one sided deal.
There's more to it than that though . . . by going to the Steelers for the same money, he also gets to keep $4 Million from the Browns deal (Guaranteed or Contract structure).
So actually it's for a Net of $4 Million more than he would have gotten here.
The Browns now owe Haden nothing. The guaranteed money was offset by the deal with Pittsburgh.
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/08/joe_haden_agrees_to_terms_with.html
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There's more to it than that though . . . by going to the Steelers for the same money, he also gets to keep $4 Million from the Browns deal (Guaranteed or Contract structure).
So actually it's for a Net of $4 Million more than he would have gotten here.
The Browns now owe Haden nothing. The guaranteed money was offset by the deal with Pittsburgh.
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/08/joe_haden_agrees_to_terms_with.html
The Browns now owe Haden nothing. The guaranteed money was offset by the deal with Pittsburgh.
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/08/joe_haden_agrees_to_terms_with.html
Okay, so the earlier reports I saw had it wrong.
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But you have to ask yourself: If he had anything left, why would the Browns....a team in need of DBs let him go? You don't think about these things, do you.
As for the here and now...the Steelers do have those 3 players that give them that advantage over the Browns....and that's it. 3 players.
Just three players? Lmao
Just three players? Lmao
Three players: BR, AB, Bell. Looking anywhere else up and down the lineup and the Browns have a player pretty much the equal or superior to the Steelers in talent.
(Maybe 4....not sure any Browns WR is better than Bryant honestly).
Hell...you just picked up a guy that we cut....who is now your best CB. The Browns feel they had 4-5 guys better than him on their squad.
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How did cutting dq work out for us? We got karlos dansby......and what legacy did he leave the browns? Nothing, he was here for a last paycheck. There was talk of dq immediately going to staff upon retirement.....doubt he'll ever come here under any capacity
How did cutting dq work out for us? We got karlos dansby......and what legacy did he leave the browns? Nothing, he was here for a last paycheck. There was talk of dq immediately going to staff upon retirement.....doubt he'll ever come here under any capacity
Karlos Dansby was miles better than DQwell Jackson. At least Dansby would make a tackle on occasion that was within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Jackson didn't.
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If PoG hates this move, we all know it was the right move.
Go back to pining for Josh Gordon and Kevin Hogan, PoG.
If PoG hates this move, we all know it was the right move.
Go back to pining for Josh Gordon and Kevin Hogan, PoG.
Don't forget about Trent Richardson who is still on his way to the hall of fame in PoG retarded mind. Didn't watch a lot the preseason games all that closely but the one time I did see him was chasing 5 yards behind the Giants receiver on the play that Peppers got called for and then not called for hitting the receiver. Saw that play and thought glass Joe is in mid season form already...getting torched. He "might" be healthy but the injuries have taken their toll on him. Saw it on TV last night showing how badly he was getting burnt last year and how bad his technique had become.
He had his time here and gave it everything but it's time to move on.
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Well loyalty to me is MORE important than winning.
Any self respecting Browns fan can attest to that.
Dawgs are loyal. A code was broken today. And some could care less.
That's fine. It is what it is- they don't make em like they used to.
Well loyalty to me is MORE important than winning.
Any self respecting Browns fan can attest to that.
Dawgs are loyal. A code was broken today. And some could care less.
That's fine. It is what it is- they don't make em like they used to.
Loyalty is more important than winning?? You're fucking insane. Do some research and see how much loyalty New England shows to its players and how has that worked out for them? I suppose you'd rather have them keep aging veterans and overpay them when they can't produce than win all those super bowls. Your new boyfriend mr. Haden took the same money to play for shittsburgh that the Browns offered, how's that work out in your "loyalty" rant schoolgirl?? Where is the loyalty that Haden showed the Browns since he took the same money to go elsewhere?
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If PoG hates this move, we all know it was the right move.
Go back to pining for Josh Gordon and Kevin Hogan, PoG.
Don't forget about Trent Richardson who is still on his way to the hall of fame in PoG retarded mind. Didn't watch a lot the preseason games all that closely but the one time I did see him was chasing 5 yards behind the Giants receiver on the play that Peppers got called for and then not called for hitting the receiver. Saw that play and thought glass Joe is in mid season form already...getting torched. He "might" be healthy but the injuries have taken their toll on him. Saw it on TV last night showing how badly he was getting burnt last year and how bad his technique had become.
He had his time here and gave it everything but it's time to move on.
Don't forget about Trent Richardson who is still on his way to the hall of fame in PoG Retarded mind. Didn't watch a lot the preseason games all that closely but the one time I did see him was chasing 5 yards behind the Giants receiver on the play that Peppers got called for and then not called for hitting the receiver. Saw that play and thought glass Joe is in mid season form already...getting torched. He "might" be healthy but the injuries have taken their toll on him. Saw it on TV last night showing how badly he was getting burnt last year and how bad his technique had become.
He had his time here and gave it everything but it's time to move on.
With the new setup, have we moved away from the "Retard" automatic change for the R word?
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Don't forget about Trent Richardson who is still on his way to the hall of fame in PoG Retarded mind. Didn't watch a lot the preseason games all that closely but the one time I did see him was chasing 5 yards behind the Giants receiver on the play that Peppers got called for and then not called for hitting the receiver. Saw that play and thought glass Joe is in mid season form already...getting torched. He "might" be healthy but the injuries have taken their toll on him. Saw it on TV last night showing how badly he was getting burnt last year and how bad his technique had become.
He had his time here and gave it everything but it's time to move on.
With the new setup, have we moved away from the "Retard" automatic change for the R word?
With the new setup, have we moved away from the "Retard" automatic change for the R word?
It would appear to be the case. And I think retard was about the nicest thing I could come up with to describe his ridiculous school girl loves for these players who apparently we should keep forever. Since loyalty is more important than winning, we should be still playing Bernie at QB.
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I wrote the words s-t-o-c-k-t-o-n s-h-o-r-t-s and it did an automatic change to the R word. Have we entered Wonderland Alice down is up and up is down?
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How did cutting dq work out for us? We got karlos dansby......and what legacy did he leave the browns? Nothing, he was here for a last paycheck. There was talk of dq immediately going to staff upon retirement.....doubt he'll ever come here under any capacity
Karlos Dansby was miles better than DQwell Jackson. At least Dansby would make a tackle on occasion that was within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Jackson didn't.
Karlos Dansby was miles better than DQwell Jackson. At least Dansby would make a tackle on occasion that was within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Jackson didn't.
Yeah no he wasnt miles better, his tackles were even further downfield. Dq's tackle stats for the same two years in indy were comparable but way more sacks than dansby. Which shows indy was more confident in blitzing him. Both teams were running 3-4's at the time so the positions were equivalent.
I woukd have taken dq's slightly less tackle totals and more sacks ONTOP of his heart for the browns.
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Im admittedly dont have a great eye for evaluating db's....if haden on tape is so bad he doesnt belong on an nfl field than fine, but it isnt like pgh doesnt see tgat tape either. They wouldnt give him 7m just fir some intel on a team they've been owning for years anyway
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Haden signed his big contract and immediately tanked. This isn't unexpected - if anything I'm surprised Sashi let it ride last season. Speaking of loyalty to Cleveland.. he wouldn't take the same contract from Cleveland that he accepted from Pit.. that's the definition of a LACK of loyalty.
True, we offered him $7 Million restructured deal, and he signed a three year $7 Million deal (first year) with the Steelers.
There's more to it than that though . . . by going to the Steelers for the same money, he also gets to keep $4 Million from the Browns deal (Guaranteed or Contract structure).
So actually it's for a Net of $4 Million more than he would have gotten here.
From the Browns side, with Joe signing elsewhere, they're also off the hook for some $ . . . not sure how much it is, but it's not all a one sided deal.
True, we offered him $7 Million restructured deal, and he signed a three year $7 Million deal (first year) with the Steelers.
There's more to it than that though . . . by going to the Steelers for the same money, he also gets to keep $4 Million from the Browns deal (Guaranteed or Contract structure).
So actually it's for a Net of $4 Million more than he would have gotten here.
From the Browns side, with Joe signing elsewhere, they're also off the hook for some $ . . . not sure how much it is, but it's not all a one sided deal.
Well the Browns just accelerated Joe's cap hit into this year- where we had plenty of room to do so.
Loyalty is more important than winning?? You're fucking insane. Do some research and see how much loyalty New England shows to its players and how has that worked out for them? I suppose you'd rather have them keep aging veterans and overpay them when they can't produce than win all those super bowls. Your new boyfriend mr. Haden took the same money to play for shittsburgh that the Browns offered, how's that work out in your "loyalty" rant schoolgirl?? Where is the loyalty that Haden showed the Browns since he took the same money to go elsewhere?
Our resident Pats fan pointed that out Mark. Belichick would cut his mother if he thought it would help him win more games. Lawyer Milloy, Richard Seymour, Legarrette Blount (who led the league in TDs las year) was willing to part ways with a very productive Randy Moss because he was a head case...
Maybe I should collect on that bet I made with Po way back on what Richardson was going to do. Hogan or best QB? F'in crazy headed to practice squad.
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True, we offered him $7 Million restructured deal, and he signed a three year $7 Million deal (first year) with the Steelers.
There's more to it than that though . . . by going to the Steelers for the same money, he also gets to keep $4 Million from the Browns deal (Guaranteed or Contract structure).
So actually it's for a Net of $4 Million more than he would have gotten here.
From the Browns side, with Joe signing elsewhere, they're also off the hook for some $ . . . not sure how much it is, but it's not all a one sided deal.
Well the Browns just accelerated Joe's cap hit into this year- where we had plenty of room to do so.
Loyalty is more important than winning?? You're fucking insane. Do some research and see how much loyalty New England shows to its players and how has that worked out for them? I suppose you'd rather have them keep aging veterans and overpay them when they can't produce than win all those super bowls. Your new boyfriend mr. Haden took the same money to play for shittsburgh that the Browns offered, how's that work out in your "loyalty" rant schoolgirl?? Where is the loyalty that Haden showed the Browns since he took the same money to go elsewhere?
Our resident Pats fan pointed that out Mark. Belichick would cut his mother if he thought it would help him win more games. Lawyer Milloy, Richard Seymour, Legarrette Blount (who led the league in TDs las year) was willing to part ways with a very productive Randy Moss because he was a head case...
Maybe I should collect on that bet I made with Po way back on what Richardson was going to do. Hogan or best QB? F'in crazy headed to practice squad.
Maybe I should collect on that bet I made with Po way back on what Richardson was going to do. Hogan or best QB? F'in crazy headed to practice squad. I think PG needs a big dose of tranxene or vallium.
Richardson is going to come back still and dominate, just like Manziel and Gordon. Can't wait to see the three of them on the same offense.
Based on his track record...if Po hates the move then it must be a good one for the Browns.
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@boo-fagley said:
Who is s t o c k t o n s h o r t s?
A Retard.....what did you think?
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A troll extraordinaire, a man with zero leather-bound books, a man with no fans.
Back on track: I like the move of getting rid of Haden. Add to the culture of winning by.. holding people accountable to actually win. Haden has stunk ever since he signed that contract - he gave up the most TD's of any CB in the league last season! This is sports: perform or you're out.
Urban Meyer has said publically that he's done recruiting from schools that have disorganized weight rooms and/or don't get after every detail of a player's performance -- because those are two characteristics of the loser mentality which it takes years to untwist players away from. Keeping Haden around would be maintaining the loser attitude throughout the Browns organization.
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