2018 picks, as it stands
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So for one 10/10 player we got ten 7/10 players?
And we could have no.1 overall pick next year too?
Yeah that sounds like a deal
So for one 10/10 player we got ten 7/10 players?
And we could have no.1 overall pick next year too?
Yeah that sounds like a deal
Plus it appears to me at this early date that we ended up with a pretty good QB ourselves plus his backup. Such a deal!
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If the Browns are out of it by the October 31st trade deadline, is now the right time to move Joe Thomas for a 1st + 2nd or 3rd rounder? He's going to be 33 years old and with us in rebuild mode, do we deal him before he breaks down and it's too late to get anything?
Personally, I think they should since he's likely going to be either retired or not so good by the time the Browns are ready to be a contender.
Adding a couple more high picks from guy nearing the end would be huge.
If the Browns are out of it by the October 31st trade deadline, is now the right time to move Joe Thomas for a 1st + 2nd or 3rd rounder? He's going to be 33 years old and with us in rebuild mode, do we deal him before he breaks down and it's too late to get anything?
Personally, I think they should since he's likely going to be either retired or not so good by the time the Browns are ready to be a contender.
Adding a couple more high picks from guy nearing the end would be huge.
Not a fan of your plan for a couple reasons...
- After the deadline there are two months of football left. While IMO we will likely be "out of it", we will still be in the QB evaluating mode and downgrading our LT significantly does not aid that process.
- Not feeling the trade value you are. We've shopped Joe in the past (two years ago?) and word was we came away unimpressed with the offers. Teams don't pony up 1's let alone "1's plus" for players at the end of their careers... even great players.
- If you do the deal, then you generate an immediate, Day One draft need on top of a what could already turn out to be a very needy Day One.
Joe looks damn good. He has no injury history. He is under contract thru 2018 and may well extend another couple years. He's a Brown... the Brown. I keep him.
Jeeez....can someone talk me through that!! I'm just getting my head round the draft system etc but that is too much too soon!
(New british fan)
Happy to... just follow these three easy steps...
- Make a copy of the diagram.
- Bring it to the Admiralty Pub on Trafalgar Square the evening of 28 October
- Buy me a pint...
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Wait...
Wentz is a "10/10" player?
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If the Browns are out of it by the October 31st trade deadline, is now the right time to move Joe Thomas for a 1st + 2nd or 3rd rounder? He's going to be 33 years old and with us in rebuild mode, do we deal him before he breaks down and it's too late to get anything?
Personally, I think they should since he's likely going to be either retired or not so good by the time the Browns are ready to be a contender.
Adding a couple more high picks from guy nearing the end would be huge.
Not a fan of your plan for a couple reasons...
- After the deadline there are two months of football left. While IMO we will likely be "out of it", we will still be in the QB evaluating mode and downgrading our LT significantly does not aid that process.
- Not feeling the trade value you are. We've shopped Joe in the past (two years ago?) and word was we came away unimpressed with the offers. Teams don't pony up 1's let alone "1's plus" for players at the end of their careers... even great players.
- If you do the deal, then you generate an immediate, Day One draft need on top of a what could already turn out to be a very needy Day One.
Joe looks damn good. He has no injury history. He is under contract thru 2018 and may well extend another couple years. He's a Brown... the Brown. I keep him.
Jeeez....can someone talk me through that!! I'm just getting my head round the draft system etc but that is too much too soon!
(New british fan)
Happy to... just follow these three easy steps...
- Make a copy of the diagram.
- Bring it to the Admiralty Pub on Trafalgar Square the evening of 28 October
- Buy me a pint...
Joe looks damn good. He has no injury history. He is under contract thru 2018 and may well extend another couple years. He's a Brown... the Brown. I keep him.
This alone makes him a "keeper". Every team needs that veteran presence to set the tone for all the youngsters. Joe will retire a Brown when he thinks it's time and not before, moneyballers be damned.
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If the Browns are out of it by the October 31st trade deadline, is now the right time to move Joe Thomas for a 1st + 2nd or 3rd rounder? He's going to be 33 years old and with us in rebuild mode, do we deal him before he breaks down and it's too late to get anything?
Personally, I think they should since he's likely going to be either retired or not so good by the time the Browns are ready to be a contender.
Adding a couple more high picks from guy nearing the end would be huge.
If the Browns are out of it by the October 31st trade deadline, is now the right time to move Joe Thomas for a 1st + 2nd or 3rd rounder? He's going to be 33 years old and with us in rebuild mode, do we deal him before he breaks down and it's too late to get anything?
Personally, I think they should since he's likely going to be either retired or not so good by the time the Browns are ready to be a contender.
Adding a couple more high picks from guy nearing the end would be huge.
Fuck off newbie.
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If the Browns are out of it by the October 31st trade deadline, is now the right time to move Joe Thomas for a 1st + 2nd or 3rd rounder? He's going to be 33 years old and with us in rebuild mode, do we deal him before he breaks down and it's too late to get anything?
Personally, I think they should since he's likely going to be either retired or not so good by the time the Browns are ready to be a contender.
Adding a couple more high picks from guy nearing the end would be huge.
Not a fan of your plan for a couple reasons...
- After the deadline there are two months of football left. While IMO we will likely be "out of it", we will still be in the QB evaluating mode and downgrading our LT significantly does not aid that process.
- Not feeling the trade value you are. We've shopped Joe in the past (two years ago?) and word was we came away unimpressed with the offers. Teams don't pony up 1's let alone "1's plus" for players at the end of their careers... even great players.
- If you do the deal, then you generate an immediate, Day One draft need on top of a what could already turn out to be a very needy Day One.
Joe looks damn good. He has no injury history. He is under contract thru 2018 and may well extend another couple years. He's a Brown... the Brown. I keep him.
Jeeez....can someone talk me through that!! I'm just getting my head round the draft system etc but that is too much too soon!
(New british fan)
Happy to... just follow these three easy steps...
- Make a copy of the diagram.
- Bring it to the Admiralty Pub on Trafalgar Square the evening of 28 October
- Buy me a pint...
Not a fan of your plan for a couple reasons...
- After the deadline there are two months of football left. While IMO we will likely be "out of it", we will still be in the QB evaluating mode and downgrading our LT significantly does not aid that process.
- Not feeling the trade value you are. We've shopped Joe in the past (two years ago?) and word was we came away unimpressed with the offers. Teams don't pony up 1's let alone "1's plus" for players at the end of their careers... even great players.
- If you do the deal, then you generate an immediate, Day One draft need on top of a what could already turn out to be a very needy Day One.
Joe looks damn good. He has no injury history. He is under contract thru 2018 and may well extend another couple years. He's a Brown... the Brown. I keep him.
There could be some desperate teams (Seahawks for one) willing to trade 2 high picks for the last season and a half of his contact (until he's 35). Thomas doesn't have much time left and certainly won't be as good as he is now when we're ready to contend. Wouldn't you rather trade him to a desperate team at the deadline then use those draft picks for a LT Garett Bolles AND G Forrest Lamp/RT Taylor Moton type in the 2018 draft? Clearing all that cap room to roll over to next season won't hurt either.
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Not a fan of your plan for a couple reasons...
- After the deadline there are two months of football left. While IMO we will likely be "out of it", we will still be in the QB evaluating mode and downgrading our LT significantly does not aid that process.
- Not feeling the trade value you are. We've shopped Joe in the past (two years ago?) and word was we came away unimpressed with the offers. Teams don't pony up 1's let alone "1's plus" for players at the end of their careers... even great players.
- If you do the deal, then you generate an immediate, Day One draft need on top of a what could already turn out to be a very needy Day One.
Joe looks damn good. He has no injury history. He is under contract thru 2018 and may well extend another couple years. He's a Brown... the Brown. I keep him.
There could be some desperate teams (Seahawks for one) willing to trade 2 high picks for the last season and a half of his contact (until he's 35). Thomas doesn't have much time left and certainly won't be as good as he is now when we're ready to contend. Wouldn't you rather trade him to a desperate team at the deadline then use those draft picks for a LT Garett Bolles AND G Forrest Lamp/RT Taylor Moton type in the 2018 draft? Clearing all that cap room to roll over to next season won't hurt either.
There could be some desperate teams (Seahawks for one) willing to trade 2 high picks for the last season and a half of his contact (until he's 35). Thomas doesn't have much time left and certainly won't be as good as he is now when we're ready to contend. Wouldn't you rather trade him to a desperate team at the deadline then use those draft picks for a LT Garett Bolles AND RT Taylor Moton types in the 2018 draft?
Fuck off Newbie
JT will retire as a Brown.
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There could be some desperate teams (Seahawks for one) willing to trade 2 high picks for the last season and a half of his contact (until he's 35). Thomas doesn't have much time left and certainly won't be as good as he is now when we're ready to contend. Wouldn't you rather trade him to a desperate team at the deadline then use those draft picks for a LT Garett Bolles AND RT Taylor Moton types in the 2018 draft?
Fuck off Newbie
JT will retire as a Brown.
Fuck off Newbie
Oh and welcome to the Board.
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Darnolds going #1. Tough call if we have a near top pick. Do wevstay with kizer or not....personally i hope kizer wirks out so we dont have to trade up for darnold and we can actually trade down and maybe get nick bosa along with many others
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Darnolds going #1. Tough call if we have a near top pick. Do wevstay with kizer or not....personally i hope kizer wirks out so we dont have to trade up for darnold and we can actually trade down and maybe get nick bosa along with many others
Darnolds going #1. Tough call if we have a near top pick. Do wevstay with kizer or not....personally i hope kizer wirks out so we dont have to trade up for darnold and we can actually trade down and maybe get nick bosa along with many others
I don't think Nick Bosa is draft eligible. This will have been only his second year in college.
Prediction: If Browns happen to have a Top Ten Pick....they may trade down to again to acquire a third first round pick next year.
That way they may have a chance to choose from among guys like Derwin James SS FSU, Tavarus McFadden CB FSU, James Washington WR OK St. , Saquon Barkley RB PSU. (assuming they are happy to not draft a QB)
Besides QB, Arden Key DE of LSU is rated the best prospect. However, he is 6'6 238. He sounds like a Barkevious Mingo clone. Garrett is like 272-275 lbs.
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Gah!! Ur right.....shit by the time nicks eligible joey will be coming off his rookie contract.......?
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Not a fan of your plan for a couple reasons...
- After the deadline there are two months of football left. While IMO we will likely be "out of it", we will still be in the QB evaluating mode and downgrading our LT significantly does not aid that process.
- Not feeling the trade value you are. We've shopped Joe in the past (two years ago?) and word was we came away unimpressed with the offers. Teams don't pony up 1's let alone "1's plus" for players at the end of their careers... even great players.
- If you do the deal, then you generate an immediate, Day One draft need on top of a what could already turn out to be a very needy Day One.
Joe looks damn good. He has no injury history. He is under contract thru 2018 and may well extend another couple years. He's a Brown... the Brown. I keep him.
There could be some desperate teams (Seahawks for one) willing to trade 2 high picks for the last season and a half of his contact (until he's 35). Thomas doesn't have much time left and certainly won't be as good as he is now when we're ready to contend. Wouldn't you rather trade him to a desperate team at the deadline then use those draft picks for a LT Garett Bolles AND G Forrest Lamp/RT Taylor Moton type in the 2018 draft? Clearing all that cap room to roll over to next season won't hurt either.
There could be some desperate teams (Seahawks for one) willing to trade 2 high picks for the last season and a half of his contact (until he's 35). Thomas doesn't have much time left and certainly won't be as good as he is now when we're ready to contend. Wouldn't you rather trade him to a desperate team at the deadline then use those draft picks for a LT Garett Bolles AND G Forrest Lamp/RT Taylor Moton type in the 2018 draft? Clearing all that cap room to roll over to next season won't hurt either.
I acknowledge every point you make... I just don't agree with them.
There were supposedly desperate teams last year as well.
There's a chance Joe can play at a high level for 4 more years... many great LTs have. The cap shouldn't be an issue by then, but if we land our QB I expect us to contend by then. Speaking of cap issues... Seattle has just under $4.4mm in 2017 space. Not enough for half of Joe's 2017 contract.
EDIT: Above should have read: The cap shouldn't yet be an issue by then...
OL picks are getting tougher and tougher to nail... I know... I look at them. Dion Dawkins was my #1 in the Class of 2017. Moton was OK... Lamp better, but had issues. Bolles? Never really got into him. I am surprised he's being used at LT, but seems to be fairing fairly well there for DNV.
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So if Kizer works out, which positions would you want addressed with our 1st rounders, if you had your druthers?
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So if Kizer works out, which positions would you want addressed with our 1st rounders, if you had your druthers?
So if Kizer works out, which positions would you want addressed with our 1st rounders, if you had your druthers?
Not quite there yet, war... in part due to the premise, but just not enough data on what we have... or what is going to be in the draft and available when Day One.
Another Edge? CB? MLB? WR? All possible, maybe even probable needs, but I can't say for sure let alone in what order the need and talent will fall.
Could even be a RB in the mix... but I'll never admit that to Ag.
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There could be some desperate teams (Seahawks for one) willing to trade 2 high picks for the last season and a half of his contact (until he's 35). Thomas doesn't have much time left and certainly won't be as good as he is now when we're ready to contend. Wouldn't you rather trade him to a desperate team at the deadline then use those draft picks for a LT Garett Bolles AND G Forrest Lamp/RT Taylor Moton type in the 2018 draft? Clearing all that cap room to roll over to next season won't hurt either.
I acknowledge every point you make... I just don't agree with them.
There were supposedly desperate teams last year as well.
There's a chance Joe can play at a high level for 4 more years... many great LTs have. The cap shouldn't be an issue by then, but if we land our QB I expect us to contend by then. Speaking of cap issues... Seattle has just under $4.4mm in 2017 space. Not enough for half of Joe's 2017 contract.
EDIT: Above should have read: The cap shouldn't yet be an issue by then...
OL picks are getting tougher and tougher to nail... I know... I look at them. Dion Dawkins was my #1 in the Class of 2017. Moton was OK... Lamp better, but had issues. Bolles? Never really got into him. I am surprised he's being used at LT, but seems to be fairing fairly well there for DNV.
I acknowledge every point you make... I just don't agree with them.
There were supposedly desperate teams last year as well.
There's a chance Joe can play at a high level for 4 more years... many great LTs have. The cap shouldn't be an issue by then, but if we land our QB I expect us to contend by then. Speaking of cap issues... Seattle has just under $4.4mm in 2017 space. Not enough for half of Joe's 2017 contract.
OL picks are getting tougher and tougher to nail... I know... I look at them. Dion Dawkins was my #1 in the Class of 2017. Moton was OK... Lamp better, but had issues. Bolles? Never really got into him. I am surprised he's being used at LT, but seems to be fairing fairly well there for DNV.
My take is- if anyone deserves the right to retire as a Brown- it's Joe Thomas. Both Bitonio and\or (hopefully) Coleman can slide to LT when Joe hangs 'em up.
Screw the Moneyball approach in this case. Thomas could long ago have demanded a trade to get out of the Football Hell that's been the Browns since he was drafted and go to a winning team- but he didn't. HOF level performance & loyalty should be rewarded.
PS saw on the PD Joe needs 4 more snaps to make it to 10,000 straight. Let that one settle in for a minute. We're talking the Cal Ripken of Football.
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There could be some desperate teams (Seahawks for one) willing to trade 2 high picks for the last season and a half of his contact (until he's 35). Thomas doesn't have much time left and certainly won't be as good as he is now when we're ready to contend. Wouldn't you rather trade him to a desperate team at the deadline then use those draft picks for a LT Garett Bolles AND G Forrest Lamp/RT Taylor Moton type in the 2018 draft? Clearing all that cap room to roll over to next season won't hurt either.
I acknowledge every point you make... I just don't agree with them.
There were supposedly desperate teams last year as well.
There's a chance Joe can play at a high level for 4 more years... many great LTs have. The cap shouldn't be an issue by then, but if we land our QB I expect us to contend by then. Speaking of cap issues... Seattle has just under $4.4mm in 2017 space. Not enough for half of Joe's 2017 contract.
EDIT: Above should have read: The cap shouldn't yet be an issue by then...
OL picks are getting tougher and tougher to nail... I know... I look at them. Dion Dawkins was my #1 in the Class of 2017. Moton was OK... Lamp better, but had issues. Bolles? Never really got into him. I am surprised he's being used at LT, but seems to be fairing fairly well there for DNV.
I acknowledge every point you make... I just don't agree with them.
There were supposedly desperate teams last year as well.
There's a chance Joe can play at a high level for 4 more years... many great LTs have. The cap shouldn't be an issue by then, but if we land our QB I expect us to contend by then. Speaking of cap issues... Seattle has just under $4.4mm in 2017 space. Not enough for half of Joe's 2017 contract.
OL picks are getting tougher and tougher to nail... I know... I look at them. Dion Dawkins was my #1 in the Class of 2017. Moton was OK... Lamp better, but had issues. Bolles? Never really got into him. I am surprised he's being used at LT, but seems to be fairing fairly well there for DNV.
From what I hear, 2017 draft had a really weak OL class while the 2018 is supposed to be the opposite. CBSSPORTS just had the Browns taking LT Orlando Brown Jr 1st overall in a way too early mock draft for what it's worth. Lot's of highly graded OL's expected next draft.
I'm not so sure about Thomas playing another 4 years let alone 4 years at a high level! Considering he's played 10k consecutive snaps and if you look at the modern era greats like Orlando Pace, Walter Jones , Jonathan Ogden, Willie Roaf ect all retired around 33 or 34 with their play declining significantly at those ages. Though Andrew Whitworth at 35 is an exception, don't know how many career snaps he's played though.
I look on some Seahawks forums and I see a lot of Joe Thomas proposals. That's why I mentioned the Seahawks! I see proposals like a 1st+2nd or 3rd+throw ins like Rees Odhiambo or Matt Tobin. They suggest they'd make cap room by trading the underutilized Jimmy Graham and CB Jeremy Lane somewhere. They lost their starting LT George Fant to injury a couple weeks ago and their Oline was atrocious in week 1 and has been for the past few seasons.
If they're willing to give the Browns a package like that for Thomas, I'd sure hope they jump all over it.
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So if Kizer works out, which positions would you want addressed with our 1st rounders, if you had your druthers?
So if Kizer works out, which positions would you want addressed with our 1st rounders, if you had your druthers?
See my post above. DBs, WRs.
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Its too early to ssy which positions need addressed. If kizer regresses as the season goes by, well... if nassib and ogbah just suck so bad that garrett gets doubled and chipped everydown for the whole season, well....any potential stud DE's out there next year in the draft or in FA? It just remains to be seen
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But yeah if the draft was happening next week based off what we know so far...wr's would have to be first
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