Hue and the offense

calfoxwc

oh, did I make you mad, mud? It just so happens that Hue bashing is stupid:

from wikipedia:

Cincinnati Bengals

Jackson was the wide receivers coach for the Cincinnati Bengals for 3 seasons. Under Jackson’s tutelage in Cincinnati, Chad Johnson and T. J. Houshmandzadeh became one of the most prolific wide-receiving tandems in the NFL. In 2005, the Johnson-Houshmandzadeh tandem combined to total 175 receptions for 2,388 yards, while helping the team secure the AFC North title and a playoff berth for the first time in 15 years. In 2006, Johnson (1,369 yards) and Houshmandzadeh (1,081 yards) became the first pair of Bengals to eclipse the 1,000-yard receiving mark in a single season. In each of Jackson's 3 years in Cincinnati, Johnson was named to the Pro Bowl.

Baltimore Ravens

From 2008 until 2009, Jackson spent as Baltimore’s quarterbacks coach under head coach John Harbaugh. In 2008, Jackson tutored Joe Flacco, who became the first rookie QB to win two playoff games in NFL history as the Ravens advanced to the AFC Championship game. He helped the Ravens advance to the postseason in both seasons.

Oakland Raiders

In 2010, under Jackson’s guidance as offensive coordinator, the Raiders' offense finished fourth in the AFC and sixth in the NFL in scoring (25.6 points per game). They also finished fifth in the AFC and 10th in the NFL in total offense (354.6 yards per game), and second in the NFL and AFC in rushing (155.9 yards per game). The Raiders more than doubled their scoring output from the previous year, totaling 410 points. Under Jackson's offense, RB Darren McFadden finished the season with 1,157 yards rushing on 223 carries for a 5.2 average yards/carry and 7 rushing touchdowns. McFadden also had 47 receptions for 507 yards and 3 touchdowns. His end of year numbers were 1,664 total yards and 10 total touchdowns for the 2010 NFL season, making McFadden the NFL's 5th leader in total yards from scrimmage for the 2010 season.

After the 2010 season, Jackson was named Oakland Raiders head coach in 2011, succeeding Tom Cable.^[3]

Jackson was fired by the Oakland Raiders on January 10, 2012, after one season as head coach, by new general manager Reggie McKenzie. In his lone season as head coach, the Raiders finished with a record of 8–8 and missed the playoffs after starting the season 7–4.^[4]

calfoxwc

The Browns had bigger fish to fry when building the Browns, they went defense a lot. Next year, I expect

at least one wr in the first round. Maybe even the star wr from....Notre Dame. I think your bitching is just

an attention getting venting bunch of hooey. and you aren't the only emotional devotional rager. It's only the second

game of the season. Too bad you can't wail about how the Browns looked terrible all preseason.

200lbMumford

@the-gipper said:

Again....the only plausible reason is because the Browns are always playing from behind.

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but he's (in my not so humble opinion) abandoning it too early when we're only down 1-2 scores. I like Hue but I'd like to see him change his mindset here a little.

LondonBrown

@200lbmumford said:

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but he's (in my not so humble opinion) abandoning it too early when we're only down 1-2 scores. I like Hue but I'd like to see him change his mindset here a little.

Exactly it's not like we've been 21 points behind in these games. The pass/run ratio with a rookie QB has been stupid.

jiggins7919

@canton-dawg said:

I have several issues with Hue as the OC;

1) Why does it take so long to get the play to the huddle?

2) When the play finally makes it to the QB, they're already short on clock, but Hue has them sidestepping & square dancing before the snap.

3) Why does Hue give up on the running game so quickly?

4) When the Browns have the ball 1st & goal inside the 5, he always tries one of those cute little WR bubble screens (that NEVER work).

My patience with Hue is wearing thin as it is, but he REALLY needs to hire an OC...cause basically he really sucks at it.

Canton just completely nailed it with #4. I've seen these work with OTHER teams, but I've NEVER seen it work with us. Although it wasn't a bubble screen, that play call to have Kizer run it in from the 5 was such bullshit. I don't mind the IDEA, but the play was so awful. He's not fast enough to really get the edge on that, and where is the hole supposed to be there? No, the PROPER play for Kizer to run it in would be a QB draw!! How many times has that effing play worked against us?! I know Dalton has done it like 3 times (at least), Ben probably has, and I'm guessing Flacco for good measure. QB draw...not QB hesitate and lose 4 yards.

I HATE our red zone offense. Hate, hate, hate. In fact, I'm going to make a new thread topic that revolves around this, but I don't have the time right now (I know you all can't wait!).

The Gipper

@200lbmumford said:

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but he's (in my not so humble opinion) abandoning it too early when we're only down 1-2 scores. I like Hue but I'd like to see him change his mindset here a little.

I said that it is plausible reasoning that he abandons the running game because the Browns always are following behind......BUT....I am not sure that is the actual reasoning Hue applies. I think he just falls in love with his own play calling...because he thinks he is some kind of offensive innovator.

How about this for innovation: Instead of having your players running around like chickens with their heads cut off, doing all this hairy high school horseshit with having the WRs, TEs, RBs and anyone and everyone going in motion on every play....you line up your OL and your TE...and you put a fullback in there...and you give the ball to your big fast strong RB....and you run the ball down the fucking throat of the defense. Not on every play....but often enough to show that you can and will manhandle a defense. You spent 100 million dollars on an offensive line to do just that....so fucking do it already.

TexasAg1969

Now why would you want to set up you rookie QB for any PA passes off that formation?

Tour2ma

I'm pretty sure those Wiki refs were authored by Hue...

CaineDeSoulis

in regards to his lone season at oakland... there was a reason to fire him after a year even after going 8-8... for 26 games weve seen his playcalling and his abilities as an offensive guru. PASS

domcucch1994

Hue needs to get a clue, and stop sniffing glue,

hire an Offensive coordinator, who is tried and true..

Put together a team, that can win more than one game

And boost up our spirits, instead of always being lame..

Our Browns must win, and continue to fight

Do whats best for this team

Let's make it right..

Our history is rich.

but the expansion team has been bad

I want to be happy on Sundays

instead of always feeling mad..

We need cheerleaders

not some dude in a bone mask..

We need to stop being bottom-feeders

and get up to the task..

For its 1...2...3 and out disasters

turnovers, and penalties

that make us lose games faster

Clean this up Hue,

and make all of us proud

Because when it is gameday

We all get very loud..

The Gipper

@domcucch1994 said:

Hue needs to get a clue, and stop sniffing glue,

hire an Offensive coordinator, who is tried and true..

Put together a team, that can win more than one game

And boost up our spirits, instead of always being lame..

Our Browns must win, and continue to fight

Do whats best for this team

Let's make it right..

Our history is rich.

but the expansion team has been bad

I want to be happy on Sundays

instead of always feeling mad..

We need cheerleaders

not some dude in a bone mask..

We need to stop being bottom-feeders

and get up to the task..

For its 1...2...3 and out disasters

turnovers, and penalties

that make us lose games faster

Clean this up Hue,

and make all of us proud

Because when it is gameday

We all get very loud..

Tour2ma

And I'm feelin'... GLAD ALL OVER

Yes, I'm... GLAD ALL OVER

Baby, I'm... GLAD ALL OVER

So glad you're mi-i-i-i-i-ine

Tim Couch Pulls Out

I didn't really read any of this thread but I can only assume it went something like this:

someone stupid as fuck - "Hue should be fired, he sucks"

Tour - "Not really, and here's a reason why you're wrong"

someone else stupid as fuck - "FUCK YOU YOURE WRONG HUE SUCKS"

Ghoolie - "Paxton Lynch is good at football and I definitely don't have a tiny dick, have you heard about how successful I am at accordion"

a third person, also stupid as fuck - "This FO sucks, fire them all. We should have drafted Carson Wentz"

LondonBrown

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I didn't really read any of this thread but I can only assume it went something like this:

someone stupid as fuck - "Hue should be fired, he sucks"

Tour - "Not really, and here's a reason why you're wrong"

someone else stupid as fuck - "FUCK YOU YOURE WRONG HUE SUCKS"

Ghoolie - "Paxton Lynch is good at football and I definitely don't have a tiny dick, have you heard about how successful I am at accordion"

a third person, also stupid as fuck - "This FO sucks, fire them all. We should have drafted Carson Wentz"

Lmao

nickers

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I didn't really read any of this thread but I can only assume it went something like this:

someone stupid as fuck - "Hue should be fired, he sucks"

Tour - "Not really, and here's a reason why you're wrong"

someone else stupid as fuck - "FUCK YOU YOURE WRONG HUE SUCKS"

Ghoolie - "Paxton Lynch is good at football and I definitely don't have a tiny dick, have you heard about how successful I am at accordion"

a third person, also stupid as fuck - "This FO sucks, fire them all. We should have drafted Carson Wentz"

It's the same dialogue.. Year in and year out!

The Gipper

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I didn't really read any of this thread but I can only assume it went something like this:

someone stupid as fuck - "Hue should be fired, he sucks"

Tour - "Not really, and here's a reason why you're wrong"

someone else stupid as fuck - "FUCK YOU YOURE WRONG HUE SUCKS"

Ghoolie - "Paxton Lynch is good at football and I definitely don't have a tiny dick, have you heard about how successful I am at accordion"

a third person, also stupid as fuck - "This FO sucks, fire them all. We should have drafted Carson Wentz"

You discount the poetry?

Hempman

I doubt hiring a OC will do much. This is Hue's offense much like the Bengals defense is Marvin's. He needs a capable QB to make the correct reads. Kizer is not that guy.

The Gipper

@hempman said:

I doubt hiring a OC will do much. This is Hue's offense much like the Bengals defense is Marvin's. He needs a capable QB to make the correct reads. Kizer is not that guy.

Way too early.

Orion

Everyone always wants to toss out the OC like everything is HIS fault.

We ran Bruce Arians out of town like a common pygmy.

Mudfly

Well....Ive been on board for an OC since we hired Hue......they need one desperately.....