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  • C Clevfan4life

    This is why i dont want to hear bs about garett. If he doesnt work out, fine...but he was the most talented player in the draft so u take him, PERIOD. We ciuld theoretically gave bosa and garett on this team...i know, they might not Drafted the same position two years in a row. But maybe they should next year. If theres a standout DE in the draft this year we need him. Or a FA whichever. But ffs at least get ogbah off this team. 

    B BaconHound wrote on
    #8

    @clevfan4life said:

    This is why i dont want to hear bs about garett. If he doesnt work out, fine...but he was the most talented player in the draft so u take him, PERIOD. We ciuld theoretically gave bosa and garett on this team...i know, they might not Drafted the same position two years in a row. But maybe they should next year. If theres a standout DE in the draft this year we need him. Or a FA whichever. But ffs at least get ogbah off this team. 

    Nassib in the next great Browns DE

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  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #9

    Im ready to cut ogbah and bring schult up. And if schult doesnt work out start bringing solid looking dudes out of the stands. Hey you, asshole....can u kill a QB? Sweet get in there.  ?

    Im so done with this shit

  • B BaconHound

    @clevfan4life said:

    This is why i dont want to hear bs about garett. If he doesnt work out, fine...but he was the most talented player in the draft so u take him, PERIOD. We ciuld theoretically gave bosa and garett on this team...i know, they might not Drafted the same position two years in a row. But maybe they should next year. If theres a standout DE in the draft this year we need him. Or a FA whichever. But ffs at least get ogbah off this team. 

    Nassib in the next great Browns DE

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #10

    @baconhound said:

    Nassib in the next great Browns DE

    No he is not. Im ok with him for now because he knows how to defend the run. But he sucks at pass rushing

    😕
  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #11

    All of our starting front 4 would struggle to make 2nd string on any other teams in the NFL. 

  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on
    #12

    Yep, so much for this season. 

  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #13

    These 2nd year players if they keep this level of play up, need cut at the end if the year. The rookies get one more year but they need to be told if this shit keeps up well into next season ur gonna sit or get cut. This is bullshit. Players making ZERO progress need to be told ur gone

  • PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on
    #14

    The Defense stepped up in the second half and gave us a chance to get back into the game, only allowing 3 points. That's a plus.

    The drops are partly responsible for Kizer throwing some crazy passes. He needs to get better. 

    The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    The Defense stepped up in the second half and gave us a chance to get back into the game, only allowing 3 points. That's a plus.

    The drops are partly responsible for Kizer throwing some crazy passes. He needs to get better. 

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #15

    @poeticg said:

    The Defense stepped up in the second half and gave us a chance to get back into the game, only allowing 3 points. That's a plus.

    The drops are partly responsible for Kizer throwing some crazy passes. He needs to get better. 

    The colts went to gore more otherwise the score would have been worse. So the defense gets credit for run stopping? The secondary and pass rush are just awful. A healthy andrew luck drops 60 points on this team

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #16

    Which draft? 2016's?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Which draft? 2016's?

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #17

    @tour2ma said:

    Which draft? 2016's?

    Last years draft that was on this FO. Im excluding previous FO's even tho we've done this trade down shit in the past with ither FO's. Im not gonna talk about missing on mack or watkins anymore. 

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #18

    So 2016... I guess. The draft where Sashi & Co. had less time to prep and had not fully installed their staff... OK... got it.

    That said...

    ... I'm going to completely disagree with your stance.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    So 2016... I guess. The draft where Sashi & Co. had less time to prep and had not fully installed their staff... OK... got it.

    That said...

    ... I'm going to completely disagree with your stance.

    B BaconHound wrote on
    #19

    @tour2ma said:

    So 2016... I guess. The draft where Sashi & Co. had less time to prep and had not fully installed their staff... OK... got it.

    That said...

    ... I'm going to completely disagree with your stance.

    Curious as to which first or second round pick you think they got right? Honestly asking.  I think Garrett was spot on but he is not quantifiable at this point.  Jalapeño and Count Dooku are raw but seem to be 50/50 right now.

  • W wargograw wrote on
    #20

    Some of you shouldn't start watching the games yet. It's a work in progress. 

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  • U Unsympathetic wrote on
    #21

    They KNEW peppers was not good at defending the ball in the air. That was a known quantity while at Michigan.  And now they're shocked that he isn't good at defending balls in the air?

    Quote from link   "He has limited experience, and has not displayed the instincts needed to decipher plays quick enough to prevent big catches."

    "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
  • W wargograw

    Some of you shouldn't start watching the games yet. It's a work in progress. 

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #22

    @wargograw said:

    Some of you shouldn't start watching the games yet. It's a work in progress. 

    The "team" is a work in progress. But the lack of individual development in 2nd and 3rd year players is not wip. Cant build anything with less than mediocre players that arent getting better.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    So 2016... I guess. The draft where Sashi & Co. had less time to prep and had not fully installed their staff... OK... got it.

    That said...

    ... I'm going to completely disagree with your stance.

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #23

    @tour2ma said:

    So 2016... I guess. The draft where Sashi & Co. had less time to prep and had not fully installed their staff... OK... got it.

    That said...

    ... I'm going to completely disagree with your stance.

    Irchard, ogbah, nassib, shelton etc....u think they're progressing? 

  • C Clevfan4life

    @wargograw said:

    Some of you shouldn't start watching the games yet. It's a work in progress. 

    The "team" is a work in progress. But the lack of individual development in 2nd and 3rd year players is not wip. Cant build anything with less than mediocre players that arent getting better.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #24

    @clevfan4life said:

    But the lack of individual development in 2nd and 3rd year players is not wip. Cant build anything with less than mediocre players that arent getting better.

    Devalve's not better?

    BBC is not better?

    Kindred?

    How 'bout Schobert?

    Telfer?

    Nassib? Touchy one, but WTF... might as well go for it... 😉

    Then there are a couple reclamation projects we've acquired, e.g., Taylor.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #25

    Two posts crossing in the nite... you first...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @clevfan4life said:

    But the lack of individual development in 2nd and 3rd year players is not wip. Cant build anything with less than mediocre players that arent getting better.

    Devalve's not better?

    BBC is not better?

    Kindred?

    How 'bout Schobert?

    Telfer?

    Nassib? Touchy one, but WTF... might as well go for it... 😉

    Then there are a couple reclamation projects we've acquired, e.g., Taylor.

    B BaconHound wrote on
    #26

    @tour2ma said:

    Devalve's not better?

    BBC is not better?

    Kindred?

    How 'bout Schobert?

    Telfer?

    Nassib? Touchy one, but WTF... might as well go for it... 😉

    Then there are a couple reclamation projects we've acquired, e.g., Taylor.

    Getting better than they started or could start for a playoff team?

    That has been the biggest issue for me.  There’s being NFL good and being Browns good.  

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  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #27

    Devalves getting more touches so cant really tell if he's progressed or not. Schobert has definitely progressed tho ur right, albeit at a diff position he wasnt drafted for. But thats what happens when ur constantly changing regimes.

    Our high picks tho havent given us shit. I expected shelton to have a breakout season due to being a one gap DT now. In college he excelled at blowing up gaps and creating pressure up the middle. Right now oginjobe is our only productive interior lineman in pass rush. I guess we're doing alright in run stops but it seems like meder and shelton are getting moved quite a bit but our lb'er play has covered that up. Its provably only a matter of time before some good running attack gouges us up the middle tho. 

    As for oyr DE's, ive said everything that needs to be said in orevious threads. They're awful in pass rush. Ogbah is black kruger without the good bullrush. The only DE wirth keeping right now is nassib but only because he knows his shit in run D. If he gets hurt teams will start caving in both edges and we're fucked.

    when garret comes back it better be him and nassib on the field. Im over ogbah and orchard. If i was the DC one of those guys would be getting cut and schult would be brought up

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