***Official Browns @ Colts Game Day Thread***

MLD Woody

@baconhound said:

Woody better send an email to football reference and let them know Peppers wasn't a DB in 2014

All I can do is shake my head and sigh

Yes, for three games his freshman year, before injuring himself, he was mostly at CB I believe. His sophomore year he was listed as a Safety that played more like a LB. His third year it was something very similar but they called it LB

We went over all of this when posters decided pre draft they hated him because he went to Michigan. Now we have more idiotic, troll, etc posters deciding they hate him after one bad game and continuing to bring up that he went to Michigan. Though I'm sure they're not biased at all...

Smh

Some of you are just blatantly trolling. Others I don't think you even realize your bias.

MLD Woody

@mudfly said:

Here's the funny part Woody.....you made the post above before ANYONE even said a word......anyone......as if you're begging for someone to pick on your boy and, basically, chiding people for being OSU homers, BEFORE anyone said a word......(of course, I know you got bent outta shape cause the announcers were ripping your boy).....

Then....you post this, saying folks "will be" calling you a homer(again, before it;s even happened)......when YOU are clearly the only one talking about Peppers poor play and what folks are "gonna do"....

And then here....again....you are chiding people on, cause they are not being the homers you(are) and wish they were...

Please!!! Get over the whole college kid thing and grow the hell up....NO ONE CARES WHERE HE PLAYED......he's a BROWN now.....we just want the dude to play well.....and, when he doesnt, it's not because of where he played, it's because he didnt play well...

Holy crap....bad enough to hear all your homer whiny college kiddy bitch stuff....even worse when youre bitchin about it before it even happens.....

Ummm.... you might want to read through this thread again. Peppers was called a faggot on the very first page of this thread. He was called out specifically for his college TWICE before I made that post. So you want to use caps and tell me to get over something when you can't even get your own facts straight. Hell, someone even said ":We could have had Hooker" before I made that post.

So do you want to re read this thread and try again champ?

I'll believe it that "no one cares where he played" when I see it. When there is a thread, before I post, that doesn't rail on him for being a faggot, or from Michigan, or keep bringing up Hooker.

So again, I invite you to actually READ through this thread, test your assumption that I made that post before anything was brought up, and then get back to me. Go ahead.

And when you realize you're wrong, I look forward to how you'll spin your response to still try to get at me for something else.

SD_Tom

I was only marginally trolling because Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans are both obnoxious homers. You want real trolling, when he was drafted, the comments section on Cleveland.com was brutal.

My main point was (aside from the browns never drafting buckeyes) At safety I think most teams would take Hooker over Peppers. If Hooker wasn't injured, I'm sure he would've gone even higher in the draft. That's not a knock on Peppers, I just think Hooker is simply a better safety. I posted their stats to show why people wanted Hooker, and there's a reason scouts were comparing him to Ed Reed. It;s not simply because he's a Buckeye.

Trust me, we all hope Peppers winds up great. Seriously. they need it

Mudfly

@mld-woody said:

Ummm.... you might want to read through this thread again. Peppers was called a faggot on the very first page of this thread. He was called out specifically for his college TWICE before I made that post.When there is a thread, before I post, that doesn't rail on him for being a faggot, or from Michigan, or keep bringing up Hooker.

And when you realize you're wrong, I look forward to how you'll spin your response to still try to get at me for something else.

Ok Woody...you're right.....there was a guy who made a Michigan comment....my bad....missed it

But most of the comments were simply about his poor play.....and we could have had Hooker, who was favored by many(cause he was a good player).....I guess, when I read it, it appears you complain more about the Michigan haters, then there are actual haters complaining about Michigan....

Its kinda like the Manziel thing.....the college love fest kids were one of the worst parts of drafting him.....just hoping we dont have to endure that crap with Peppers too....

MLD Woody

@mudfly said:

Ok Woody...you're right.....there was a guy who made a Michigan comment....my bad....missed it

But most of the comments were simply about his poor play.....and we could have had Hooker, who was favored by many(cause he was a good player).....I guess, when I read it, it appears you complain more about the Michigan haters, then there are actual haters complaining about Michigan....

Its kinda like the Manziel thing.....the college love fest kids were one of the worst parts of drafting him.....just hoping we dont have to endure that crap with Peppers too....

You missed some very blatant college based comments around Peppers in a thread where you called me out for there not being any. I think it's safe to say you're glossing over more. Purposely or not.

No one has joined to just hype Peppers. It's no where near Johnny levels. Everything I've said about Peppers has been accurate. I've said repeatedly in this thread he had a bad game. I'm just calling out those saying he's more or less the worst player ever, which is being greatly influenced by his college, whether others on here realize that or not. It's pretty obvious, but if you're used to being around that bias, you might not notice it.

TexasAg1969

@mld-woody said:

You missed some very blatant college based comments around Peppers in a thread where you called me out for there not being any. I think it's safe to say you're glossing over more. Purposely or not.

No one has joined to just hype Peppers. It's no where near Johnny levels. Everything I've said about Peppers has been accurate. I've said repeatedly in this thread he had a bad game. I'm just calling out those saying he's more or less the worst player ever, which is being greatly influenced by his college, whether others on here realize that or not. It's pretty obvious, but if you're used to being around that bias, you might not notice it.

FWIW-I don't like how they are using Peppers in this new deep centerfield position. Not his fault they are not playing to his hybrid talent. Maybe once Collins and Garrett are playing to full potential it will work better with faster pressure on the QB, but right now it isn't working.

OldBrownsFan

The Browns really needed to win this game. Just as trying to get off to a good start with preseason was important it was critical they win this game and not drop to 0-3. It was a winnable game for them. They found ways to lose the game.

TexasAg1969

Was not sure where to put this, but this is the most ridiculous game crushing penalty I have ever heard of anywhere. Von Miller gets an unsportsmanlike penalty for taking away his offered hand to good friend Tyrod Taylor after he sacks him at a crucial point in the game. They had been messing with one another in a friendly manner throughout the game, but the ref throws the flag on Miller for not helping him up when it appears he was going to. That is ridiculous even if Miller blames himself for the loss because it was called. Even Taylor thought it was funny and more so that it got called.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20807230/von-miller-late-penalty-allowed-buffalo-bills-extend-their-lead-denver-broncos

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

Tell that to the OSU troll that keeps bringing it up...

You are the one that was doing the trolling from what I can read. His posts were only in response to like 3 "poor, poor, pitiful me" posts about Peppers.

And, you know, we still hold YOU personally responsible for his play, you know.

jiggins7919

Well boys, I'm proud of myself. I didn't post at all during the game, and it's a good thing because I was PISSED OFF.

How many of us discussed the poor state of our WR's before the season? How many analysts did the same thing? Hell, our own radio personalities weren't happy about the WR's we had on the roster, and that says something because they don't generally voice too many negative comments about our team. The truly frustrating part is watching guys like Taylor Gabriel, Travis Benjamin, and probably others that we HAD at one point, continue to make NFL plays that matter. Eight drops in an NFL game? Have you ever seen it? I don't think I have, and I don't want to see it again. All of this talk about Ricardo Louis "looking like a new man" and "ready to make the leap"...all bullshit.

Kenny Britt? Nothing new there. His touchdown grab was a thing of beauty, but that doesn't override the other poor plays. Kizer threw him a terrible ball on that pick, but Jesus...sometimes a veteran has to pick up the rookie, and he let him down there. And you know what? GOD FORBID that a few of these drops or deflections hit the effing ground. Do we just have the worst luck in the world? How many balls were up in the air that WE DIDN'T GET TO? The "punt" that Antonio Brown caught? The pass last week where we NAILED Brissett as he threw, but the ball somehow popped straight up in the air RIGHT TO THEIR GUY?! Jesus knows that if that happens to us, there will be a defender coming out of nowhere to make it a pick-6. I'm tired of it. That should've been 7 points for us.

I don't have time to make the kind of post I want to, but maybe I'll have more time this afternoon (I'm sure you all can't wait). What really upsets me is we probably won't score 28 points again ALL DAMN YEAR. And we blew it. Again.

The Gipper

I'll believe it that "no one cares where he played" when I see it. When there is a thread, before I post, that doesn't rail on him for being a faggot, or from Michigan, or keep bringing up Hooker.

I think A. they were talking about you, not Peppers...and B. they were referring to "ladies of the night"...not a football player.

The Gipper

@sd_tom said:

I was only marginally trolling because Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans are both obnoxious homers. You want real trolling, when he was drafted, the comments section on Cleveland.com was brutal.

My main point was (aside from the browns never drafting buckeyes) At safety I think most teams would take Hooker over Peppers. If Hooker wasn't injured, I'm sure he would've gone even higher in the draft. That's not a knock on Peppers, I just think Hooker is simply a better safety. I posted their stats to show why people wanted Hooker, and there's a reason scouts were comparing him to Ed Reed. It;s not simply because he's a Buckeye.

Trust me, we all hope Peppers winds up great. Seriously. they need it

Didn't Hooker go higher in the draft anyway? I thought so. Not sure.

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

You missed some very blatant college based comments around Peppers in a thread where you called me out for there not being any. I think it's safe to say you're glossing over more. Purposely or not.

No one has joined to just hype Peppers. It's no where near Johnny levels. Everything I've said about Peppers has been accurate. I've said repeatedly in this thread he had a bad game. I'm just calling out those saying he's more or less the worst player ever, which is being greatly influenced by his college, whether others on here realize that or not. It's pretty obvious, but if you're used to being around that bias, you might not notice it.

If I recall, you are the one that questioned his coverage ability. That seems to be an issue still. I don't recall anyone questioning his tackling skills...but that was a major issue Sunday....for a while anyway.

Now....try answering the question I posed earlier. Despite his bad performance in the second half (and the even worse performance by Jamar Taylor), something different happened at halftime such that these guys played much better after T.Y. Hilton ran rampant over them in the first half. Do you have a clue what was done to improve things back there?

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:

Was not sure where to put this, but this is the most ridiculous game crushing penalty I have ever heard of anywhere. Von Miller gets an unsportsmanlike penalty for taking away his offered hand to good friend Tyrod Taylor after he sacks him at a crucial point in the game. They had been messing with one another in a friendly manner throughout the game, but the ref throws the flag on Miller for not helping him up when it appears he was going to. That is ridiculous even if Miller blames himself for the loss because it was called. Even Taylor thought it was funny and more so that it got called.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20807230/von-miller-late-penalty-allowed-buffalo-bills-extend-their-lead-denver-broncos

He is to blame. It is tantamount to taunting. They have relaxed the "celebration" rules greatly this year, but if the refs perceive that you taunt a player on the other team, that will still get you flagged. In my opinion, this was justified in this instance.

Tour2ma

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

The bigger problem is that last year Crow was averaging nearly 5 YPC and this year he's averaging 2.9. He's not a game-changing RB, he has questionable vision and he's having a hard time finding the holes. Sometimes he goes off, but as of right now he is a below average back.

I've beat the vision drum for a year+ at this point, but have to remind folks that his gaudy 2016 average was pumped up by more than a few long runs in draw situations when we were behind in games and behind the sticks.

@tiamat63 said:

My issue so far isn't Peppers alignment but two glarring plays he did exactly what stat treads said - missed tackles. Bad.

Tackling was a questions to be sure, but I did not think bad angles were part of the mix... and Sunday they were. Maybe the difference is they space in which he is now playing, but on that point...

Am I crazy or did Gregg abandon how he asked our 2ndary to play this week? Where was the press coverage of the WRs? Seemed like 5 to 10 yd cushions were the order of the day... all day.

SD_Tom

@the-gipper said:

Didn't Hooker go higher in the draft anyway? I thought so. Not sure.

He went 15th.... He's got 2 picks already

Tour2ma

@wargograw said:

Seriously though, Chubb's pretty overrated.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Why is he overrated?

EDIT: He’s the 41st ranked player on CBS’ Big Board and the 5th ranked RB. He’s not ranked very high and is averaging 6.8 YPC for his career, has two 1100+ yard seasons and IMO has some of the best vision of any draft eligible RB this year.

Agree... looks like value to me.

@jiggins7919 said:

The truly frustrating part is watching guys like Taylor Gabriel, Travis Benjamin, and probably others that we HAD at one point, continue to make NFL plays that matter.

Kizer threw him a terrible ball on that pick, but Jesus...sometimes a veteran has to pick up the rookie, and he let him down there.

Gabe and Benji are not #1's with their current teams. Benji's a 2. Gabe's a 3. Both at least one spot lower than we asked them to be when they were ours. You want to decry our not having a #1 WR that can either get on or stay on the field? Fine... but at least see those that "got away" for what they are.
That ball was uncatchable.

Tour2ma

@sd_tom said:

He went 15th.... He's got 2 picks already

His Centerfield capability was never in question.

A word on Peppers... I'm not down on the guy and he may be the most well-suited DB we have for his current role, but I don't think any of us thought this was the role we drafted him to play.

I can see a FS in our future Draft plans. I just hope there are half as many candidates in the upcoming draft as there were in the 2017 one.

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

did Gregg abandon how he asked our 2ndary to play this week? Where was the press coverage of the WRs? Seemed like 5 to 10 yd cushions were the order of the day... all day.

I couldn't explain that if I wanted to. In the modern NFL you simply have to challenge receivers at the line or pattern match on a bump. Unless you have either Champ Bailey or some elite off ball CB? Other option is some type of bluff look and you get a DB or LB rolling to a cloud or flat. Not re-routing a receiver with a young QB throwing to him is making their day easier, nothing more nothing less.

TexasAg1969

@the-gipper said:

He is to blame. It is tantamount to taunting. They have relaxed the "celebration" rules greatly this year, but if the refs perceive that you taunt a player on the other team, that will still get you flagged. In my opinion, this was justified in this instance.

Yeah and he owns up to it. But still if you are the ref and you've been listening to the banter and laughter between them all game and you hear the QB laughing at the hand withdrawal, you just might give a little leeway rather than "by the book".