Saquon Barkley
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You rang? You list your Day One, RB Difference-makers in the last ten-years, and for everyone you do, I'll list non-Day One RBs that are making just as big of a difference. I think I can at least best you by a 2:1 ratio...
And who is doing your
passing... I mean... handing off?What? You want research? Ok give me a few days.
Kaiser Prescott is handing off.
What? You want research? Ok give me a few days.
Few days? For a list that should come off the top of your head... while playing racquetball?
Oh, well... here's 2017 to start you off... http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker#dt-by-position:dt-by-position/dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-position-input:rb
Player Pos Ht Wt College Pick Team Grade 
Watch Fournette, Leonard RB 6'0" 240 LSU Pick 4, Round 1 (4) Jaguars 6.8 Cook, Dalvin RB 5'10" 210 Florida St. Pick 9, Round 2 (41) Vikings 6.2 Mixon, Joe RB 6'1" 226 Oklahoma Pick 16, Round 2 (48) Bengals 6.0 McCaffrey, Christian RB 5'11" 202 Stanford Pick 8, Round 1 (8) Panthers 6.0 Kamara, Alvin RB 5'10" 214 Tennessee Pick 3, Round 3 (67) Saints 5.9 Foreman, D'Onta RB 6'0" 233 Texas Pick 25, Round 3 (89) Texans 5.7 Perine, Samaje RB 5'11" 233 Oklahoma Pick 7, Round 4 (114) Redskins 5.6 McNichols, Jeremy RB 5'9" 214 Boise St. Pick 18, Round 5 (162) Buccaneers 5.6 Mack, Marlon RB 5'11" 213 South Florida Pick 37, Round 4 (143) Colts 5.5 Hunt, Kareem RB 5'10" 216 Toledo Pick 22, Round 3 (86) Chiefs 5.5 -
Gotta agree with Tour on this one. Not only is RB the position with the shortest shelf life, but the position that is easiest to fill in later rounds. Every year there's a mid-late round RB who comes out of nowhere to become a star.
Gotta agree with Tour on this one. Not only is RB the position with the shortest shelf life, but the position that is easiest to fill in later rounds. Every year there's a mid-late round RB who comes out of nowhere to become a star.
Agreed. Kareem Hunt is a 3rd rounder and is killing it right now. RB talent is abundant in the middle rounds.
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RB won't change a thing if he's only getting 15 touches a game.. against the Colts Crow had 12. Run game will only have issues after total non-QB carries >30.. If he's going to pass that much then RB isn't a need.
RB won't change a thing if he's only getting 15 touches a game.. against the Colts Crow had 12. Run game will only have issues after total non-QB carries >30.. If he's going to pass that much then RB isn't a need.
Well, certainly if the Browns are going to continue to get down by scores of 24-10 or 28-7...they ain't going to be doing much running of the ball. Lets see if they can get a game where they can go up by 28-7..then what?:
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Barkley is an animal
But we aren't a team that can afford to take a HB high. I don't like using high draft picks on HBs in general. But at the very least you need a team around that HB first. I would say you only take a HB that high if it is your missing piece
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Barkley is an animal
But we aren't a team that can afford to take a HB high. I don't like using high draft picks on HBs in general. But at the very least you need a team around that HB first. I would say you only take a HB that high if it is your missing piece
Barkley is an animal
But we aren't a team that can afford to take a HB high. I don't like using high draft picks on HBs in general. But at the very least you need a team around that HB first. I would say you only take a HB that high if it is your missing piece
They haven't termed them "HBs" since like the 60s or 70s. How old are you and when did you time warp on to this planet?
Nevertheless....I actually like the use of the term Halfback. You had a halfback and a fullback. It meant that you actually had two people on the field that were fully capable of carrying the football. Some of the greatest runners were termed Fullbacks.....Jim Brown, Jim Taylor, Cookie Gilchrist, Franco Harris, Joe Perry, Marion Motley. etc. They were often the primary ball carrier...and were the bigger back. Sometime however, the primary ball carrier just became the "Running Back"...and the Fullback was relegated to just blocking duties. The last guy that was termed a fullback that may have been a team's primary RB was perhaps Mike Alstott or the Bucs....and he was it for even 20 years before he came around. Even Mack and Byner were not really given the terminology of Fullback and Halfback. (though, I think, in essence, that is what they were). I have thought that it may be fresh if Crowell and Johnson could do it like Mack and Byner did.....a fullback and a halfback, both capable. But that is not the way offenses are built....nor termed these days.
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I didn't realize when I responded earlier about Barkley that there was a thread specifically about him, so here goes again:
He is a great talent, undeniably so. I just can't see the Browns taking him with their (most likely) top 5 overall pick. He won't be around (most likely again) with the Browns second 1st rounder, via the Texans. Taking a RB with a top 5 overall pick is about the most un-analytic move I can think of, and we know this front office is into the analytics.
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Gotta agree with Tour on this one. Not only is RB the position with the shortest shelf life, but the position that is easiest to fill in later rounds. Every year there's a mid-late round RB who comes out of nowhere to become a star.
Agreed. Kareem Hunt is a 3rd rounder and is killing it right now. RB talent is abundant in the middle rounds.
Agreed. Kareem Hunt is a 3rd rounder and is killing it right now. RB talent is abundant in the middle rounds.
To me Kareem Hunt is a scratch off ticket that paid off big time. I dont see a lot of guys like that slipping to us in the 3rd? Maybe I am wrong. Mixon and Cook likely would have been 1st round picks without the off field issues.
Relative to what we have now and catching the ball they need to use Duke much more.
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BPA period. No more drafting for need unless theres multiple high level guys at where we're picking. Im still hopeful we wont have the 1st pick so darnold is prob out of the picture for us. If barkley is there we have to take him if theres no one better on the board. We need "talent". If theres a STUD Dl or DE on the board that will have a bigger imoacy on the team than batkley, we take him.
Too early to talk draft. We need to stop this.
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Like Barkley a lot. Was Zeke a waste of a pick that early? You cannot tell me Dak wasn't helped out by Zeke tremendously,
Barkley is an instant game changer, and takes the pressure off a QB. He's a monster. Power cleans 405, squats 650, runs a 4.3-4.4.
Can't think of a better division to have a killer RB than the AFC north
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well, if anybody drafts St. Brown, imho, wr, because they need a wr, and Barkley was there...
that would be a disaster I think.
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Enjoy the now of football.You could not wait to get it back but as Sad Browns Fans do over & Over year after year
They create wishful next year Topics..Ha..Ha!! Kareem Hunt is no lucky scratch off ticket. 1)He got caught in the lower level of competition league in MAC..2) He had a bad day in The Underwear Olympics with slow 40 time.(Dayes too).Whoopee Shit..Some are just play-makers on the field that go faster against competition..Hue had both in senior bowl..Both got started playing 11 games as freshman in 13. Hunt-782 carries-4945 yards-6.3 yards/carry.(a 3rd rd.).....Dayes-550 carries-2856 yards-5.2 yards/carry.(a 7th rd)...Hunt fell into a great spot at KC with No #1 RB...Dayes fell into a Contract Season of I.Crowell...Big Difference, Far Too many reasons to just wait till the declared List is actually out.(we have a slow moving college football tread also?).But have at it, it always makes for some LOL's after only WEEK 3..
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I have to go with BPA too and if that's Barkley or Guice I would have no problem. Walterfootball has us taking Barkley @ #5 and Ridley @ #6. Browns fans would be whooping and hollering over those two. Same if it were Guice and Kirk if it so happened they were BPA when our picks come up.
All that said I would start Dayes over anyone we have currently. Crowell just is not the answer. The crow seems more like the bat with no sonar system to me.
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Not sure how I feel about Ridley as an NFL guy. He’s just so skinny.
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Not sure how I feel about Ridley as an NFL guy. He’s just so skinny.
So your ruling out Kirk and Ridley now? How about St. Brown. He's 6'5" 204 lbs. Pretty skinny too.
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Gotta agree with Tour on this one. Not only is RB the position with the shortest shelf life, but the position that is easiest to fill in later rounds. Every year there's a mid-late round RB who comes out of nowhere to become a star.
Agreed. Kareem Hunt is a 3rd rounder and is killing it right now. RB talent is abundant in the middle rounds.
Agreed. Kareem Hunt is a 3rd rounder and is killing it right now. RB talent is abundant in the middle rounds.
OK-ruling out all those from the CBS list here that are estimated to go in rounds 1 & 2, who would you want that's left starting with Myles Gaskin on down?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2018/RB
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Agreed. Kareem Hunt is a 3rd rounder and is killing it right now. RB talent is abundant in the middle rounds.
OK-ruling out all those from the CBS list here that are estimated to go in rounds 1 & 2, who would you want that's left starting with Myles Gaskin on down?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2018/RB
OK-ruling out all those from the CBS list here that are estimated to go in rounds 1 & 2, who would you want that's left starting with Myles Gaskin on down?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2018/RB
At this point, I am not buying much into potential draft choices. By seasons end, half those kids could be UDFA and a bunch of unknowns could take their place.
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BPA period. No more drafting for need unless theres multiple high level guys at where we're picking. Im still hopeful we wont have the 1st pick so darnold is prob out of the picture for us. If barkley is there we have to take him if theres no one better on the board. We need "talent". If theres a STUD Dl or DE on the board that will have a bigger imoacy on the team than batkley, we take him.
Too early to talk draft. We need to stop this.
BPA period. No more drafting for need unless theres multiple high level guys at where we're picking. Im still hopeful we wont have the 1st pick so darnold is prob out of the picture for us. If barkley is there we have to take him if theres no one better on the board. We need "talent". If theres a STUD Dl or DE on the board that will have a bigger imoacy on the team than batkley, we take him.
Too early to talk draft. We need to stop this.
CBS has a DE from LSU rated as the #1 overall prospect.....but....he seems a bit of a Barkevious Mingo clone. Tall, skinnyish.
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Mayes has to be having blitz p/u issues in practice. That is the only reason I can see us continuing to use Crow exclusively in run/pass situations. Mayes has better vision and hands.
Duke's use has improved... seeing far more business as a receiver. So that tells me that our Offensive staff does not have their heads up their butts.
On the Draft... Yes, BPA, but among the positions of need. And with QB still TBD every other position has to take a backseat as of now. Are WR and RB in the mix? Sure, but so are FS, CB, LB and Edge with DT close behind. Depth of the class at any of these positions is also a factor and also TBD.
Bottom line: It's still way too early to be prescriptive about use of our Day One and Day Two picks at the position level let alone the particular player level.
On drafting RBs... Vision, vision, vision. I was thinking about this last nite and while you can find that quality in a power run Offense, it is simply not as assured as programs that feature the ZBS. Give me a guy that sees ZBS creases and has one-cut, plant a foot and go talent, and I guarantee you he can adapt to the power game. Vice versa carries no guarantees... something BAMA backs have shown us in recent years.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Mayes has to be having blitz p/u issues in practice. That is the only reason I can see us continuing to use Crow exclusively in run/pass situations. Mayes has better vision and hands.
Duke's use has improved... seeing far more business as a receiver. So that tells me that our Offensive staff does not have their heads up their butts.
On the Draft... Yes, BPA, but among the positions of need. And with QB still TBD every other position has to take a backseat as of now. Are WR and RB in the mix? Sure, but so are FS, CB, LB and Edge with DT close behind. Depth of the class at any of these positions is also a factor and also TBD.
Bottom line: It's still way too early to be prescriptive about use of our Day One and Day Two picks at the position level let alone the particular player level.
On drafting RBs... Vision, vision, vision. I was thinking about this last nite and while you can find that quality in a power run Offense, it is simply not as assured as programs that feature the ZBS. Give me a guy that sees ZBS creases and has one-cut, plant a foot and go talent, and I guarantee you he can adapt to the power game. Vice versa carries no guarantees... something BAMA backs have shown us in recent years.
Mayes has to be having blitz p/u issues in practice. That is the only reason I can see us continuing to use Crow exclusively in run/pass situations. Mayes has better vision and hands.
TWEET! Tweet! That's A 5 yard misleading penalty on Tourma.🥷.The last 2 out of 3 game post, Tourma has "been giving us the business" on miss-spelling this mystery Mayes guy..From WOOFPack Nation..His mama named him Matthew Dayes #27...From Dayes having to earn his way up from ST's (bad read on punt block Pitts.) I would not eliminate ball security either..Can't say Dayes did not lay the ball on the ground with some fumbles..Hope to see Dayes & Duke platooned to find some more weapons..Weapons do no good on sidelines Jackson? And Tourma's is just dying laughing to be a Mama Dayes biggest Fan
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lol... Dayes? Well then... who the fuck is Mayes?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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