***Official Browns @ Colts Game Day Thread***
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Bottom line....they let T.Y. Hilton run wild in the first half. Let's see Jamar Taylor and Peppers scores....because they were scorched.
I have asked a few times what adjustments the Browns made in the second half to have they do so much better........One of them may have been to take Taylor off and put McCourty on Hilton.
I don't really know...just speculating...but it is plausible.
Bottom line....they let T.Y. Hilton run wild in the first half. Let's see Jamar Taylor and Peppers scores....because they were scorched.
I have asked a few times what adjustments the Browns made in the second half to have they do so much better........One of them may have been to take Taylor off and put McCourty on Hilton.
I don't really know...just speculating...but it is plausible.
From my viewpoint, the coverage was a lot tighter on Hilton in the second half. They should have done it a lot earlier....
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You know why we never give shit to Ohio State players? Because we don't have any. But when we did we gave them shit too. What was the nickname for Robiskie....which is like the last OSU player on this team? Can't remember it has been so long...but it wasn't flattering.
We just cut a couple OSU players and I didnt hear a peep....both Hartline and Whitner were OSU stars that were just here recently.....
We also signed and cut an OSU DB this past year....cant remember his name though.....
We just cut a couple OSU players and I didnt hear a peep....both Hartline and Whitner were OSU stars that were just here recently.....
We also signed and cut an OSU DB this past year....cant remember his name though.....
OK, but we didn't draft them. Would that have made a difference?
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Bottom line....they let T.Y. Hilton run wild in the first half. Let's see Jamar Taylor and Peppers scores....because they were scorched.
I have asked a few times what adjustments the Browns made in the second half to have they do so much better........One of them may have been to take Taylor off and put McCourty on Hilton.
I don't really know...just speculating...but it is plausible.
From my viewpoint, the coverage was a lot tighter on Hilton in the second half. They should have done it a lot earlier....
From my viewpoint, the coverage was a lot tighter on Hilton in the second half. They should have done it a lot earlier....
Is that all there was to it? Just play tighter on him? Were they giving him like 5-7 yards of space off the line of scrimmage?
To quote Sherlock Holmes: Can it be just that absurdly simple?
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Tackling was a questions to be sure, but I did not think bad angles were part of the mix... and Sunday they were. Maybe the difference is they space in which he is now playing, but on that point...
Good tackling and proper angles go hand in hand.
JT Barrett isn't a shifty man and he hit Peppers with a move 2 years ago that made him look silly. Needless to say I watched closely during a lot of other UM games following said time. Pursuit angles aren't as much of an issue when you're as close to the line with a singular assignment like Jabrill was for the better part of two years.
Now, does he have the athletic ability and drive to clean this up? Sure. Does he have the in game kinetic awareness, depth perception and field vision? Remains to be seen. However the explosive punt returning has been MIA since the draft.
... angles aren't as much of an issue when you're as close to the line with a singular assignment like Jabrill was for the better part of two years.
Exactly what I was getting at with my "space" comment.
On Peppers' tackling... I remember his highlight package including a number of considerably less than "form tackles". In fact I am hard pressed to remember a form tackle let alone a "big hit". I can remember a couple times when he bypassed opportunities to thump.
While the former can be dismissed by the fact he got them on the ground, it might have been a harbinger of the "space problem" we saw Sunday. The latter? Does Peppers have a taste for contact?
Woody? My bad memory? I know it's not my Big Blue bias...
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im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
Pretty much. Yeah
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im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
Pretty much. Yeah
Pretty much. Yeah
No.....we already corrected that record.
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I preached against Manziel to anyone that would listen predraft and when those issues carried over into the pro's I made sure to highlight that. Must have been because I hate A&M, huh?
Unlike Johnny I'm more willing to give Jabrill the benefit of the doubt. Because he has the physical gifts, the work ethic and he's not an insufferable party douche.
I'm pulling for him because, god damn do we need it. I'm also on record as saying - it's not a pick I would have made.
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I preached against Manziel to anyone that would listen predraft and when those issues carried over into the pro's I made sure to highlight that. Must have been because I hate A&M, huh?
Unlike Johnny I'm more willing to give Jabrill the benefit of the doubt. Because he has the physical gifts, the work ethic and he's not an insufferable party douche.
I'm pulling for him because, god damn do we need it. I'm also on record as saying - it's not a pick I would have made.
I preached against Manziel to anyone that would listen predraft and when those issues carried over into the pro's I made sure to highlight that. Must have been because I hate A&M, huh?
Unlike Johnny I'm more willing to give Jabrill the benefit of the doubt. Because he has the physical gifts, the work ethic and he's not an insufferable party douche.
I'm pulling for him because, god damn do we need it. I'm also on record as saying - it's not a pick I would have made.
Well, one point about Peppers is that, even though he is only 3 games into his career....you have to ask if he is being used properly....or is Williams still experimenting with his skill set.
As I said earlier, one of the main things that was hoping for at least here in his rookie season was for him to really give us something in the return game. So far, nada. Not all his fault because almost every kickoff these days is a touchback, and they have been punting the ball out of bounds on him. But he really had a chance in that last minute of the Colts game....and he cacked up a furball....and he knew it.
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Honestly at this point I'm having a hard time trying to pinpoint what his coverage responsibility is. As far as I can tell its "every stays in front, secure the tackle". Fundamental stuff.
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Honestly at this point I'm having a hard time trying to pinpoint what his coverage responsibility is. As far as I can tell its "every stays in front, secure the tackle". Fundamental stuff.
Honestly at this point I'm having a hard time trying to pinpoint what his coverage responsibility is. As far as I can tell its "every stays in front, secure the tackle". Fundamental stuff.
Yup... and in fairness... TY Hilton in space and at speed is not a target on who I'd want to see any FS have to close a great distance.
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Honestly at this point I'm having a hard time trying to pinpoint what his coverage responsibility is. As far as I can tell its "every stays in front, secure the tackle". Fundamental stuff.
Yup... and in fairness... TY Hilton in space and at speed is not a target on who I'd want to see any FS have to close a great distance.
Yup... and in fairness... TY Hilton in space and at speed is not a target on who I'd want to see any FS have to close a great distance.
That's true, TY is a shifty mofo. However the move near the sidelines is just something that really sticks out to me. Target the runners infield shoulder and don't run sideways. Quite literally Peppers did the opposite hauling ass to get over there.
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I preached against Manziel to anyone that would listen predraft and when those issues carried over into the pro's I made sure to highlight that. Must have been because I hate A&M, huh?
Unlike Johnny I'm more willing to give Jabrill the benefit of the doubt. Because he has the physical gifts, the work ethic and he's not an insufferable party douche.
I'm pulling for him because, god damn do we need it. I'm also on record as saying - it's not a pick I would have made.
Well, one point about Peppers is that, even though he is only 3 games into his career....you have to ask if he is being used properly....or is Williams still experimenting with his skill set.
As I said earlier, one of the main things that was hoping for at least here in his rookie season was for him to really give us something in the return game. So far, nada. Not all his fault because almost every kickoff these days is a touchback, and they have been punting the ball out of bounds on him. But he really had a chance in that last minute of the Colts game....and he cacked up a furball....and he knew it.
Well, one point about Peppers is that, even though he is only 3 games into his career....you have to ask if he is being used properly....or is Williams still experimenting with his skill set.
As I said earlier, one of the main things that was hoping for at least here in his rookie season was for him to really give us something in the return game. So far, nada. Not all his fault because almost every kickoff these days is a touchback, and they have been punting the ball out of bounds on him. But he really had a chance in that last minute of the Colts game....and he cacked up a furball....and he knew it.
He was above average with the returns he got in the preseason. Now teams are avoiding giving him opportunities. What you'd expect.
Also, our ST coach told Peppers he made the right decision on that fair catch (according to Peppers last interview), though Peppers feels he should have attempted something.
(He also said he didn't sleep for two days after the game)
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Well, one point about Peppers is that, even though he is only 3 games into his career....you have to ask if he is being used properly....or is Williams still experimenting with his skill set.
As I said earlier, one of the main things that was hoping for at least here in his rookie season was for him to really give us something in the return game. So far, nada. Not all his fault because almost every kickoff these days is a touchback, and they have been punting the ball out of bounds on him. But he really had a chance in that last minute of the Colts game....and he cacked up a furball....and he knew it.
He was above average with the returns he got in the preseason. Now teams are avoiding giving him opportunities. What you'd expect.
Also, our ST coach told Peppers he made the right decision on that fair catch (according to Peppers last interview), though Peppers feels he should have attempted something.
(He also said he didn't sleep for two days after the game)
He was above average with the returns he got in the preseason. Now teams are avoiding giving him opportunities. What you'd expect.
Also, our ST coach told Peppers he made the right decision on that fair catch (according to Peppers last interview), though Peppers feels he should have attempted something.
(He also said he didn't sleep for two days after the game)
Well, kickoffs have become ridiculous in the NFL. How many are returned? I know they want to avoid injuries, but sorry, they took out one of the most exciting elements of the game.
And the ST coach was just powdering his tush. He should have tried to return it. He had plenty of room to run. He can make up for it Sunday by doing a Metcalf double take:
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The danger in trying to return a punt with little time left is burning a lot of it running east and west in a desperate attempt to "win the game".
But a disciplined return? Yeah... he had some room to get started and if he simply takes what is in front of him, it was worth a shot since the clock stops at the end of the return.
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He was above average with the returns he got in the preseason. Now teams are avoiding giving him opportunities. What you'd expect.
Also, our ST coach told Peppers he made the right decision on that fair catch (according to Peppers last interview), though Peppers feels he should have attempted something.
(He also said he didn't sleep for two days after the game)
Well, kickoffs have become ridiculous in the NFL. How many are returned? I know they want to avoid injuries, but sorry, they took out one of the most exciting elements of the game.
And the ST coach was just powdering his tush. He should have tried to return it. He had plenty of room to run. He can make up for it Sunday by doing a Metcalf double take:
Well, kickoffs have become ridiculous in the NFL. How many are returned? I know they want to avoid injuries, but sorry, they took out one of the most exciting elements of the game.
And the ST coach was just powdering his tush. He should have tried to return it. He had plenty of room to run. He can make up for it Sunday by doing a Metcalf double take:
Here's hoping the Bengals punter out kicks his coverage unit twice
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Yup... and in fairness... TY Hilton in space and at speed is not a target on who I'd want to see any FS have to close a great distance.
That's true, TY is a shifty mofo. However the move near the sidelines is just something that really sticks out to me. Target the runners infield shoulder and don't run sideways. Quite literally Peppers did the opposite hauling ass to get over there.
That's true, TY is a shifty mofo. However the move near the sidelines is just something that really sticks out to me. Target the runners infield shoulder and don't run sideways. Quite literally Peppers did the opposite hauling ass to get over there.
What really stuck out to me (all game) was Jamar Taylor may have played a even worse game than Peppers? I think we are talking about the same play? Talk about poor tackling angles? Watch as "Rickie Bobby" J.Taylor does a half victory lap around TY on sidelines..AJ Green may put 200 yards on J.Taylor if he plays that kind of game again?
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That's true, TY is a shifty mofo. However the move near the sidelines is just something that really sticks out to me. Target the runners infield shoulder and don't run sideways. Quite literally Peppers did the opposite hauling ass to get over there.
What really stuck out to me (all game) was Jamar Taylor may have played a even worse game than Peppers? I think we are talking about the same play? Talk about poor tackling angles? Watch as "Rickie Bobby" J.Taylor does a half victory lap around TY on sidelines..AJ Green may put 200 yards on J.Taylor if he plays that kind of game again?
What really stuck out to me (all game) was Jamar Taylor may have played a even worse game than Peppers? I think we are talking about the same play? Talk about poor tackling angles? Watch as "Rickie Bobby" J.Taylor does a half victory lap around TY on sidelines..AJ Green may put 200 yards on J.Taylor if he plays that kind of game again?
Taylor was terrible. Browns definitely need to draft a cover corner very high......or get one as a FA....and not a bargain basement guy either.\
(and no, I don't think that Haden could have done any better at all)
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What really stuck out to me (all game) was Jamar Taylor may have played a even worse game than Peppers? I think we are talking about the same play? Talk about poor tackling angles? Watch as "Rickie Bobby" J.Taylor does a half victory lap around TY on sidelines..AJ Green may put 200 yards on J.Taylor if he plays that kind of game again?
Taylor was terrible. Browns definitely need to draft a cover corner very high......or get one as a FA....and not a bargain basement guy either.\
(and no, I don't think that Haden could have done any better at all)
Taylor was terrible. Browns definitely need to draft a cover corner very high......or get one as a FA....and not a bargain basement guy either.\
(and no, I don't think that Haden could have done any better at all)
Starting to see maybe why Fins traded Taylor to us to move up in 7th round? In 2016 we traded back a 7th (223) to 250 & grabbed S.Wright & J.Taylor came along from Fins..Taylor wanted paid as a #1 CB but simply I think were starting to see that..Taylor's not a bad CB to pick-up in 7th, but not paying Taylor 1st corner money neither..You were correct on we did move McCourtny to TY in 2nd half..Did shut TY down but Taylor moved to Moncrief which Taylor could not cover him either..Hope for CB Howard Wilson to get back soon..we got to take a good look. I like McCoutny & Wilson both being 6'1"corners..AJ Green comes to town at 6'4",I like McCourtny as a better match-up on Green than Taylor...
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Taylor was terrible. Browns definitely need to draft a cover corner very high......or get one as a FA....and not a bargain basement guy either.\
(and no, I don't think that Haden could have done any better at all)
Starting to see maybe why Fins traded Taylor to us to move up in 7th round? In 2016 we traded back a 7th (223) to 250 & grabbed S.Wright & J.Taylor came along from Fins..Taylor wanted paid as a #1 CB but simply I think were starting to see that..Taylor's not a bad CB to pick-up in 7th, but not paying Taylor 1st corner money neither..You were correct on we did move McCourtny to TY in 2nd half..Did shut TY down but Taylor moved to Moncrief which Taylor could not cover him either..Hope for CB Howard Wilson to get back soon..we got to take a good look. I like McCoutny & Wilson both being 6'1"corners..AJ Green comes to town at 6'4",I like McCourtny as a better match-up on Green than Taylor...
Starting to see maybe why Fins traded Taylor to us to move up in 7th round? In 2016 we traded back a 7th (223) to 250 & grabbed S.Wright & J.Taylor came along from Fins..Taylor wanted paid as a #1 CB but simply I think were starting to see that..Taylor's not a bad CB to pick-up in 7th, but not paying Taylor 1st corner money neither..You were correct on we did move McCourtny to TY in 2nd half..Did shut TY down but Taylor moved to Moncrief which Taylor could not cover him either..Hope for CB Howard Wilson to get back soon..we got to take a good look. I like McCoutny & Wilson both being 6'1"corners..AJ Green comes to town at 6'4",I like McCourtny as a better match-up on Green than Taylor...
Isn't Wilson on permanent IR list?
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