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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Interesting tweet... can't testify to the source, however... or what gap there is in "the top six."

    Chris Towers‏Verified account @CTowersCBS

    Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, and Deshone Kizer are top-3 in deep pass attempts. All three are also top-6 in deep passing accuracy.

    @tour2ma said:

    Interesting tweet... can't testify to the source, however... or what gap there is in "the top six."

    Chris Towers‏Verified account @CTowersCBS

    Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, and Deshone Kizer are top-3 in deep pass attempts. All three are also top-6 in deep passing accuracy.

    Yeah...but what does this stat even mean?.....he is 6th in passes over 20 yds, but dead last in passes over 40......and he's ranked 34th in average per pass att at only 6 yds per......(Hogan is ranked 4th with a 10 yd plus avg, btw)

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  • lol... Well also saw where Kizer led the league in short passing... so consistent with your reported 34th ranking.

    Meaning? I think that all adds up to... he throws a lot.

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  • ....been raining so I watched the Colts/Browns game.

    IMO, Keizer didn't do too badly.   He's credited with 3 INT's...but really, 1 was a Hail-Mary at the end of the game and another was when the new receiver zigged inside what Keizer thought would be a zag outside.  - The INT to Britt was on Keizer because he threw it well behind him....but a GOOD receiver could've made a real nice catch there to save the day...obviously Britt is not a GOOD receiver.

    Also, Al Saunders has to tweak his teaching technique.  Three offensive pass interference penalties in one game is pretty bizarre. 

    And finally, the drops.  Yup, they didn't help Keizer at all.  Granted not all of them were drops in the classic sense that the receiver just plain stone handed the ball.  Some of 'em were caused by the defender doing a good job of tackling with his arms and hands in the right position to 'cause' a drop.  But there were plenty of drops.

    I agree with Joe Thomas, Keizer played fairly well....especially for a 21 year old rookie.  -  I think he will struggle against the Bengals front 7 however.

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  • Benn posting some stats from https://www.playerprofiler.com lately and finally got curious about Kizer.

    Couple interesting stats:

    • +0.07 Supporting Cast Efficiency (#22); 88.9% Protection Rate (#18)
    • 1 Money Throw (#23); 7 Interceptable Passes (#1); 15 Danger Plays (#1)
    • 63.5 True Passer Rating (#36); 1.26 Receiver Target Separation (#25); 15 Dropped passes (#1)

    Full stats and term definitions here: https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/deshone-kizer/

    Looked at a few other QBs for comparison sake. Flacco was one interesting one.

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  • Good stats there......He and his receiving corp create the perfect storm.....

    #1 in drops.....#1 in interceptable passes....#1 in dangerous passes.....and #36 in passer rating(with only 32 teams).....

    Last 2 games his completion percentage is in the 40's and has declined each game......gotta do much better than that to even sniff a win.....Time to stop the game to game decline and actually start improving.....

    A good start would include some RB screens and play action(which means we run the run too).....Hue, can you do this?

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Good stats there......He and his receiving corp create the perfect storm.....

    #1 in drops.....#1 in interceptable passes....#1 in dangerous passes.....and #36 in passer rating(with only 32 teams).....

    Last 2 games his completion percentage is in the 40's and has declined each game......gotta do much better than that to even sniff a win.....Time to stop the game to game decline and actually start improving.....

    A good start would include some RB screens and play action(which means we run the run too).....Hue, can you do this?

    @mudfly said:

    A good start would include some RB screens and play action(which means we run the run too).....Hue, can you do this?

    And here-in lies the problem with Mr. "Long passes downfield when you have no working running game" Jackson. Keep to this and Hogan will be in by 3rd Q.

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    @mudfly said:

    A good start would include some RB screens and play action(which means we run the run too).....Hue, can you do this?

    And here-in lies the problem with Mr. "Long passes downfield when you have no working running game" Jackson. Keep to this and Hogan will be in by 3rd Q.

    @texasag1969 said:

    And here-in lies the problem with Mr. "Long passes downfield when you have no working running game" Jackson. Keep to this and Hogan will be in by 3rd Q.

    And I dont think Hue will make the adjustments needed.....based upon this discussion going way back to last season and Hues 2 seasons worth of insistence that "we will run the ball"...I expect more of the same pass happy long ball stuff.....stubbornly standing his ground...er air....

    Hues Formula = fall behind and pass away.....(pun intended)

  • I thought the support ranking of #22 was surprisingly high... especially in light of the drops.

    Hope we see Kizer under Center early and often. Sets up your Rx...

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  • He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

    Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

    nickersN Tour2maT MudflyM 3 Replies

  • Interesting how desperate Hue is. My guess Hogan goes next week.

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

    Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

    @mudfly said:

    He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

    Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

    He is not improving in any area.. He looks the same this week as he did the first week...

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  • To be fair, our WR's are not doing him any favors. Britt is averaging like 2-3 drops a game and this week his drop got intercepted. Our other guys either can't get open, or they are the 2nd and 3rd reads that Kizer is not yet accustomed to getting to. When your #1 WR is a guy who only gets open 25% of the time he runs a route, and drops 50% of the balls thrown to him, your QB is going to look like Sheet. 

    Ruining threads since 1897.

  • That wasn't a drop, that was a crappy pass that was picked off a deflection. Watch any other team and you see the same Sheet.

  • more than willing to agree that there is blame to go around....terrible receivers, bad passes and poorly conceived offense.....all combine to create.....this

  • Blame the fans too.  Its a mess who else can we blame?

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

    Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

    @mudfly said:

    He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

    Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

    Still going to disagree, Mud. He's seeing where to go better, but that is now exposing an inability to make the throw it takes to get there.

    @hempman said:

    That wasn't a drop, that was a crappy pass that was picked off a deflection. Watch any other team and you see the same Sheet.

    That was last week... this week as ugly as the pass was... kind of a knuckle-fastball... it was square in Britt's hands and in the proper place.

    Last week gum commented on the possibility that Kizer is gripping the ball too tightly. I think this throw is the first clear "Exhibit A".

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  • Hogan has a 'better grip' on the offense. Is that what your saying? 

    Hogan does have bigger hands than Kizer... lol

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

    Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

    @mudfly said:

    He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

    Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

    @tour2ma said:

    Still going to disagree, Mud. He's seeing where to go better, but that is now exposing an inability to make the throw it takes to get there.

    So I say "terrible accuracy" and you say "an inability to make the throw".....dont see a difference tour.....

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  • Hogan does have some huge hands. Bet the ladies love that as well.

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