Kizer

Orion

....been raining so I watched the Colts/Browns game.

IMO, Keizer didn't do too badly. He's credited with 3 INT's...but really, 1 was a Hail-Mary at the end of the game and another was when the new receiver zigged inside what Keizer thought would be a zag outside. - The INT to Britt was on Keizer because he threw it well behind him....but a GOOD receiver could've made a real nice catch there to save the day...obviously Britt is not a GOOD receiver.

Also, Al Saunders has to tweak his teaching technique. Three offensive pass interference penalties in one game is pretty bizarre.

And finally, the drops. Yup, they didn't help Keizer at all. Granted not all of them were drops in the classic sense that the receiver just plain stone handed the ball. Some of 'em were caused by the defender doing a good job of tackling with his arms and hands in the right position to 'cause' a drop. But there were plenty of drops.

I agree with Joe Thomas, Keizer played fairly well....especially for a 21 year old rookie. - I think he will struggle against the Bengals front 7 however.

Tour2ma

Benn posting some stats from https://www.playerprofiler.com lately and finally got curious about Kizer.

Couple interesting stats:

+0.07 Supporting Cast Efficiency (#22); 88.9% Protection Rate (#18)
1 Money Throw (#23); 7 Interceptable Passes (#1); 15 Danger Plays (#1)
63.5 True Passer Rating (#36); 1.26 Receiver Target Separation (#25); 15 Dropped passes (#1)

Full stats and term definitions here: https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/deshone-kizer/

Looked at a few other QBs for comparison sake. Flacco was one interesting one.

Mudfly

Good stats there......He and his receiving corp create the perfect storm.....

#1 in drops.....#1 in interceptable passes....#1 in dangerous passes.....and #36 in passer rating(with only 32 teams).....

Last 2 games his completion percentage is in the 40's and has declined each game......gotta do much better than that to even sniff a win.....Time to stop the game to game decline and actually start improving.....

A good start would include some RB screens and play action(which means we run the run too).....Hue, can you do this?

TexasAg1969

@mudfly said:

A good start would include some RB screens and play action(which means we run the run too).....Hue, can you do this?

And here-in lies the problem with Mr. "Long passes downfield when you have no working running game" Jackson. Keep to this and Hogan will be in by 3rd Q.

Mudfly

@texasag1969 said:

And here-in lies the problem with Mr. "Long passes downfield when you have no working running game" Jackson. Keep to this and Hogan will be in by 3rd Q.

And I dont think Hue will make the adjustments needed.....based upon this discussion going way back to last season and Hues 2 seasons worth of insistence that "we will run the ball"...I expect more of the same pass happy long ball stuff.....stubbornly standing his ground...er air....

Hues Formula = fall behind and pass away.....(pun intended)

Tour2ma

I thought the support ranking of #22 was surprisingly high... especially in light of the drops.

Hope we see Kizer under Center early and often. Sets up your Rx...

Mudfly

He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

Hempman

Interesting how desperate Hue is. My guess Hogan goes next week.

LBC mike

Is there a free delivery beer membership? Will need it for the next 3 months

nickers

@mudfly said:

He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

He is not improving in any area.. He looks the same this week as he did the first week...

Harry Buffalo

To be fair, our WR's are not doing him any favors. Britt is averaging like 2-3 drops a game and this week his drop got intercepted. Our other guys either can't get open, or they are the 2nd and 3rd reads that Kizer is not yet accustomed to getting to. When your #1 WR is a guy who only gets open 25% of the time he runs a route, and drops 50% of the balls thrown to him, your QB is going to look like Sheet.

Hempman

That wasn't a drop, that was a crappy pass that was picked off a deflection. Watch any other team and you see the same Sheet.

Mudfly

more than willing to agree that there is blame to go around....terrible receivers, bad passes and poorly conceived offense.....all combine to create.....this

LBC mike

Blame the fans too. Its a mess who else can we blame?

Tour2ma

@mudfly said:

He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

Still going to disagree, Mud. He's seeing where to go better, but that is now exposing an inability to make the throw it takes to get there.

@hempman said:

That wasn't a drop, that was a crappy pass that was picked off a deflection. Watch any other team and you see the same Sheet.

That was last week... this week as ugly as the pass was... kind of a knuckle-fastball... it was square in Britt's hands and in the proper place.

Last week gum commented on the possibility that Kizer is gripping the ball too tightly. I think this throw is the first clear "Exhibit A".

PoeticG

Hogan has a 'better grip' on the offense. Is that what your saying?

Hogan does have bigger hands than Kizer... lol

Mudfly

@mudfly said:

He was not good....thats for sure....terrible accuracy(still)(again)....are there any NFL QB's that keep their job when they complete passes at a 45% clip???

Honestly is getting worse each week......he just isnt ready and hasnt developed the tools to overcome it.....

@tour2ma said:

Still going to disagree, Mud. He's seeing where to go better, but that is now exposing an inability to make the throw it takes to get there.

So I say "terrible accuracy" and you say "an inability to make the throw".....dont see a difference tour.....

Hempman

Hogan does have some huge hands. Bet the ladies love that as well.

Tour2ma

@mudfly said:

So I say "terrible accuracy" and you say "an inability to make the throw".....dont see a difference tour.....

Difference is you said he's "getting worse". I don't see that. I see a different issue emerging.

Mudfly

@tour2ma said:

Difference is you said he's "getting worse". I don't see that. I see a different issue emerging.

The main issue is that....right now.....he stinks....

I cant think of a single team that has stuck with such poor QB play across the board.........

His stellar 6 yds per pass dropped to 3 ypp today........QB rating dropped from a dismal 50 down to 43.......3rd consecutive game below 50% completions.....3rd consecutive game with more Ints than TDs.....etc etc etc.....

He isnt getting better, thats for sure......and he has a mountain to climb just to get to so so...