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  • @browns149 said:

    No he wasn’t. Also Haden was never that good. He might have had 2 decent years. For a 7th pick in the first round, he wasn’t that good

    I think he had a 2-3 year stretch where he was a top 10-15 CB in the NFL.

    I definitely wouldn't consider him a bad pick or a bust, perhaps someone whose peak years were limited due to injuries. That and he wasn't/isn't a superior athlete at the CB position.

    @dutch-oven said:

    I think he had a 2-3 year stretch where he was a top 10-15 CB in the NFL.

    I definitely wouldn't consider him a bad pick or a bust, perhaps someone whose peak years were limited due to injuries. That and he wasn't/isn't a superior athlete at the CB position.

    I definitely wouldn’t consider him worth the 7th pick. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I think he had a 2-3 year stretch where he was a top 10-15 CB in the NFL.

    I definitely wouldn't consider him a bad pick or a bust, perhaps someone whose peak years were limited due to injuries. That and he wasn't/isn't a superior athlete at the CB position.

    I definitely wouldn’t consider him worth the 7th pick. 

    @browns149 said:

    I definitely wouldn’t consider him worth the 7th pick. 

    I'll have to go back and look at the 2010 draft to see what was available when the Browns drafted Haden.

    Now, for the Mingo pick, that draft was absolute garbage.

  • They have had 11 picks in the top 8 of the first round since 1999

    Tim Couch  Ok but not a number 1 overall pick

    Courtny Brown  Bust

    Gerrard Warren Bust

    Kellen Winslow Idiot

    Braylon Edwards Idiot

    Joe Thomas. HOF

    Joe Haden Ok but not worth the 7th pick

    Trent Richardson  Bust

    Justin Gilbert   Bust 

    Myles Garrett   We will see

  • I forgot Mingo.  Bust

  • @wargograw said:

    Stop talking about firing him.

    What has he done to merit staying?

    @nickers said:

    What has he done to merit staying?

    Trust the 13yr process..... this team needs time to gel. 

  • and I'm putting my money to back  up my mouth.

    It's a true pickem game and I just played the Browns on the ML at the fivedimes reduced price of -105. 

    5500 dollars.  First browns game I've bet on all year.

    Back to hue-  if we don't beat the jets tommorrow, yet another terrible/horrible/no good team, it's pretty hard to see us getting to 4+ wins.

    Going 0-3 against the bengals/colts/jets, three teams that will all be under .500, is terrible.

    The schedule is about to get a lot harder.  @bears in wk 16 looks possible, and in week 17 against the steelers they may not be playing anything in our horrid divisiotn depending on if they need a seeding.  But I don't see us going 4-7 or better in those games unless we get a lot better, and Im not even sure 4-12 gets hue back(5-27 isn't a two year record that would keep a job for many coaches)

    So in a way this game is kind of a must win for hue if he wants to keep his job after the year

    Yeah... and what about Ernie Davis? Traded up and he never saw the field.

    Stop with the Shmucking history lessons already!

    .. or I shall become cross.

    All that matters is the past 21 months. I can deal with the negativity that actually matters... just not the rest of the shite.

    @tacosman said:

    and I'm putting my money to back  up my mouth. It's a true pickem game and I just played the Browns on the ML at the fivedimes reduced price of -105. 5500 dollars.  First browns game I've bet on all year.

    Back to hue- 

    Good luck, but if you win then do you press on whatever line there is on Hue getting the axe?

    @clevfan4life said:

    And guess what, coaches cant go nowhere. None of em.

    True for the big dogs... both of them, but feels like the shine is fading on Tabor. Then, as always, there are our "coordinators" tinkering with their staffs.

  • Wr're not winning tom. May not win a single game all season. And guess what, coaches cant go nowhere. None of em. We cant switch schemes. We have to run speciofic Sheet and draft/sign players to fit. I dont lime the prospect of another 1 win or less season, but prior staff forings have now brought us to the point of we're stuck with what we got.

    @clevfan4life said:

    Wr're not winning tom. May not win a single game all season. And guess what, coaches cant go nowhere. None of em. We cant switch schemes. We have to run speciofic Sheet and draft/sign players to fit. I dont lime the prospect of another 1 win or less season, but prior staff forings have now brought us to the point of we're stuck with what we got.

    Prior staff firings haven't brought us to this point. Gutting the entire roster, releasing all veterans and skill players and starting over with undrafted free agents and rookies as Mudfly stated are the reason we are "at this point". How many  other teams rebuilding have done this successfully?

  • Yeah... and what about Ernie Davis? Traded up and he never saw the field.

    Stop with the Shmucking history lessons already!

    .. or I shall become cross.

    All that matters is the past 21 months. I can deal with the negativity that actually matters... just not the rest of the shite.

    @tacosman said:

    and I'm putting my money to back  up my mouth. It's a true pickem game and I just played the Browns on the ML at the fivedimes reduced price of -105. 5500 dollars.  First browns game I've bet on all year.

    Back to hue- 

    Good luck, but if you win then do you press on whatever line there is on Hue getting the axe?

    @clevfan4life said:

    And guess what, coaches cant go nowhere. None of em.

    True for the big dogs... both of them, but feels like the shine is fading on Tabor. Then, as always, there are our "coordinators" tinkering with their staffs.

    @tour2ma said:

    Yeah... and what about Ernie Davis? Traded up and he never saw the field.

    Stop with the Shmucking history lessons already!

    .. or I shall become cross.

    All that matters is the past 21 months. I can deal with the negativity that actually matters... just not the rest of the shite.

    Good luck, but if you win then do you press on whatever line there is on Hue getting the axe?

    whether or not hue gets the ax is entirely dependent on how the team plays the rest of the year.  If they go 2-14 or whatever, of course he will get the ax.  Because the reality is that even if you have the worst talent in the entire nfl, you shouldnt go 3-29 over 32 games in today's nfl because the nfl is just not set up like that.  The fact that a coach could significantly underperform in terms of W-L over two years what would be expected of the least talented team in the nfl doesn't mean he is the worlds worst coach, but it does eliminate the fact that he is a positive difference maker(if over 32 games he is underperforming expectations...whereas expectations for even the least talented team in the nfl over 32 games would probably be 7-25 or so)

  • Taco, you REALLY bet $5k on the browns to win that game?

  • Stop talking about firing him.

    @wargograw said:

    Stop talking about firing him.

    seems to be more relevant now than ever.

  • coaching shouldn't be a hindrance on the team and im getting that vibe with hue. Terrible game manager and terrible play caller 

  • And like we said Hogan not being the starter for the beginning of the year says all you need 

  • @wargograw said:

    Stop talking about firing him.

    What has he done to merit staying?

    @nickers said:

    What has he done to merit staying?

    Been named head coach after we've cycled through so many that no one wants to come. 

  • @nickers said:

    What has he done to merit staying?

    Been named head coach after we've cycled through so many that no one wants to come. 

    @wargograw said:

    Been named head coach after we've cycled through so many that no one wants to come. 

    Hue is done. He is the worst game day head coach the Browns have had..... and that's saying a mouth full. 

    If you're a dude who has lost 20 of his last 21 under Hue, you honestly can't tell me that you'd still be buying in..... He's done, and today was painfully obvious of that. 

  • Please don't watch games if you can't come away from them not wanting to complete destroy the entire organization.

  • Please don't watch games if you can't come away from them not wanting to complete destroy the entire organization.

    @wargograw said:

    Please don't watch games if you can't come away from them not wanting to complete destroy the entire organization.

    Quit telling people what to do you little Homo!

  • @nickers said:

    What has he done to merit staying?

    Been named head coach after we've cycled through so many that no one wants to come. 

    @wargograw said:

    Been named head coach after we've cycled through so many that no one wants to come. 

    yes he was named head coach.  And if he goes 3-29 he will have had 32 whole games to have shown he isn't the future at hc.

  • The same stupid people have been saying the same stupid Sheet for 30 years 

  • @wargograw said:

    Been named head coach after we've cycled through so many that no one wants to come. 

    yes he was named head coach.  And if he goes 3-29 he will have had 32 whole games to have shown he isn't the future at hc.

    @tacosman said:

    yes he was named head coach.  And if he goes 3-29 he will have had 32 whole games to have shown he isn't the future at hc.

    I don't need any more games..... Maybe if he hired a real OC and simply focused on being a Tomlinlike raw-raw team organizer, then maybe he could be successful, but right now he is in over his head and is a dead man crawling. 

    He's a good dude, but a horrible game day coach. 

  • @wargograw said:

    Been named head coach after we've cycled through so many that no one wants to come. 

    yes he was named head coach.  And if he goes 3-29 he will have had 32 whole games to have shown he isn't the future at hc.

    @tacosman said:

    yes he was named head coach.  And if he goes 3-29 he will have had 32 whole games to have shown he isn't the future at hc.

    If he goes 3-29 he will have won 3 more games than the talent level of this team would dictate.