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  • It may be sophistry and it is certainly suckage on a grand scale. The grandest. It puts a tear in my eye at the perfection they put into suck.

     Keep em all, why bother starting over again,?  It's just gonna stink more. I heard Donovan and Dieken at the end. They really earned their paycheck there. Glad I went fishing and missed most of it. 

  • @wargograw said:

    If you don't have a viable alternative then hush with the Hue whining. We're stuck with him.

    we are stuck with him for the year.....but we certainly can find plenty of other people who want the job and are qualified candidates at the end of the year.

    Also, changing the head coach doesn't mean 'starting over'.  It doesn't mean we scratch this rebuild and start a new one.  We can still develop the mostly crappy players we draftd over the last couple of years.  Just with a hc who hasnt proven himself to lose 90% of his nfl games.

    @tacosman said:

    we are stuck with him for the year.....but we certainly can find plenty of other people who want the job and are qualified candidates at the end of the year.

    Also, changing the head coach doesn't mean 'starting over'.  It doesn't mean we scratch this rebuild and start a new one.  We can still develop the mostly crappy players we draftd over the last couple of years.  Just with a hc who hasnt proven himself to lose 90% of his nfl games.

    So let another coach come in and lose all the games? At some point, you gotta stop firing coaches and instead think about aquiring talent. 

  • Hard to win when you turn it over twice in the red zone and miss 2 field goals including 1 chip shot.

    If we started Hogan today I think we come away with a W

    @bbedward said:

    Hard to win when you turn it over twice in the red zone and miss 2 field goals including 1 chip shot.

    If we started Hogan today I think we come away with a W

    Perhaps, but Hogan has proven that he can set the other team up to score as well as he does for the Browns. Both games he's played this year: Set the world on fire in his first drive only to throw a horrible interception the next drive or so that practically gives the other team a TD.

    That being said, Hogan should be the starter now. He won't be, but I don't know what Kizer is learning from this. He's regressing.

  • @bbedward said:

    Hard to win when you turn it over twice in the red zone and miss 2 field goals including 1 chip shot.

    If we started Hogan today I think we come away with a W

    Perhaps, but Hogan has proven that he can set the other team up to score as well as he does for the Browns. Both games he's played this year: Set the world on fire in his first drive only to throw a horrible interception the next drive or so that practically gives the other team a TD.

    That being said, Hogan should be the starter now. He won't be, but I don't know what Kizer is learning from this. He's regressing.

    @dutch-oven said:

    Perhaps, but Hogan has proven that he can set the other team up to score as well as he does for the Browns. Both games he's played this year: Set the world on fire in his first drive only to throw a horrible interception the next drive or so that practically gives the other team a TD.

    That being said, Hogan should be the starter now. He won't be, but I don't know what Kizer is learning from this. He's regressing.

    absolutely....he has score more and moved the team better every time he's played/////the nay sayers will tell you its because he was playing 2nd teamers......well, today....16 of 19 against the first teamers.....Kizer was 7 of 18....same situ(except Kizer got all the reps and game planning)

  • If Hue starts Kizer next week, I won't see a single snap..... It will be the 1st game that I will have missed since '93. 

  • What I get from this

    1.) Hue is incredibly overwhelmed as HC and OC. He just can't handle both

    2.) Kizer is our QB, he says at the end of his presser. Obviously Jimmy and the analytics guys must want Hue to play Kizer, otherwise Hogan would start.

    3) Hue seems almost delusional. He defends his playcalling and blames it all on the "execution", say that was the sole reason we lost the game. He defended his goal line run on fourth down too. He also kept referring to Hogan as "The backup quarterback", and said he "knew hogan could execute", yet he said Kizer gives us the best chance to win. If he wants to win, he'll start Hogan since Hogan is the better quarterback.

    4) It's REALLY hard to support Hue now, who doesn't seem to have any balls. I haven't seen him get mad at a player at all. If someone performs their job THAT bad, you can't say "he did a great job cheering on his teammates on the sidelines and i'm proud of him". Hue is too soft to be a head coach. He's too stubborn to ever admit he's wrong, and it's hard to support Kizer starting over Hogan when you know the only reason Kizer is starting now on is because we have to be tanking.

    @stillmotion said:

    3) Hue seems almost delusional. He defends his playcalling and blames it all on the "execution", say that was the sole reason we lost the game.

    Although I'm not a huge supporter of Hue's inside the 5 yard line play-calling, he does have a point.  Keizer made a terrible pitch to Crow down there.  He was too caught up in the moment and did not let himself think clearly about what he was doing.  And the pass that was intercepted down near the goal line should never have been thrown.  Perhaps Keizer didn't see the defender that was moving up on the receiver...but he really should have because he wasn't hiding.  

    Again, I'm not a big fan of Hue's play calling down near the goal line, but the QB has to execute better than that wherever they are on the field.

  • @tacosman said:

    we are stuck with him for the year.....but we certainly can find plenty of other people who want the job and are qualified candidates at the end of the year.

    Also, changing the head coach doesn't mean 'starting over'.  It doesn't mean we scratch this rebuild and start a new one.  We can still develop the mostly crappy players we draftd over the last couple of years.  Just with a hc who hasnt proven himself to lose 90% of his nfl games.

    So let another coach come in and lose all the games? At some point, you gotta stop firing coaches and instead think about aquiring talent. 

    @dawgs89 said:

    So let another coach come in and lose all the games? At some point, you gotta stop firing coaches and instead think about aquiring talent. 

    ??? it's not an either/or thing.  The team  isn't saying "hmmm...should I hire a new coach or try to get some better playerls?".  Sheeesh

    It is entirely possible/likely that:

    -the browns have a very crappy roster

    -the browns would do better with a new hc after the year

    There isn't a reason in the world why both of those things can't be true.  For some reason you guys act like it's one or the other and you have he to pick a side.

    But usually, to be  historicallyavawful, you have tohave some combination of terrible roster and bad coaching

  • but, due to his execution issues(which have been apparent all season) his coaches also gotta do thngs to simplify his game....and if he cant execute simple options and passes, then he should not be a starting NFL qb...plain and simple...

  • @dawgs89 said:

    So let another coach come in and lose all the games? At some point, you gotta stop firing coaches and instead think about aquiring talent. 

    ??? it's not an either/or thing.  The team  isn't saying "hmmm...should I hire a new coach or try to get some better playerls?".  Sheeesh

    It is entirely possible/likely that:

    -the browns have a very crappy roster

    -the browns would do better with a new hc after the year

    There isn't a reason in the world why both of those things can't be true.  For some reason you guys act like it's one or the other and you have he to pick a side.

    But usually, to be  historicallyavawful, you have tohave some combination of terrible roster and bad coaching

    @tacosman said:

    .

    But usually, to be  historicallyavawful, you have tohave some combination of terrible roster and bad coaching

    and we do.....

  • @dawgs89 said:

    So let another coach come in and lose all the games? At some point, you gotta stop firing coaches and instead think about aquiring talent. 

    ??? it's not an either/or thing.  The team  isn't saying "hmmm...should I hire a new coach or try to get some better playerls?".  Sheeesh

    It is entirely possible/likely that:

    -the browns have a very crappy roster

    -the browns would do better with a new hc after the year

    There isn't a reason in the world why both of those things can't be true.  For some reason you guys act like it's one or the other and you have he to pick a side.

    But usually, to be  historicallyavawful, you have tohave some combination of terrible roster and bad coaching

    @tacosman said:

    ??? it's not an either/or thing.  The team  isn't saying "hmmm...should I hire a new coach or try to get some better playerls?".  Sheeesh

    It is entirely possible/likely that:

    -the browns have a very crappy roster

    -the browns would do better with a new hc after the year

    There isn't a reason in the world why both of those things can't be true.  For some reason you guys act like it's one or the other and you have he to pick a side.

    But usually, to be  historicallyavawful, you have tohave some combination of terrible roster and bad coaching

    They are awful because they have no talent. Who are D coordinators game planning against? 

  • @tacosman said:

    ??? it's not an either/or thing.  The team  isn't saying "hmmm...should I hire a new coach or try to get some better playerls?".  Sheeesh

    It is entirely possible/likely that:

    -the browns have a very crappy roster

    -the browns would do better with a new hc after the year

    There isn't a reason in the world why both of those things can't be true.  For some reason you guys act like it's one or the other and you have he to pick a side.

    But usually, to be  historicallyavawful, you have tohave some combination of terrible roster and bad coaching

    They are awful because they have no talent. Who are D coordinators game planning against? 

    @dawgs89 said:

    Who are D coordinators game planning against? 

    Duke...... although DCs know that the Oh-So-Tricky Hue keeps his best offensive player on the bench, so they also know that Hue does most of their work for them. 

  • I think a lot of us believe we would win more games with a different coach....today would be an example...does not mean the rebuild ends....shashi can keep trading back and selecting massive quantities of shitty players, but at least we might have someone who knows what to do with them,....where to play them....how to develop them.....and how to call a game...and which players to play

    @mudfly said:

    I think a lot of us believe we would win more games with a different coach....today would be an example...does not mean the rebuild ends....shashi can keep trading back and selecting massive quantities of shitty players, but at least we might have someone who knows what to do with them,....where to play them....how to develop them.....and how to call a game...and which players to play

    We are not attracting a good coach if we fire Hue after two years while we stripped the roster down. I don't feel like hiring some HS or D2 coach.

  • and youd think a good coach would see just how brilliant shashi is and be eager to coach the landslide of talent coming into this soon to be proud franchise.....I mean, I keep getting told how Im blind to the brilliance of this rebuild, wouldnt you think smart professional football people would see it and want to be a part of it????

    seriously/////

    or do they think this is a hopeless situation too?...cant be both ways can it?.....brilliant yet unattractive?

  • @boo-fagley said:

    Rex Ryan 62% win percentage 

    Jets

    2009 - 9 - 7 AFC Championship

    2010 - 11 - 5 AFC Championship

    2011 - 8 - 8

    2012 - 6 - 10

    2013 - 8 - 8

    2014 - 4 - 12

    Buffalo

    2015 - 8 - 8

    2016 - 7 - 9

    As much as I dislike Rex, the guy has heart. And he isn't a baby lamb like Hue is. It takes a specific personality to lose this much without getting angry.

  • @boo-fagley said:

    My numbers a little off. I edited the post.

    Rex has balls. He did not shy away from Brady one bit.

    and we need someone with some heart, someone with some balls, someone with a burning desire to win.

    When I watched Hue's presser It was the look of a man defeated. He said, "If someone else can call plays better, I'd welcome him with open arms" or something of that sort.

    Jimmy and Sashi wanted a "Yes Man". Hue is a great guy and obviously the players love him. But is he hard enough on them?

    If your workers do a shitty job, do you reward them? Or do they get yelled at. Could Hue the baby lamb call out Britt for lack of effort? No, He said Britt was "injured". hahaha

  • @wargograw said:

    BUT, OUR TEAM IS HISTORICALLY UNTALENTED.

    ^^^^

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    @clevfan4life said:

    ^^^^

    Not true. Look at the first half stats. We should have been up 21 points at the half. Bad play calling and bad execution had us down by 3. Hue needs to go.

    ☕️

  • 21 pts? Pffttt, we should have been up 50 with all the talent on this team. I mean real world beaters, any one of us could coach deez guys to at least an AFC championship appearance. I wont say SB this year cause #letsnotgetcarriedaway, but next year? No reason we shouldnt be in the SB, no reason at all

  • 21 pts? Pffttt, we should have been up 50 with all the talent on this team. I mean real world beaters, any one of us could coach deez guys to at least an AFC championship appearance. I wont say SB this year cause #letsnotgetcarriedaway, but next year? No reason we shouldnt be in the SB, no reason at all

    @clevfan4life said:

    21 pts? Pffttt, we should have been up 50 with all the talent on this team. I mean real world beaters, any one of us could coach deez guys to at least an AFC championship appearance. I wont say SB this year cause #letsnotgetcarriedaway, but next year? No reason we shouldnt be in the SB, no reason at all

    The plan next year is to trade down and draft a quarterback in the second or third round next year, and start him for 16 games to see if he can be the starter.

  • @wargograw said:

    I'm aware he's stripped it bare. And I'm in support of that. What I'm not in support of is blaming the HC for not being able to win with that handicap.

    You obviously didn't watch today's game? The Head Coach is the only one to blame. 

    @d-bone said:

    You obviously didn't watch today's game? The Head Coach is the only one to blame. 

    I disagreed with the time out he blew when he decided to go for it on 4th and 1. The offense was was generally ugly BUT Hue didn't miss two damn field goals. That cost us this game. It would have been an ugly win but a win none the less. It also speaks volumes for our talent when the highest targeted receiver just joined off a practice squad this week. 

  • @d-bone said:

    You obviously didn't watch today's game? The Head Coach is the only one to blame. 

    I disagreed with the time out he blew when he decided to go for it on 4th and 1. The offense was was generally ugly BUT Hue didn't miss two damn field goals. That cost us this game. It would have been an ugly win but a win none the less. It also speaks volumes for our talent when the highest targeted receiver just joined off a practice squad this week. 

    @jcam222 said:

    I disagreed with the time out he blew when he decided to go for it on 4th and 1. The offense was was generally ugly BUT Hue didn't miss two damn field goals. That cost us this game. It would have been an ugly win but a win none the less. 

    Hue's personnel packages (Starting Kizer, Duke on the F'n bench), combined with his scatterbrained play calling and game day HC decisions (TOs, when to go/punt, ect..) are making what limited talent the Browns have look totally inept...... I swear sometimes it looks like he wants to lose.