They ALL must go
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There it is folks. Our fans love going 4-12.
There it is folks. Some of our fans love going 1-21 while blissfully believing that we'll be better in just 3 more years if we can simply tolerate the 5-64 it will take to get there, all while wondering why most other fans have had enough.
There it is folks. Some of our fans love going 1-21 while blissfully believing that we'll be better in just 3 more years if we can simply tolerate the 5-64 it will take to get there, all while wondering why most other fans have had enough.
Your way is tried and failed. Hush.
I can’t understand how ANYONE can watch this team and say we should keep it going
this is the worst collection of talent being coached by one of the worst coaching staffs of all time
I don’t see how ANYONE could want to do the EXACT SAME THING we’ve always done so we can have a 4-win ceiling for the rest of our lives.
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There it is folks. Some of our fans love going 1-21 while blissfully believing that we'll be better in just 3 more years if we can simply tolerate the 5-64 it will take to get there, all while wondering why most other fans have had enough.
Your way is tried and failed. Hush.
I can’t understand how ANYONE can watch this team and say we should keep it going
this is the worst collection of talent being coached by one of the worst coaching staffs of all time
I don’t see how ANYONE could want to do the EXACT SAME THING we’ve always done so we can have a 4-win ceiling for the rest of our lives.
Your way is tried and failed. Hush.
I don’t see how ANYONE could want to do the EXACT SAME THING we’ve always done so we can have a 4-win ceiling for the rest of our lives.
Have you watched this crap? There is no way I would allow these people to pick the next draft
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
There it is folks. Some of our fans love going 1-21 while blissfully believing that we'll be better in just 3 more years if we can simply tolerate the 5-64 it will take to get there, all while wondering why most other fans have had enough.
Your way is tried and failed. Hush.
I can’t understand how ANYONE can watch this team and say we should keep it going
this is the worst collection of talent being coached by one of the worst coaching staffs of all time
I don’t see how ANYONE could want to do the EXACT SAME THING we’ve always done so we can have a 4-win ceiling for the rest of our lives.
Your way is tried and failed. Hush.
I don’t see how ANYONE could want to do the EXACT SAME THING we’ve always done so we can have a 4-win ceiling for the rest of our lives.
We can’t even win 2 games with these idiots
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Your way is tried and failed. Hush.
I don’t see how ANYONE could want to do the EXACT SAME THING we’ve always done so we can have a 4-win ceiling for the rest of our lives.
Have you watched this crap? There is no way I would allow these people to pick the next draft
Have you watched this crap? There is no way I would allow these people to pick the next draft
Nah dude I haven’t seen them. Just spent 6 hours in the car to see them in person today.
We can’t even win 2 games with these idiots
We will in 2018. Try growing balls and waiting. Lottery player.
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Your way is tried and failed. Hush.
I don’t see how ANYONE could want to do the EXACT SAME THING we’ve always done so we can have a 4-win ceiling for the rest of our lives.
We can’t even win 2 games with these idiots
We can’t even win 2 games with these idiots
That has far more to do with previous drafts then current coaching schemes
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Your way is tried and failed. Hush.
I don’t see how ANYONE could want to do the EXACT SAME THING we’ve always done so we can have a 4-win ceiling for the rest of our lives.
Have you watched this crap? There is no way I would allow these people to pick the next draft
Have you watched this crap? There is no way I would allow these people to pick the next draft
We simply need to do a George Costanza, and do The Opposite - "if every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right".
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Have you watched this crap? There is no way I would allow these people to pick the next draft
Nah dude I haven’t seen them. Just spent 6 hours in the car to see them in person today.
We can’t even win 2 games with these idiots
We will in 2018. Try growing balls and waiting. Lottery player.
Nah dude I haven’t seen them. Just spent 6 hours in the car to see them in person today.
We will in 2018. Try growing balls and waiting. Lottery player.
I’ve spent the last 19 years of giving my money for season tickets
This as is bad as it has ever been. NOT EVEN CLOSE
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Nah dude I haven’t seen them. Just spent 6 hours in the car to see them in person today.
We will in 2018. Try growing balls and waiting. Lottery player.
I’ve spent the last 19 years of giving my money for season tickets
This as is bad as it has ever been. NOT EVEN CLOSE
I’ve spent the last 19 years of giving my money for season tickets
This as is bad as it has ever been. NOT EVEN CLOSE
Of course it was. That was their point. Sorry you can’t see what they’re doing.
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Have you watched this crap? There is no way I would allow these people to pick the next draft
Nah dude I haven’t seen them. Just spent 6 hours in the car to see them in person today.
We can’t even win 2 games with these idiots
We will in 2018. Try growing balls and waiting. Lottery player.
Nah dude I haven’t seen them. Just spent 6 hours in the car to see them in person today.
We will in 2018. Try growing balls and waiting. Lottery player.
Hahahahahaha! Man, and I'm pissed at myself for buying the NFL Sunday Ticket in which the Browns only share in 1/32 of the money.......
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! Yep, the Browns will go from 1-31 to 11-5 in 2018 if we all can just wait....... Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
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Hire Peyton Manning as President of football ops. And go from there
I'm down for Manning. I'd also consider bringing in Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
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Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
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This.
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I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
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This.
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This.
2nd this. If these idiots get to pick the 5 picks in the first 2 rounds next year. WE ARE SCREWED
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Nah dude I haven’t seen them. Just spent 6 hours in the car to see them in person today.
We will in 2018. Try growing balls and waiting. Lottery player.
Hahahahahaha! Man, and I'm pissed at myself for buying the NFL Sunday Ticket in which the Browns only share in 1/32 of the money.......
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! Yep, the Browns will go from 1-31 to 11-5 in 2018 if we all can just wait....... Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
Hahahahahaha! Man, and I'm pissed at myself for buying the NFL Sunday Ticket in which the Browns only share in 1/32 of the money.......
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! Yep, the Browns will go from 1-31 to 11-5 in 2018 if we all can just wait....... Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
Yeah, I’m surprised you didn’t spend that money on lottery tickets, booze, and other wastes. If you approach life the way you do the Browns it must be pretty rough.
Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
Dude. No. We have too large a sample size of failed head coaches and GMs for it to merely be a hiring issue.
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I would rather see Peyton Manning and whoever he hires make those picks then the fools we have here now
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Then how did many other teams (Lions, Bucs, Saints, Texans, etc) use traditional means to get out of the dumpster if it is that method that is the problem and not those delivering it?
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Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
That's the rub.
A valid argument against blowing things up so soon is that rebuilding takes time (and that no one good wants to be working under a hair trigger so staying the course is a sign that some future FO would get a fair shake).
A valid argument for blowing thing up (yet again) is that the wrong people are in charge of rebuilding and waiting to pull the trigger is just wasted time and money (but again, who among those that might be the "right" people would want to come in under these circumstances to start another rebuilding project? Who is both good enough to make a difference and willing to work for the Browns organization?)
Both perspectives are compelling in their own way.
Other options include: a partial blow-up, patching the rebuilding machine, new owner, and new city.
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Then how did many other teams (Lions, Bucs, Saints, Texans, etc) use traditional means to get out of the dumpster if it is that method that is the problem and not those delivering it?
Then how did many other teams (Lions, Bucs, Saints, Texans, etc) use traditional means to get out of the dumpster if it is that method that is the problem and not those delivering it?
What happened to Rod Marinelli when the Lions went 0-16?
He got s hitcanned, he didn’t get another year.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Legit discussion for those who are pro the current course:
It seems as if the hang up is that the traditional methods have been used before and the Browns still sucked. That seems to be the enthusiasm behind Sashi’s plan. While true ,the traditional methods have not worked in Cleveland, they have worked at many other places that had long bouts of losing (see the Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans). They didn’t strip down every ounce of left over talent to build from there.
Could it be that the traditional methods didn’t work because the people carrying out the plan were not competent? If so, could the same be true for the current plan? That has been my reservations about it. I get putting together lots of draft picks. I have little confidence in them picking talented players with the picks.
That's the rub.
A valid argument against blowing things up so soon is that rebuilding takes time (and that no one good wants to be working under a hair trigger so staying the course is a sign that some future FO would get a fair shake).
A valid argument for blowing thing up (yet again) is that the wrong people are in charge of rebuilding and waiting to pull the trigger is just wasted time and money (but again, who among those that might be the "right" people would want to come in under these circumstances to start another rebuilding project? Who is both good enough to make a difference and willing to work for the Browns organization?)
Both perspectives are compelling in their own way.
Other options include: a partial blow-up, patching the rebuilding machine, new owner, and new city.
That's the rub.
A valid argument against blowing things up so soon is that rebuilding takes time (and that no one good wants to be working under a hair trigger so staying the course is a sign that some future FO would get a fair shake).
A valid argument for blowing thing up (yet again) is that the wrong people are in charge of rebuilding and waiting to pull the trigger is just wasted time and money (but again, who among those that might be the "right" people would want to come in under these circumstances to start another rebuilding project? Who is both good enough to make a difference and willing to work for the Browns organization?)
Both perspectives are compelling in their own way.
Other options include: a partial blow-up, patching the rebuilding machine, new owner, and new city.
Correct, the FO can’t draft worth a dam, and by letting them continue to draft, is just kicking the same can down the road.
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