Report: Browns Begin Searching For New Football Executive
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@boo-fagley said:
Great football players dont always make great GMs.
I would interview every Super Bowl GM out of work. Mike Tannenbaum too if he is between jobs.
Different sport, but I doubt anyone would argue that Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan were all-time great basketball players.
They've been shitty running organizations.
I think Peyton would be a great QB coach or Offensive Coordinator. Could be a great head coach. But being a GM or President of a team is a different animal. Once again, I'm not saying he couldn't be good at it, but man the Browns would be rolling the dice.
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I want to be the fly on the wall between SB & Huie if and when AJ McCarron does become a FA..A guy that does know hue's system with no modification Vs. The 3 blind mice picking another rookie QB..stay tuned
QB play is overrated when the offensive design is flawed in the first place. Hue's ego has killed him again. He will be replaced and I won't cry a tear. All QB's will look bad. All the time.
Hey... HEMPHEAD! Answer the fooking question!
I was literally thinking about typing this exact sentence during breakfast today.
So you wake up like this? Geez, Bud... ride a bike or something...
@boo-fagley said:
I would interview every Super Bowl GM out of work.
Shirley, you do see the paradox...
You’re learning
That's learning? Oy vey...
That's learning? Oy vey...
Hey, baby steps, right?
Btw, the "quote this" feature when you highlight part of someone's post is awesome. In the past I would have just ignored your post because I didn't feel like editing out everything other than the one line I was responding to.
Great website.
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@boo-fagley said:
So, you are saying that a GM that built a team good enough to reach a Super Bowl would be someone not to interview because they are not employed.
Makes sense.
What about John Dorsey? Drafted Rodgers and Mathews in Green Bay and built the Chiefs into a contender. KC let him go so he must be no good by your logic. Yeah, bring in some up and coming hotshot with no experience or track record and then in 3 years realize the guy is all hat and no cowboy.
The point of it all is for the Browns to hire a GM and HC with several years of experience. Screw the on-the-job- training way of doing things. John Dorsey would be an excellent choice for Browns GM. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan would win a lot of games for Cleveland.
Rex started losing in NY once Mangini's picks were phased out and he had brought his own in. Plus he nearly destroyed a solid Bills D.
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@boo-fagley said:
So, you are saying that a GM that built a team good enough to reach a Super Bowl would be someone not to interview because they are not employed.
Makes sense.
What about John Dorsey? Drafted Rodgers and Mathews in Green Bay and built the Chiefs into a contender. KC let him go so he must be no good by your logic. Yeah, bring in some up and coming hotshot with no experience or track record and then in 3 years realize the guy is all hat and no cowboy.
The point of it all is for the Browns to hire a GM and HC with several years of experience. Screw the on-the-job- training way of doing things. John Dorsey would be an excellent choice for Browns GM. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan would win a lot of games for Cleveland.
I understand your "point... When it comes to the FO, I simply could not disagree with it more. HC? TBD...
You seemingly labor under the impression that GM's are the "superscout-decider" totally responsible "for building a Super Bowl winner"... and nothing else. In truth they are executives in an organization. They depend on others. They are responsible to others.
Dorsey is a great example. No one denies that he has an eye for talent. Also not denied? That he does not work and play well with others. Something KC learned over time. In the end they decided his "talent" was not worth the toll he inflicted on their organization.
I'd consider hiring Dorsey as a scout. I would not hire him in any supervisory capacity at any level of my organization. Browns did something similar when Sashi and Berry hired Ryan Grigson, who was installed as a direct report to Berry with no staff reporting Ryan.
As for OJT... your short-term thinking is showing... and that is what is "screwy". You hire a guy to get good and you are as good as that guy is for as long as he is there. You build an organization, a learning organization and it can be sustained indefinitely. It is not as if the scouts hired have no experience in scouting... just not scouting in this organizational structure... a structure you apparently do not understand, let alone know.
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@boo-fagley said:
So, you are saying that a GM that built a team good enough to reach a Super Bowl would be someone not to interview because they are not employed.
Makes sense.
What about John Dorsey? Drafted Rodgers and Mathews in Green Bay and built the Chiefs into a contender. KC let him go so he must be no good by your logic. Yeah, bring in some up and coming hotshot with no experience or track record and then in 3 years realize the guy is all hat and no cowboy.
The point of it all is for the Browns to hire a GM and HC with several years of experience. Screw the on-the-job- training way of doing things. John Dorsey would be an excellent choice for Browns GM. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan would win a lot of games for Cleveland.
Rex started losing in NY once Mangini's picks were phased out and he had brought his own in. Plus he nearly destroyed a solid Bills D.
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@boo-fagley said:
So, you are saying that a GM that built a team good enough to reach a Super Bowl would be someone not to interview because they are not employed.
Makes sense.
What about John Dorsey? Drafted Rodgers and Mathews in Green Bay and built the Chiefs into a contender. KC let him go so he must be no good by your logic. Yeah, bring in some up and coming hotshot with no experience or track record and then in 3 years realize the guy is all hat and no cowboy.
The point of it all is for the Browns to hire a GM and HC with several years of experience. Screw the on-the-job- training way of doing things. John Dorsey would be an excellent choice for Browns GM. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan would win a lot of games for Cleveland.
I understand your "point... When it comes to the FO, I simply could not disagree with it more. HC? TBD...
You seemingly labor under the impression that GM's are the "superscout-decider" totally responsible "for building a Super Bowl winner"... and nothing else. In truth they are executives in an organization. They depend on others. They are responsible to others.
Dorsey is a great example. No one denies that he has an eye for talent. Also not denied? That he does not work and play well with others. Something KC learned over time. In the end they decided his "talent" was not worth the toll he inflicted on their organization.
I'd consider hiring Dorsey as a scout. I would not hire him in any supervisory capacity at any level of my organization. Browns did something similar when Sashi and Berry hired Ryan Grigson, who was installed as a direct report to Berry with no staff reporting Ryan.
As for OJT... your short-term thinking is showing... and that is what is "screwy". You hire a guy to get good and you are as good as that guy is for as long as he is there. You build an organization, a learning organization and it can be sustained indefinitely. It is not as if the scouts hired have no experience in scouting... just not scouting in this organizational structure... a structure you apparently do not understand, let alone know.
@boo-fagley said:
What about John Dorsey? Drafted Rodgers and Mathews in Green Bay and built the Chiefs into a contender. KC let him go so he must be no good by your logic.
The point of it all is for the Browns to hire a GM and HC with several years of experience. Screw the on-the-job- training way of doing things. John Dorsey would be an excellent choice for Browns GM. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan would win a lot of games for Cleveland.
How would you like to be the guy that lights a fire under your QB's a$$ (Smith) with drafting MaHolmes, than follows ups by drafting Kareem Hunt? Than gets Fired, pretty much by Andy Reid imo? Dorsey & Gettleman bring far to much bull head-ness to a conscious "Good Camper" FO..Gettleman got fired for not wanting to extend Thomas Davis & Greg Olsen as veterans that Dave thought would take a $ hit to improve rest of roster..Now that part fits this office.What is your thoughts of Charlie Weis (ND/Pats) as Hues OC? a good listen on radio show now, but is he done in the Saunders, LeBeau Dayes?
Dorsey is a great example. No one denies that he has an eye for talent. Also not denied? That he does not work and play well with others. Something KC learned over time. In the end they decided his "talent" was not worth the toll he inflicted on their organization.
I'd consider hiring Dorsey as a scout. I would not hire him in any supervisory capacity at any level of my organization. Browns did something similar when Sashi and Berry hired Ryan Grigson, who was installed as a direct report to Berry with no staff reporting Ryan.
Pre-Verbal "Nailed It".. Full Power people won't fit this FO even though Depo nor Grigson are not on my favorites list...Surely you read the Bill Polian rumors?
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Well considering the team is built on what Hue sold rather than what hue plays I would say significantly better with correct matching scheme
Its kinda like judging Barry Sanders only by his ability to bulldoze people in between the tackles. Its a correct assesment but also a waste
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@boo-fagley said:
You telling a someone from Massachusetts about building an organization.
Only because it's obvious that I had to...
As for the rest of your reply... any answers are already in the quote box above your queries.
But give you props for quoting multiple bits... good use of the new quote feature.
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@boo-fagley said:
So, you are saying that a GM that built a team good enough to reach a Super Bowl would be someone not to interview because they are not employed.
Makes sense.
What about John Dorsey? Drafted Rodgers and Mathews in Green Bay and built the Chiefs into a contender. KC let him go so he must be no good by your logic. Yeah, bring in some up and coming hotshot with no experience or track record and then in 3 years realize the guy is all hat and no cowboy.
The point of it all is for the Browns to hire a GM and HC with several years of experience. Screw the on-the-job- training way of doing things. John Dorsey would be an excellent choice for Browns GM. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan would win a lot of games for Cleveland.
You want a proven GM but then you go and mention Rexy as a HC? Rather self defeating argument there.
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@boo-fagley said:
Charlie Weis is a terrific OC. He brought the spread offense to the NFL and college game.
Uhhh.... nope.
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Boo did u really just suggest footboy as HC? First off, he doesnt win games...check his record. Second, u can tear up the defense again because he runs a 3-4.
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@boo-fagley said:
Rex had 2 losing seasons out of 7. How many winning seasons have the Browns had lately?
Jamie Collins came from a 3 - 4. Danny Shelton is the proto typical NT.
And how good was that 3-4 llast year with those two? And the year before and the year befire that? Yeah thats what i thought....
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