Report: Browns Begin Searching For New Football Executive
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All those picks in 2018 ...we need someone with football knowledge to make the picks...not an executive with no footballing background and a baseball guy ....
All those picks in 2018 ...we need someone with football knowledge to make the picks...not an executive with no footballing background and a baseball guy ....
That draft cannot be underestimated in terms of how important it is. It should make or break the current regime.
If it doesn't work crooked Jimmy should sell up.
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I jumped on the last part overlooking the first two... which I agree with... with the one minor change I made. The 3-4 to 4-3 to 3-4 wheel we were spinning was the most obvious example, but the scheme changes were there on Offense as well. Plus, under the same-old "foorball guru" FO structure, we made some very, very bad choices.
I would argue we now have a foundation that is closer to being right than we have had in a very long time. I too overestimated our 2017 progress as I thought a degree of competence would be wrung out of the QB spot in the form of Kessler. Kinda missed seeing what has transpired there.
I checked... other than not being high on Peppers, you did not appear to have an issue with our draft at the time. What changed?
I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
Exactly- if Hue is married to his "system" and can't modify it to fit the talent he has on the roster, he should be gone. He's flip flopping from winning games to developing talent. Just hope Kizer develops enough to win a game or two.
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I care that it's MKC!
If she wants to take a victory lap over something she said last December, so be it. But after a ten month silence, it carries little weight with me... no matter the writer.
And then there's this pearl: "I wrote it last December and I'm repeating it here: A personnel trio devoid of anyone who's ever assembled a winning football team isn't going to fly."
- We've had supposed assemblers of "winning football teams" heading up our org. They failed.
- Assemblers of winning football teams tend to stay employed by the orgs for whom they've built winners.
Nothing like a writer following their fan base to keep readers.
I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
Agree on Kess/Hogan similarities. Only added point I'd make is Kess really spit the bit in preseason. He wasn't close to the same QB that showed some promise in 2016... at least that's the impression I remember having of him then. Could well be that he was trying to run Hue's offense and secure the starting role he was in line to assume, and simply was not capable of doing so. And now we know neither is Hogan.
Hogan flashed some in two relief appearances. But if you reflect on his flashes, you can see his game was very similar to what Kess showed in '16. Both players' limited success came in the form of short to intermediate timing passes.
And that ain't Hue...
I care that it's MKC!
If she wants to take a victory lap over something she said last December, so be it. But after a ten month silence, it carries little weight with me... no matter the writer.
And then there's this pearl: "I wrote it last December and I'm repeating it here: A personnel trio devoid of anyone who's ever assembled a winning football team isn't going to fly."
- We've had supposed assemblers of "winning football teams" heading up our org. They failed.
- Assemblers of winning football teams tend to stay employed by the orgs for whom they've built winners.
Tour- there's this little tidbit from the MKC article that gets to the bottom of a lot of fan's grief.
"There's no way the Browns (edit: insert any other team) should be 1-21 after having 24 draft picks in the last two seasons and more cap space than they know what to do with. They never expected to go 1-15 last season, and they certainly never envisioned 0-6 this year."
OK, maybe she's fanning the flames of a fed up fanbase already on a short fuse ready to explode. But LOL, that guy you have on ignore could have written the article- in fact he was preaching it way before Mary Kay got around to it. Yeah- I hate the way he spouts off his messages- but you can certainly see he's not alone anymore with his POV. Of course hindsight is always 20\20.
MHO? The only hope of keeping this regime intact is for Kizer to stop producing turnovers faster than a Pepperidge Farm Bakery. We might actually win a game or two.
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I care that it's MKC!
If she wants to take a victory lap over something she said last December, so be it. But after a ten month silence, it carries little weight with me... no matter the writer.
And then there's this pearl: "I wrote it last December and I'm repeating it here: A personnel trio devoid of anyone who's ever assembled a winning football team isn't going to fly."
- We've had supposed assemblers of "winning football teams" heading up our org. They failed.
- Assemblers of winning football teams tend to stay employed by the orgs for whom they've built winners.
Tour- there's this little tidbit from the MKC article that gets to the bottom of a lot of fan's grief.
"There's no way the Browns (edit: insert any other team) should be 1-21 after having 24 draft picks in the last two seasons and more cap space than they know what to do with. They never expected to go 1-15 last season, and they certainly never envisioned 0-6 this year."
OK, maybe she's fanning the flames of a fed up fanbase already on a short fuse ready to explode. But LOL, that guy you have on ignore could have written the article- in fact he was preaching it way before Mary Kay got around to it. Yeah- I hate the way he spouts off his messages- but you can certainly see he's not alone anymore with his POV. Of course hindsight is always 20\20.
MHO? The only hope of keeping this regime intact is for Kizer to stop producing turnovers faster than a Pepperidge Farm Bakery. We might actually win a game or two.
Tour- there's this little tidbit from the MKC article that gets to the bottom of a lot of fan's grief.
"There's no way the Browns (edit: insert any other team) should be 1-21 after having 24 draft picks in the last two seasons and more cap space than they know what to do with. They never expected to go 1-15 last season, and they certainly never envisioned 0-6 this year."
OK, maybe she's fanning the flames of a fed up fanbase already on a short fuse ready to explode. But LOL, that guy you have on ignore could have written the article- in fact he was preaching it way before Mary Kay got around to it. Yeah- I hate the way he spouts off his messages- but you can certainly see he's not alone anymore with his POV. Of course hindsight is always 20\20.
MHO? The only hope of keeping this regime intact is for Kizer to stop producing turnovers faster than a Pepperidge Farm Bakery. We might actually win a game or two.
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All those picks in 2018 ...we need someone with football knowledge to make the picks...not an executive with no footballing background and a baseball guy ....
That draft cannot be underestimated in terms of how important it is. It should make or break the current regime.
If it doesn't work crooked Jimmy should sell up.
That draft cannot be underestimated in terms of how important it is. It should make or break the current regime.
If it doesn't work crooked Jimmy should sell up.
You're far more patient than I am, as I see the 2 previous drafts as cracking, if not breaking them already.... but yea, next year's draft will either be the nail in all of their coffins, or the beginning of a turn around..... finally.
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Hue Jackson looks toast(and by his extension, Berry, since Hue had a large part of his coming to Cleveland). I think his poor coaching decisions and poor development has pissed the FO off. They didn't expect to win 10 games in the first 2 years, but he can't even barely get a win and whines about his failures.
He wasn't the analytics guys choice in the first place. He sweet talked Jimmy with his BS.
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Hue Jackson looks toast(and by his extension, Berry, since Hue had a large part of his coming to Cleveland). I think his poor coaching decisions and poor development has pissed the FO off. They didn't expect to win 10 games in the first 2 years, but he can't even barely get a win and whines about his failures.
He wasn't the analytics guys choice in the first place. He sweet talked Jimmy with his BS.
Hue Jackson looks toast(and by his extension, Berry, since Hue had a large part of his coming to Cleveland). I think his poor coaching decisions and poor development has pissed the FO off. They didn't expect to win 10 games in the first 2 years, but he can't even barely get a win and whines about his failures.
He wasn't the analytics guys choice in the first place. He sweet talked Jimmy with his BS.
Who exactly was the analytics fags choice then? Do u even remember how bad last offseason was with all those coaches going somewhere, anywhere, else but cleveland? No one wanted to come gere. We were astounded that jackson agreed. And the only DC that agreed to come here was a retread from the one year chudzinski era.
No one wants to come here dude. Im not in the mood for another new coach announcement where we go "who"? The last guy we hired who i knew right away who he was, was mangini. Shurmur, chud, pettine.....i was like who the Shmuck is this now?
Please, enough. I just hope to god haslem has the balls to ignore the Retarded section of the cleveland fan base.....for once. He's caved now what....2-3 times? With disastrous results?
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Maybe the quarterback whisperer needs to start shouting instead
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I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
Exactly- if Hue is married to his "system" and can't modify it to fit the talent he has on the roster, he should be gone. He's flip flopping from winning games to developing talent. Just hope Kizer develops enough to win a game or two.
Exactly- if Hue is married to his "system" and can't modify it to fit the talent he has on the roster, he should be gone. He's flip flopping from winning games to developing talent. Just hope Kizer develops enough to win a game or two.
I want to be the fly on the wall between SB & Huie if and when AJ McCarron does become a FA..A guy that does know hue's system with no modification Vs. The 3 blind mice picking another rookie QB..stay tuned
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That draft cannot be underestimated in terms of how important it is. It should make or break the current regime.
If it doesn't work crooked Jimmy should sell up.
You're far more patient than I am, as I see the 2 previous drafts as cracking, if not breaking them already.... but yea, next year's draft will either be the nail in all of their coffins, or the beginning of a turn around..... finally.
You're far more patient than I am, as I see the 2 previous drafts as cracking, if not breaking them already.... but yea, next year's draft will either be the nail in all of their coffins, or the beginning of a turn around..... finally.
Believe me I'd love to blow it all up now, get all these losers out of our Browns.
Problem is that we're in such a bad situation that next man up isn't going to improve anything. Might as well let the Hue-Sashi-Baseball train ride all the way to its final destination, whether that's gonna be a crash or not.
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I've been sick of regime changes since the Romeo o Romeo days, and that was like 10 years ago. Even after 2 crappyish seasons l was relieved they gave him a third year, and waddya know, we won 10 games that year.
I agree all the losing sucks balls, but l'm willing to ride this out a little longer. I like some aspects of the plan, like creating a foundation on each side of the ball by addressing the line and moving outward. O line improved, D line improved, and then build outward from there with skill players on offense and the secondary on defense.
If they want to throw another mind or 2 into the shot callers mix, that's fine, but the last thing l wanna see is another overhaul.
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You're far more patient than I am, as I see the 2 previous drafts as cracking, if not breaking them already.... but yea, next year's draft will either be the nail in all of their coffins, or the beginning of a turn around..... finally.
Believe me I'd love to blow it all up now, get all these losers out of our Browns.
Problem is that we're in such a bad situation that next man up isn't going to improve anything. Might as well let the Hue-Sashi-Baseball train ride all the way to its final destination, whether that's gonna be a crash or not.
Believe me I'd love to blow it all up now, get all these losers out of our Browns.
Problem is that we're in such a bad situation that next man up isn't going to improve anything. Might as well let the Hue-Sashi-Baseball train ride all the way to its final destination, whether that's gonna be a crash or not.
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She nailed it in that article.
She nailed it in that article.
Fessup... you have a thing for her don't you, you oversexed sexagenarian...
All those picks in 2018 ...we need someone with football knowledge to make the picks...not an executive with no footballing background and a baseball guy ....
You're baiting me, aren't you?
(Hue) wasn't the analytics guys choice in the first place. He sweet talked Jimmy with his BS.
Praytell, who was the FO's first choice?
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Exactly- if Hue is married to his "system" and can't modify it to fit the talent he has on the roster, he should be gone. He's flip flopping from winning games to developing talent. Just hope Kizer develops enough to win a game or two.
I want to be the fly on the wall between SB & Huie if and when AJ McCarron does become a FA..A guy that does know hue's system with no modification Vs. The 3 blind mice picking another rookie QB..stay tuned
I want to be the fly on the wall between SB & Huie if and when AJ McCarron does become a FA..A guy that does know hue's system with no modification Vs. The 3 blind mice picking another rookie QB..stay tuned
QB play is overrated when the offensive design is flawed in the first place. Hue's ego has killed him again. He will be replaced and I won't cry a tear. All QB's will look bad. All the time.
Hey... HEMPHEAD! Answer the fooking question!
I was literally thinking about typing this exact sentence during breakfast today.
So you wake up like this? Geez, Bud... ride a bike or something...
@boo-fagley said:
I would interview every Super Bowl GM out of work.
Shirley, you do see the paradox...
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That's learning? Oy vey...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
i'm hearing Amy Trask may be an option
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@boo-fagley said:
Great football players dont always make great GMs.
I would interview every Super Bowl GM out of work. Mike Tannenbaum too if he is between jobs.
Different sport, but I doubt anyone would argue that Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan were all-time great basketball players.
They've been shitty running organizations.
I think Peyton would be a great QB coach or Offensive Coordinator. Could be a great head coach. But being a GM or President of a team is a different animal. Once again, I'm not saying he couldn't be good at it, but man the Browns would be rolling the dice.
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I want to be the fly on the wall between SB & Huie if and when AJ McCarron does become a FA..A guy that does know hue's system with no modification Vs. The 3 blind mice picking another rookie QB..stay tuned
QB play is overrated when the offensive design is flawed in the first place. Hue's ego has killed him again. He will be replaced and I won't cry a tear. All QB's will look bad. All the time.
Hey... HEMPHEAD! Answer the fooking question!
I was literally thinking about typing this exact sentence during breakfast today.
So you wake up like this? Geez, Bud... ride a bike or something...
@boo-fagley said:
I would interview every Super Bowl GM out of work.
Shirley, you do see the paradox...
You’re learning
That's learning? Oy vey...
That's learning? Oy vey...
Hey, baby steps, right?
Btw, the "quote this" feature when you highlight part of someone's post is awesome. In the past I would have just ignored your post because I didn't feel like editing out everything other than the one line I was responding to.
Great website.
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@boo-fagley said:
So, you are saying that a GM that built a team good enough to reach a Super Bowl would be someone not to interview because they are not employed.
Makes sense.
What about John Dorsey? Drafted Rodgers and Mathews in Green Bay and built the Chiefs into a contender. KC let him go so he must be no good by your logic. Yeah, bring in some up and coming hotshot with no experience or track record and then in 3 years realize the guy is all hat and no cowboy.
The point of it all is for the Browns to hire a GM and HC with several years of experience. Screw the on-the-job- training way of doing things. John Dorsey would be an excellent choice for Browns GM. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan would win a lot of games for Cleveland.
Rex started losing in NY once Mangini's picks were phased out and he had brought his own in. Plus he nearly destroyed a solid Bills D.
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