Report: Browns Begin Searching For New Football Executive
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The problem I see since 99 is that we put a foundation in place and then continually tear it down and start over. There
ishas been no continuity. Players were drafted for one scheme and then when there is regime change new philosophies are implemented and different type players needed for the new schemes on offense and defense.That is the reason I don't want to start over again but we have to have the right foundation to start with. Expectations were not high this year but I thought we would be better than this. Coming off 1-15 last year I thought we might get 6 wins this year and be in play off contention next year but we are staring at a winless season right now. Not seeing improvement from last year and that should not be a hard bar to achieve.
I jumped on the last part overlooking the first two... which I agree with... with the one minor change I made. The 3-4 to 4-3 to 3-4 wheel we were spinning was the most obvious example, but the scheme changes were there on Offense as well. Plus, under the same-old "foorball guru" FO structure, we made some very, very bad choices.
I would argue we now have a foundation that is closer to being right than we have had in a very long time. I too overestimated our 2017 progress as I thought a degree of competence would be wrung out of the QB spot in the form of Kessler. Kinda missed seeing what has transpired there.
This entire "process" is based on the premise that the FO will actually draft NFL caliber players. I don't have an issue with the ideology, I have an issue with their execution of picking players.
I checked... other than not being high on Peppers, you did not appear to have an issue with our draft at the time. What changed?
Gil Brandt tweeted. . . Browns added 9 players from my Hot 150 (Nos. 1, 21, 29, 33, 92, 132, 139, 146). No other team had more than 6.
I checked... other than not being high on Peppers, you did not appear to have an issue with our draft at the time. What changed?
My opinion of the FO has little to do with this years crop of rookies (although many aren’t looking promising).
My biggest bitch stems from the way they mishandled the WR position. They drafted 5 last year, brought in several FA’s and in the process let Benji & Hawkins go. From that point forward the WR has been a position of need. How did they fix it? They paid $32 million for 4 years for Kenny Britt. He’s played so bad, that he got benched 5 games into his first year. The 4 WR’s that started this past weekend against the Texans, 3 weren’t on the roster in week 1. I would say that reeks of desperation in trying to find competent help in the WR department. After all, the often injured Coleman has been less than stellar...whenever he plays.
I could type a novel about the QB position, but I’ll save that for another time.
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The problem I see since 99 is that we put a foundation in place and then continually tear it down and start over. There
ishas been no continuity. Players were drafted for one scheme and then when there is regime change new philosophies are implemented and different type players needed for the new schemes on offense and defense.That is the reason I don't want to start over again but we have to have the right foundation to start with. Expectations were not high this year but I thought we would be better than this. Coming off 1-15 last year I thought we might get 6 wins this year and be in play off contention next year but we are staring at a winless season right now. Not seeing improvement from last year and that should not be a hard bar to achieve.
I jumped on the last part overlooking the first two... which I agree with... with the one minor change I made. The 3-4 to 4-3 to 3-4 wheel we were spinning was the most obvious example, but the scheme changes were there on Offense as well. Plus, under the same-old "foorball guru" FO structure, we made some very, very bad choices.
I would argue we now have a foundation that is closer to being right than we have had in a very long time. I too overestimated our 2017 progress as I thought a degree of competence would be wrung out of the QB spot in the form of Kessler. Kinda missed seeing what has transpired there.
This entire "process" is based on the premise that the FO will actually draft NFL caliber players. I don't have an issue with the ideology, I have an issue with their execution of picking players.
I checked... other than not being high on Peppers, you did not appear to have an issue with our draft at the time. What changed?
Gil Brandt tweeted. . . Browns added 9 players from my Hot 150 (Nos. 1, 21, 29, 33, 92, 132, 139, 146). No other team had more than 6.
I jumped on the last part overlooking the first two... which I agree with... with the one minor change I made. The 3-4 to 4-3 to 3-4 wheel we were spinning was the most obvious example, but the scheme changes were there on Offense as well. Plus, under the same-old "foorball guru" FO structure, we made some very, very bad choices.
I would argue we now have a foundation that is closer to being right than we have had in a very long time. I too overestimated our 2017 progress as I thought a degree of competence would be wrung out of the QB spot in the form of Kessler. Kinda missed seeing what has transpired there.
I checked... other than not being high on Peppers, you did not appear to have an issue with our draft at the time. What changed?
I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
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Interesting article supporting Tour's, War's and others' opinion on having to Trust The Process:
Interesting article supporting Tour's, War's and others' opinion on having to Trust The Process:
In the name of balance, and clearly points out blunder after blunder: (I already know that those that don't want to hear this will simply say, "who cares, it's MKC".)
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/jimmy_haslams_plan_isnt_workin.html
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I jumped on the last part overlooking the first two... which I agree with... with the one minor change I made. The 3-4 to 4-3 to 3-4 wheel we were spinning was the most obvious example, but the scheme changes were there on Offense as well. Plus, under the same-old "foorball guru" FO structure, we made some very, very bad choices.
I would argue we now have a foundation that is closer to being right than we have had in a very long time. I too overestimated our 2017 progress as I thought a degree of competence would be wrung out of the QB spot in the form of Kessler. Kinda missed seeing what has transpired there.
I checked... other than not being high on Peppers, you did not appear to have an issue with our draft at the time. What changed?
I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
I care that it's MKC!
If she wants to take a victory lap over something she said last December, so be it. But after a ten month silence, it carries little weight with me... no matter the writer.
And then there's this pearl: "I wrote it last December and I'm repeating it here: A personnel trio devoid of anyone who's ever assembled a winning football team isn't going to fly."
- We've had supposed assemblers of "winning football teams" heading up our org. They failed.
- Assemblers of winning football teams tend to stay employed by the orgs for whom they've built winners.
Nothing like a writer following their fan base to keep readers.
I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
Agree on Kess/Hogan similarities. Only added point I'd make is Kess really spit the bit in preseason. He wasn't close to the same QB that showed some promise in 2016... at least that's the impression I remember having of him then. Could well be that he was trying to run Hue's offense and secure the starting role he was in line to assume, and simply was not capable of doing so. And now we know neither is Hogan.
Hogan flashed some in two relief appearances. But if you reflect on his flashes, you can see his game was very similar to what Kess showed in '16. Both players' limited success came in the form of short to intermediate timing passes.
And that ain't Hue...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Interesting article supporting Tour's, War's and others' opinion on having to Trust The Process:
In the name of balance, and clearly points out blunder after blunder: (I already know that those that don't want to hear this will simply say, "who cares, it's MKC".)
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/jimmy_haslams_plan_isnt_workin.html
In the name of balance, and clearly points out blunder after blunder: (I already know that those that don't want to hear this will simply say, "who cares, it's MKC".)
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/jimmy_haslams_plan_isnt_workin.html
Beat me to it.
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She nailed it in that article.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
All those picks in 2018 ...we need someone with football knowledge to make the picks...not an executive with no footballing background and a baseball guy ....
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All those picks in 2018 ...we need someone with football knowledge to make the picks...not an executive with no footballing background and a baseball guy ....
All those picks in 2018 ...we need someone with football knowledge to make the picks...not an executive with no footballing background and a baseball guy ....
That draft cannot be underestimated in terms of how important it is. It should make or break the current regime.
If it doesn't work crooked Jimmy should sell up.
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I jumped on the last part overlooking the first two... which I agree with... with the one minor change I made. The 3-4 to 4-3 to 3-4 wheel we were spinning was the most obvious example, but the scheme changes were there on Offense as well. Plus, under the same-old "foorball guru" FO structure, we made some very, very bad choices.
I would argue we now have a foundation that is closer to being right than we have had in a very long time. I too overestimated our 2017 progress as I thought a degree of competence would be wrung out of the QB spot in the form of Kessler. Kinda missed seeing what has transpired there.
I checked... other than not being high on Peppers, you did not appear to have an issue with our draft at the time. What changed?
I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
Exactly- if Hue is married to his "system" and can't modify it to fit the talent he has on the roster, he should be gone. He's flip flopping from winning games to developing talent. Just hope Kizer develops enough to win a game or two.
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I care that it's MKC!
If she wants to take a victory lap over something she said last December, so be it. But after a ten month silence, it carries little weight with me... no matter the writer.
And then there's this pearl: "I wrote it last December and I'm repeating it here: A personnel trio devoid of anyone who's ever assembled a winning football team isn't going to fly."
- We've had supposed assemblers of "winning football teams" heading up our org. They failed.
- Assemblers of winning football teams tend to stay employed by the orgs for whom they've built winners.
Nothing like a writer following their fan base to keep readers.
I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
Agree on Kess/Hogan similarities. Only added point I'd make is Kess really spit the bit in preseason. He wasn't close to the same QB that showed some promise in 2016... at least that's the impression I remember having of him then. Could well be that he was trying to run Hue's offense and secure the starting role he was in line to assume, and simply was not capable of doing so. And now we know neither is Hogan.
Hogan flashed some in two relief appearances. But if you reflect on his flashes, you can see his game was very similar to what Kess showed in '16. Both players' limited success came in the form of short to intermediate timing passes.
And that ain't Hue...
I care that it's MKC!
If she wants to take a victory lap over something she said last December, so be it. But after a ten month silence, it carries little weight with me... no matter the writer.
And then there's this pearl: "I wrote it last December and I'm repeating it here: A personnel trio devoid of anyone who's ever assembled a winning football team isn't going to fly."
- We've had supposed assemblers of "winning football teams" heading up our org. They failed.
- Assemblers of winning football teams tend to stay employed by the orgs for whom they've built winners.
Tour- there's this little tidbit from the MKC article that gets to the bottom of a lot of fan's grief.
"There's no way the Browns (edit: insert any other team) should be 1-21 after having 24 draft picks in the last two seasons and more cap space than they know what to do with. They never expected to go 1-15 last season, and they certainly never envisioned 0-6 this year."
OK, maybe she's fanning the flames of a fed up fanbase already on a short fuse ready to explode. But LOL, that guy you have on ignore could have written the article- in fact he was preaching it way before Mary Kay got around to it. Yeah- I hate the way he spouts off his messages- but you can certainly see he's not alone anymore with his POV. Of course hindsight is always 20\20.
MHO? The only hope of keeping this regime intact is for Kizer to stop producing turnovers faster than a Pepperidge Farm Bakery. We might actually win a game or two.
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I care that it's MKC!
If she wants to take a victory lap over something she said last December, so be it. But after a ten month silence, it carries little weight with me... no matter the writer.
And then there's this pearl: "I wrote it last December and I'm repeating it here: A personnel trio devoid of anyone who's ever assembled a winning football team isn't going to fly."
- We've had supposed assemblers of "winning football teams" heading up our org. They failed.
- Assemblers of winning football teams tend to stay employed by the orgs for whom they've built winners.
Tour- there's this little tidbit from the MKC article that gets to the bottom of a lot of fan's grief.
"There's no way the Browns (edit: insert any other team) should be 1-21 after having 24 draft picks in the last two seasons and more cap space than they know what to do with. They never expected to go 1-15 last season, and they certainly never envisioned 0-6 this year."
OK, maybe she's fanning the flames of a fed up fanbase already on a short fuse ready to explode. But LOL, that guy you have on ignore could have written the article- in fact he was preaching it way before Mary Kay got around to it. Yeah- I hate the way he spouts off his messages- but you can certainly see he's not alone anymore with his POV. Of course hindsight is always 20\20.
MHO? The only hope of keeping this regime intact is for Kizer to stop producing turnovers faster than a Pepperidge Farm Bakery. We might actually win a game or two.
Tour- there's this little tidbit from the MKC article that gets to the bottom of a lot of fan's grief.
"There's no way the Browns (edit: insert any other team) should be 1-21 after having 24 draft picks in the last two seasons and more cap space than they know what to do with. They never expected to go 1-15 last season, and they certainly never envisioned 0-6 this year."
OK, maybe she's fanning the flames of a fed up fanbase already on a short fuse ready to explode. But LOL, that guy you have on ignore could have written the article- in fact he was preaching it way before Mary Kay got around to it. Yeah- I hate the way he spouts off his messages- but you can certainly see he's not alone anymore with his POV. Of course hindsight is always 20\20.
MHO? The only hope of keeping this regime intact is for Kizer to stop producing turnovers faster than a Pepperidge Farm Bakery. We might actually win a game or two.
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All those picks in 2018 ...we need someone with football knowledge to make the picks...not an executive with no footballing background and a baseball guy ....
That draft cannot be underestimated in terms of how important it is. It should make or break the current regime.
If it doesn't work crooked Jimmy should sell up.
That draft cannot be underestimated in terms of how important it is. It should make or break the current regime.
If it doesn't work crooked Jimmy should sell up.
You're far more patient than I am, as I see the 2 previous drafts as cracking, if not breaking them already.... but yea, next year's draft will either be the nail in all of their coffins, or the beginning of a turn around..... finally.
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Hue Jackson looks toast(and by his extension, Berry, since Hue had a large part of his coming to Cleveland). I think his poor coaching decisions and poor development has pissed the FO off. They didn't expect to win 10 games in the first 2 years, but he can't even barely get a win and whines about his failures.
He wasn't the analytics guys choice in the first place. He sweet talked Jimmy with his BS.
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Hue Jackson looks toast(and by his extension, Berry, since Hue had a large part of his coming to Cleveland). I think his poor coaching decisions and poor development has pissed the FO off. They didn't expect to win 10 games in the first 2 years, but he can't even barely get a win and whines about his failures.
He wasn't the analytics guys choice in the first place. He sweet talked Jimmy with his BS.
Hue Jackson looks toast(and by his extension, Berry, since Hue had a large part of his coming to Cleveland). I think his poor coaching decisions and poor development has pissed the FO off. They didn't expect to win 10 games in the first 2 years, but he can't even barely get a win and whines about his failures.
He wasn't the analytics guys choice in the first place. He sweet talked Jimmy with his BS.
Who exactly was the analytics fags choice then? Do u even remember how bad last offseason was with all those coaches going somewhere, anywhere, else but cleveland? No one wanted to come gere. We were astounded that jackson agreed. And the only DC that agreed to come here was a retread from the one year chudzinski era.
No one wants to come here dude. Im not in the mood for another new coach announcement where we go "who"? The last guy we hired who i knew right away who he was, was mangini. Shurmur, chud, pettine.....i was like who the Shmuck is this now?
Please, enough. I just hope to god haslem has the balls to ignore the Retarded section of the cleveland fan base.....for once. He's caved now what....2-3 times? With disastrous results?
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Maybe the quarterback whisperer needs to start shouting instead
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I think one of the most screwed up things this season, and I like Hue and I may be wrong, but I think Kessler is the most talented QB on the roster right now and Hue is refusing to use him because his skills don't mesh with how he wants to run the offense. This is my biggest reason for wanting Hue to have an OC and its because he will not talor his offense to the talent he has on hand. I mean Hogan isn't much different from Kessler, he doesn't have a rocket arm and he doesn't have any real talent out there to throw to, and he designed the game plan like Derek Anderson was running the show. Other than the win lose record last year, Kessler had great stats for a rookie, but Hue was very open about the fact that he wanted the ball pushed downfield and Kessler couldn't do it.
Exactly- if Hue is married to his "system" and can't modify it to fit the talent he has on the roster, he should be gone. He's flip flopping from winning games to developing talent. Just hope Kizer develops enough to win a game or two.
Exactly- if Hue is married to his "system" and can't modify it to fit the talent he has on the roster, he should be gone. He's flip flopping from winning games to developing talent. Just hope Kizer develops enough to win a game or two.
I want to be the fly on the wall between SB & Huie if and when AJ McCarron does become a FA..A guy that does know hue's system with no modification Vs. The 3 blind mice picking another rookie QB..stay tuned
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
That draft cannot be underestimated in terms of how important it is. It should make or break the current regime.
If it doesn't work crooked Jimmy should sell up.
You're far more patient than I am, as I see the 2 previous drafts as cracking, if not breaking them already.... but yea, next year's draft will either be the nail in all of their coffins, or the beginning of a turn around..... finally.
You're far more patient than I am, as I see the 2 previous drafts as cracking, if not breaking them already.... but yea, next year's draft will either be the nail in all of their coffins, or the beginning of a turn around..... finally.
Believe me I'd love to blow it all up now, get all these losers out of our Browns.
Problem is that we're in such a bad situation that next man up isn't going to improve anything. Might as well let the Hue-Sashi-Baseball train ride all the way to its final destination, whether that's gonna be a crash or not.
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