Heisman Boom or Bust?
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Why should we even talk about the Browns? Lets try something that is at least a wee bit interesting. Here is a list of Heisman Trophy winners. What say you, which ones were booms and which ones were busts in their NFL careers? Also, if you wish, pick a "middle ground....not bad, not great". For purposes of this I am only going back to 1963 when Roger Staubach won the Heisman. Why? Because he is like the first guy I ever remember winning it.
YEARWINNERSCHOOLPOSITION2016Lamar JacksonLouisvilleQB2015Derrick HenryAlabamaRB2014Marcus MariotaOregonQB2013Jameis WinstonFlorida StateQB2012Johnny ManzielTexas A&MQB2011Robert Griffin IIIBaylorQB2010Cameron NewtonAuburnQB2009Mark IngramAlabamaRB2008Sam BradfordOklahomaQB2007Tim TebowFloridaQB2006Troy SmithOhio StateQB2005Reggie BushSouthern CaliforniaRB2004Matt LeinartSouthern CaliforniaQB2003Jason WhiteOklahomaQB2002Carson PalmerSouthern CaliforniaQB2001Eric CrouchNebraskaQB2000Chris WeinkeFlorida StateQB1999Ron DayneWisconsinRB1998Ricky WilliamsTexasRB1997Charles WoodsonMichiganDB/WR1996Danny WuerffelFloridaQB1995Eddie GeorgeOhio StateRB1994Rashaan SalaamColoradoRB1993Charlie WardFlorida StateQB1992Gino TorrettaMiamiQB1991Desmond HowardMichiganWR1990Ty DetmerBrigham YoungQB1989Andre WareHoustonQB1988Barry SandersOklahoma StateRB1987Tim BrownNotre DameWR1986Vinny TestaverdeMiamiQB1985Bo JacksonAuburnRB1984Doug FlutieBoston CollegeQB1983Mike RozierNebraskaRB1982Herschel WalkerGeorgiaRB1981Marcus AllenSouthern CaliforniaRB1980George RogersSouth CarolinaRB1979Charles WhiteSouthern CaliforniaRB1978Billy SimsOklahomaRB1977Earl CampbellTexasRB1976Tony DorsettPittsburghRB1975Archie GriffinOhio StateRB1974Archie GriffinOhio StateRB1973John CappellettiPenn StateRB1972Johnny RodgersNebraskaWR1971Pat SullivanAuburnQB1970Jim PlunkettStanfordQB1969Steve OwensOklahomaHB1968O.J. SimpsonSouthern CaliforniaHB1967Gary BebanUCLAQB1966Steve SpurrierFloridaQB1965Mike GarrettSouthern CaliforniaHB1964John HuarteNotre DameQB1963Roger StaubachNavyQB -
Why should we even talk about the Browns? Lets try something that is at least a wee bit interesting. Here is a list of Heisman Trophy winners. What say you, which ones were booms and which ones were busts in their NFL careers? Also, if you wish, pick a "middle ground....not bad, not great". For purposes of this I am only going back to 1963 when Roger Staubach won the Heisman. Why? Because he is like the first guy I ever remember winning it.
YEARWINNERSCHOOLPOSITION2016Lamar JacksonLouisvilleQB2015Derrick HenryAlabamaRB2014Marcus MariotaOregonQB2013Jameis WinstonFlorida StateQB2012Johnny ManzielTexas A&MQB2011Robert Griffin IIIBaylorQB2010Cameron NewtonAuburnQB2009Mark IngramAlabamaRB2008Sam BradfordOklahomaQB2007Tim TebowFloridaQB2006Troy SmithOhio StateQB2005Reggie BushSouthern CaliforniaRB2004Matt LeinartSouthern CaliforniaQB2003Jason WhiteOklahomaQB2002Carson PalmerSouthern CaliforniaQB2001Eric CrouchNebraskaQB2000Chris WeinkeFlorida StateQB1999Ron DayneWisconsinRB1998Ricky WilliamsTexasRB1997Charles WoodsonMichiganDB/WR1996Danny WuerffelFloridaQB1995Eddie GeorgeOhio StateRB1994Rashaan SalaamColoradoRB1993Charlie WardFlorida StateQB1992Gino TorrettaMiamiQB1991Desmond HowardMichiganWR1990Ty DetmerBrigham YoungQB1989Andre WareHoustonQB1988Barry SandersOklahoma StateRB1987Tim BrownNotre DameWR1986Vinny TestaverdeMiamiQB1985Bo JacksonAuburnRB1984Doug FlutieBoston CollegeQB1983Mike RozierNebraskaRB1982Herschel WalkerGeorgiaRB1981Marcus AllenSouthern CaliforniaRB1980George RogersSouth CarolinaRB1979Charles WhiteSouthern CaliforniaRB1978Billy SimsOklahomaRB1977Earl CampbellTexasRB1976Tony DorsettPittsburghRB1975Archie GriffinOhio StateRB1974Archie GriffinOhio StateRB1973John CappellettiPenn StateRB1972Johnny RodgersNebraskaWR1971Pat SullivanAuburnQB1970Jim PlunkettStanfordQB1969Steve OwensOklahomaHB1968O.J. SimpsonSouthern CaliforniaHB1967Gary BebanUCLAQB1966Steve SpurrierFloridaQB1965Mike GarrettSouthern CaliforniaHB1964John HuarteNotre DameQB1963Roger StaubachNavyQBWhy should we even talk about the Browns? Lets try something that is at least a wee bit interesting. Here is a list of Heisman Trophy winners. What say you, which ones were booms and which ones were busts in their NFL careers? Also, if you wish, pick a "middle ground....not bad, not great". For purposes of this I am only going back to 1963 when Roger Staubach won the Heisman. Why? Because he is like the first guy I ever remember winning it.
Here is my list of choices for Boom in Blue. Choices for Busts in Red. Others, left black, are either middle ground or too soon (for the last 4)
YEARWINNERSCHOOLPOSITION2016Lamar JacksonLouisvilleQB2015Derrick HenryAlabamaRB2014Marcus MariotaOregonQB2013Jameis WinstonFlorida StateQB2012Johnny ManzielTexas A&MQB2011Robert Griffin IIIBaylorQB2010Cameron NewtonAuburnQB2009Mark IngramAlabamaRB2008Sam BradfordOklahomaQB2007Tim TebowFloridaQB2006Troy SmithOhio StateQB2005Reggie BushSouthern CaliforniaRB2004Matt LeinartSouthern CaliforniaQB2003Jason WhiteOklahomaQB2002Carson PalmerSouthern CaliforniaQB2001Eric CrouchNebraskaQB2000Chris WeinkeFlorida StateQB1999Ron DayneWisconsinRB1998Ricky WilliamsTexasRB1997Charles WoodsonMichiganDB/WR1996Danny WuerffelFloridaQB1995Eddie GeorgeOhio StateRB1994Rashaan SalaamColoradoRB1993Charlie WardFlorida StateQB1992Gino TorrettaMiamiQB1991Desmond HowardMichiganWR1990Ty DetmerBrigham YoungQB1989Andre WareHoustonQB1988Barry SandersOklahoma StateRB1987Tim BrownNotre DameWR1986Vinny TestaverdeMiamiQB1985Bo JacksonAuburnRB1984Doug FlutieBoston CollegeQB1983Mike RozierNebraskaRB1982Herschel WalkerGeorgiaRB1981Marcus AllenSouthern CaliforniaRB1980George RogersSouth CarolinaRB1979Charles WhiteSouthern CaliforniaRB1978Billy SimsOklahomaRB1977Earl CampbellTexasRB1976Tony DorsettPittsburghRB1975Archie GriffinOhio StateRB1974Archie GriffinOhio StateRB1973John CappellettiPenn StateRB1972Johnny RodgersNebraskaWR1971Pat SullivanAuburnQB1970Jim PlunkettStanfordQB1969Steve OwensOklahomaHB1968O.J. SimpsonSouthern CaliforniaHB1967Gary BebanUCLAQB1966Steve SpurrierFloridaQB1965Mike GarrettSouthern CaliforniaHB1964John HuarteNotre DameQB1963Roger StaubachNavyQB -
One interesting case is Doug Flutie. Here I have him in the "middle ground", for his NFL career. But the fact is, he is a HOFer in Canadian football. And though you love the guy playing for your team (ask Bills fans), I don't think his NFL career was quite good enough to give him the Boom designation.
(one guy that should take a clue from Flutie is one of the busts up here: Mr. JFF)
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One interesting case is Doug Flutie. Here I have him in the "middle ground", for his NFL career. But the fact is, he is a HOFer in Canadian football. And though you love the guy playing for your team (ask Bills fans), I don't think his NFL career was quite good enough to give him the Boom designation.
(one guy that should take a clue from Flutie is one of the busts up here: Mr. JFF)
One interesting case is Doug Flutie. Here I have him in the "middle ground", for his NFL career. But the fact is, he is a HOFer in Canadian football. And though you love the guy playing for your team (ask Bills fans), I don't think his NFL career was quite good enough to give him the Boom designation.
(one guy that should take a clue from Flutie is one of the busts up here: Mr. JFF)
Doug Fluties NFL numbers would make him better than any QB we've had since 99.
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Still can't believe Henry won over Watson that year
Agree. Elliot also would have been a better choice.
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One interesting case is Doug Flutie. Here I have him in the "middle ground", for his NFL career. But the fact is, he is a HOFer in Canadian football. And though you love the guy playing for your team (ask Bills fans), I don't think his NFL career was quite good enough to give him the Boom designation.
(one guy that should take a clue from Flutie is one of the busts up here: Mr. JFF)
Doug Fluties NFL numbers would make him better than any QB we've had since 99.
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Agree with most..
Ingram - Bust
Bradford - Bust
Reggie Bush - If he's not a bust, he defines the bottom of the remotely-NFL-caliber category.
Newton - Defense carried them to the SB. He may not be a bust but he's nowhere near a boom.
Winston is closing in on bust level this year in TB.. I'm only paying attention bc he's riding the pine for me in FF. He threw an int/fumble just yesterday that was high school caliber.. at no point is it a good idea to try an option pitch just to avoid a sack.
Mariota looks boom, too soon for Henry.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Another couple I am having a debate with myself about:
George Rogers. Did gain 7176 yards rushing in his career. While not top tier, that is a pretty decent career. Which is why I put him in "the middle ground".
On the other hand: Herschel Walker gained 8225 yards rushing plus another 4859 yard receiving in his career....and that is just his NFL career, not including his USFL days. He had over 13,000 total yards....which puts him 45th all time. I think I will revise him to a Boom.
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Rozier would have been right there with George Rogers had he not wasted 2 seasons on USFL rosters
Ron Dayne - Bust
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Agree with most..
Ingram - Bust
Bradford - Bust
Reggie Bush - If he's not a bust, he defines the bottom of the remotely-NFL-caliber category.
Newton - Defense carried them to the SB. He may not be a bust but he's nowhere near a boom.
Winston is closing in on bust level this year in TB.. I'm only paying attention bc he's riding the pine for me in FF. He threw an int/fumble just yesterday that was high school caliber.. at no point is it a good idea to try an option pitch just to avoid a sack.
Mariota looks boom, too soon for Henry.
Agree with most..
Ingram - Bust
Bradford - Bust
Reggie Bush - If he's not a bust, he defines the bottom of the remotely-NFL-caliber category.
Newton - Defense carried them to the SB. He may not be a bust but he's nowhere near a boom.
Winston is closing in on bust level this year in TB.. I'm only paying attention bc he's riding the pine for me in FF. He threw an int/fumble just yesterday that was high school caliber.. at no point is it a good idea to try an option pitch just to avoid a sack.
Mariota looks boom, too soon for Henry.
Bradford and Ingram are still in the middle of their careers.....that is why I put them in the "middle ground" as they still likely have a lot of career left. Plus...they are not BAD. Bradford is not like the Tebows, JMZ, Crouch, Weinke's, Leinert's, Ware etc.
And While Bush's career is basically over, he has gained over 9000 total yards in his career. Which is also pretty good. More that some HOF, like Frank Gifford, Larry Csonka, Paul Warfield, Terrell Davis, John Stallworth, Floyd Little, Ozzie Newsome. etc. So, while not a boom, also not a bust.
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Rozier would have been right there with George Rogers had he not wasted 2 seasons on USFL rosters
Ron Dayne - Bust
Rozier would have been right there with George Rogers had he not wasted 2 seasons on USFL rosters
Ron Dayne - Bust
Well, I did kind of put him there with George Rogers...in the middle ground area. Rozier had over 4400 yards rushing in the NFL. Plus, as you say, USFL production.
Dayne? Maybe....borderline. He had 3722 yards rushing in 7 years. Borderline bust.
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Notice, that in "this" Century....I only have two Heisman winners in the Boom category: Palmer and Newton.....and you have argued about Newton.
Compare the period from like 1976 to 1988. Only one bust on that group. (Charles White.....only about 3K yards in 8 years).
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Ingram is still Brees' primary back in NO along with Camara-the two sent AP packing so a bust he is most certainly not.
JFF was willing to go to Canada but they have not reciprocated as of yet.
Bradford is very good when healthy but that is not often.
Henry needs to be with anyone other than the team that is lost on when to use him. They suck as badly as we do coachingwise.
Famous Jameis is still in the running.
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As far as I can tell, only the following Heisman Trophy Winners ever played for the Cleveland Browns:
Charles White
Vinny Testaverde
Ty Detmer
Robert Griffin III
Johnny Manziel
plus: Ernie Davis
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Agree. Elliot also would have been a better choice.
Except for Henry besting him in pretty much every category.
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Agree. Elliot also would have been a better choice.
Except for Henry besting him in pretty much every category.
Except for Henry besting him in pretty much every category.
Except talent.
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