QBs the Browns could have picked
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The '62 Mets were godawful because they were an expansion team.
The Browns expansion season was 18 years ago.
18.
Years.
Ago.
True dat, but regardless of how they got that way that was the closest comparison I could find. Maybe the Pirates, who stunk for 20 years.
I wonder if the Browns front office would be too awful to be saved by the Force?
True dat, but regardless of how they got that way that was the closest comparison I could find. Maybe the Pirates, who stunk for 20 years.
I wonder if the Browns front office would be too awful to be saved by the Force?
The Force, an army of priests, all the luck of the Irish and the end of the world might be needed to turn this around.
It almost should be impossible for the Browns to have been this bad for this long.
I sometimes look back to the 1989 season opener... The Browns annihilated the Steelers 51-0 at Three Rivers Stadium. I'm pretty sure some Steelers fan, practiced in the fine art of voodoo, in a fit of rage put a curse on the Browns in retaliation. It would explain the last 28 years of Browns football.
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True dat, but regardless of how they got that way that was the closest comparison I could find. Maybe the Pirates, who stunk for 20 years.
I wonder if the Browns front office would be too awful to be saved by the Force?
The Force, an army of priests, all the luck of the Irish and the end of the world might be needed to turn this around.
It almost should be impossible for the Browns to have been this bad for this long.
I sometimes look back to the 1989 season opener... The Browns annihilated the Steelers 51-0 at Three Rivers Stadium. I'm pretty sure some Steelers fan, practiced in the fine art of voodoo, in a fit of rage put a curse on the Browns in retaliation. It would explain the last 28 years of Browns football.
The Force, an army of priests, all the luck of the Irish and the end of the world might be needed to turn this around.
It almost should be impossible for the Browns to have been this bad for this long.
I sometimes look back to the 1989 season opener... The Browns annihilated the Steelers 51-0 at Three Rivers Stadium. I'm pretty sure some Steelers fan, practiced in the fine art of voodoo, in a fit of rage put a curse on the Browns in retaliation. It would explain the last 28 years of Browns football.
I have often thought that they should fire everyone who is drafting for them and give the job to the janitor or the secretary, and have them pick the next highest rated player on CBS Draft Prospects or whatever, each time their turn comes to draft. If you have a team that has won 1game in a season and a half, whatever position is played by the next guy up, you probably have a need there. Probably would not turn out worse than they have been doing and might turn out better.
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The Force, an army of priests, all the luck of the Irish and the end of the world might be needed to turn this around.
It almost should be impossible for the Browns to have been this bad for this long.
I sometimes look back to the 1989 season opener... The Browns annihilated the Steelers 51-0 at Three Rivers Stadium. I'm pretty sure some Steelers fan, practiced in the fine art of voodoo, in a fit of rage put a curse on the Browns in retaliation. It would explain the last 28 years of Browns football.
I have often thought that they should fire everyone who is drafting for them and give the job to the janitor or the secretary, and have them pick the next highest rated player on CBS Draft Prospects or whatever, each time their turn comes to draft. If you have a team that has won 1game in a season and a half, whatever position is played by the next guy up, you probably have a need there. Probably would not turn out worse than they have been doing and might turn out better.
I have often thought that they should fire everyone who is drafting for them and give the job to the janitor or the secretary, and have them pick the next highest rated player on CBS Draft Prospects or whatever, each time their turn comes to draft. If you have a team that has won 1game in a season and a half, whatever position is played by the next guy up, you probably have a need there. Probably would not turn out worse than they have been doing and might turn out better.
I understand that I'm a slapdick who posts on two message boards about the Browns and Indians. I have no clue how the salary cap works, who the LG on Eastern Kentucky is, or what a 3 gap DTackle is.
All than being said, I am 100% confident I could have drafted better in the first two drafts of the "new" Browns (1999/2000) with my Sporting News Draft Guides as my only tool. Those were atrocious.
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I believe some of the QB we did draft could play but when you have a new coach every year or every other year and each coach is telling you different things...................Maybe we had the right qb and the wrong coach. Our QB is not calling plays it is our moron of a coach. Just about every teammate said Johnny Football was a great player, just about all of them, what we seen was him not being able to play the way he wanted to, a coach who told him he wanted him to take a sack instead of running the ball, I am not saying JM was the answer at all or Anderson or Quinn or Mcoy I am only saying at some point we have to blame the coach for well not being able to coach.
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You're making my point. You'd rather just scrap everything and grab a new lottery ticket than actually try to build on what we're already doing and fix what's wrong. That's a grave error, in my opinion.
You're making my point. You'd rather just scrap everything and grab a new lottery ticket than actually try to build on what we're already doing and fix what's wrong. That's a grave error, in my opinion.
Every team that has lifted itself out of the dump has used traditional methods. Saints, Texans, Bucs, etc. No one had to reinvent the wheel but they likely had scouts who weren’t envious of Stevie Wonder’s eye for talent.
Instead of viewing it as a lottery ticket, why don’t you frame it like a girlfriend. So far she made dinner once a week but takes atrocious shits in the bathroom, refuses to give blow jobs, and wants you to spend all of your time with her. But if you just keep putting up with her she will turn it around. She promises.
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I believe some of the QB we did draft could play but when you have a new coach every year or every other year and each coach is telling you different things...................Maybe we had the right qb and the wrong coach. Our QB is not calling plays it is our moron of a coach. Just about every teammate said Johnny Football was a great player, just about all of them, what we seen was him not being able to play the way he wanted to, a coach who told him he wanted him to take a sack instead of running the ball, I am not saying JM was the answer at all or Anderson or Quinn or Mcoy I am only saying at some point we have to blame the coach for well not being able to coach.
I believe some of the QB we did draft could play but when you have a new coach every year or every other year and each coach is telling you different things...................Maybe we had the right qb and the wrong coach. Our QB is not calling plays it is our moron of a coach. Just about every teammate said Johnny Football was a great player, just about all of them, what we seen was him not being able to play the way he wanted to, a coach who told him he wanted him to take a sack instead of running the ball, I am not saying JM was the answer at all or Anderson or Quinn or Mcoy I am only saying at some point we have to blame the coach for well not being able to coach.
Not one Browns QB since '99 left the Browns and ever did anything but be a backup. You think at least one of them would have escaped the horrible Browns coaches who held him down and became a viable starting QB in the NFL, but not one did.
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And equally interesting topic would be here's a list of the quarterbacks that would now be working for UPS had they been drafted by the Browns.
WSS
And equally interesting topic would be here's a list of the quarterbacks that would now be working for UPS had they been drafted by the Browns.
WSS
Since that is your idea....it is your task to do the research on it.
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I believe some of the QB we did draft could play but when you have a new coach every year or every other year and each coach is telling you different things...................Maybe we had the right qb and the wrong coach. Our QB is not calling plays it is our moron of a coach. Just about every teammate said Johnny Football was a great player, just about all of them, what we seen was him not being able to play the way he wanted to, a coach who told him he wanted him to take a sack instead of running the ball, I am not saying JM was the answer at all or Anderson or Quinn or Mcoy I am only saying at some point we have to blame the coach for well not being able to coach.
Not one Browns QB since '99 left the Browns and ever did anything but be a backup. You think at least one of them would have escaped the horrible Browns coaches who held him down and became a viable starting QB in the NFL, but not one did.
Not one Browns QB since '99 left the Browns and ever did anything but be a backup. You think at least one of them would have escaped the horrible Browns coaches who held him down and became a viable starting QB in the NFL, but not one did.
You are absolutely right. People...assholes...say...."if this guy goes to the Browns, he will be ruined". I disagree....I think that it is the Browns that have been ruined by these guys coming here. Hardly any of them have been worth a Sheet....here or anywhere else they have gone.
Oh....and the same is true for any of the coaches we have had here....at least since 1999. Not one of them has gone on to a HC job anywhere else where they have had any success. Crennell looked OK in KC for a while...then his teams did worse than the Browns.
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Not one Browns QB since '99 left the Browns and ever did anything but be a backup. You think at least one of them would have escaped the horrible Browns coaches who held him down and became a viable starting QB in the NFL, but not one did.
You are absolutely right. People...assholes...say...."if this guy goes to the Browns, he will be ruined". I disagree....I think that it is the Browns that have been ruined by these guys coming here. Hardly any of them have been worth a Sheet....here or anywhere else they have gone.
Oh....and the same is true for any of the coaches we have had here....at least since 1999. Not one of them has gone on to a HC job anywhere else where they have had any success. Crennell looked OK in KC for a while...then his teams did worse than the Browns.
You are absolutely right. People...assholes...say...."if this guy goes to the Browns, he will be ruined". I disagree....I think that it is the Browns that have been ruined by these guys coming here. Hardly any of them have been worth a Sheet....here or anywhere else they have gone.
Oh....and the same is true for any of the coaches we have had here....at least since 1999. Not one of them has gone on to a HC job anywhere else where they have had any success. Crennell looked OK in KC for a while...then his teams did worse than the Browns.
I made pretty much the exact same point in another thread about why you need to build a team around a qb. You can't name one qb out of the 20+ starters we've had that went to a "real franchise" or "team with better weapons" that was worth a damn. If it was just the system in Cleveland, at least someone would've broken through elsewhere.
Also, you think a good young qb isn't going to make your team more appealing to good skill players and coaches? Somehow nobody in the fo gets it.
Only hope is that Wentz and watson keep looking great. Then it becomes impossible to ignore the media ridicule about how bad the fo messed up the draft twice in a row.
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Hey look, Wentz had another good game..
Shoulda drafted him..
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