The... I am batting (maybe alone) for the front office thread
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I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
Disillusion?....you said it!...on your part. I respect your opinion, but I have a difficult time understanding how any sane person can watch this crap, knowing these morons have had their plan in place for a year and a half, and still be this incompetent. To read your post, I have to conclude that you're related to Sashi.....or maybe you are Sashi. I've seen too many teams as bad as we were in 2015, and quickly recognize the problems and fix them, to buy into this crap. If there was one ounce of progression or improvement, I would consider that we are headed in the right direction. I've been a passionate fan since the early 60's, and clearly, without any question, this is the worst I've seen with this organization. There has been NO improvement in coaching, execution by the players, or talent evaluation. If you're satisfied with what you see after the amount of time these clowns have had, you are the most patient person on Earth. I say...fire them all...immediately. Then, a qualified NFL person can come in and make the changes needed to become a legitimate NFL team.
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Maybe ur right, maybe they thought ossweiler would start anyway so why keep mccown. Just yet again we somehow end up making the butt backwards mistake. And mccown goes and plays pretty damn well for the jets. He's like the 12th highest rated qb ir something like that, i mean ffs
You know he’d be hurt if he were with us too, and meanwhile we’d lose one of the guys we currently have.
So all these other teams that turn it around in a year or 2 are wrong? Teams suck, 2 years later they're good.
But nooooooooooiooooooooooooooooooooooooo not the Browns!
I call BS!
Who among them has been bad for as long as the Browns have? I’ll hang up and listen.
You know he’d be hurt if he were with us too, and meanwhile we’d lose one of the guys we currently have.
Not so sure he'd be hurt if he was only coming in for a game or a half at a time. He's dine fine pulling full duty with the jets. But losing hogan or kessler omg omg no, not that, anything but that
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With a team that's 1-23 Sashi Brown went home at 5pm the night before the trade deadline. The coaching staff and others were in office working the phones. This same night Jimmy G. goes to SF for a 2nd rounder. Now either Sashis work ethic sucks, he's completely lost in denial or both.
With a team that's 1-23 Sashi Brown went home at 5pm the night before the trade deadline. The coaching staff and others were in office working the phones. This same night Jimmy G. goes to SF for a 2nd rounder. Now either Sashis work ethic sucks, he's completely lost in denial or both.
I kinda vote for both.
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Just read a story that had Mike Silver talking to Hue's daughter on Twitter.
She pretty much let it out that the Browns weren't even making calls to NE about Jimmy even though Hue really wanted him.
http://brownswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/31/hue-jacksons-daughter-sounds-off-on-browns-front-office/
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Maybe even Hue has grown to dislike the process.
Maybe even Hue has grown to dislike the process.
I think the seperation between the coaching staff and front office has continued. However, Jimmy trusts Sashi over Hue
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Fire DePodesta and hire someone from the NHL.....why not we hired him from baseball
Move Sashi back where he belongs .... to the HR department, ... let him draft on the first pick game and not a real one...
Bring in a FOOTBALL man to run a FOOTBALL team .....
Fire the quarterback whisperer ......
Bring in a FOOTBALL man to run a FOOTBALL team .....
T And using non football people to pick the players has only made it worse
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
As for those in denial..theres no other recourse but to blow it all up.. it simply is not working...
As for those in denial..theres no other recourse but to blow it all up.. it simply is not working...
you're Shmucking stupid
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
With a team that's 1-23 Sashi Brown went home at 5pm the night before the trade deadline. The coaching staff and others were in office working the phones. This same night Jimmy G. goes to SF for a 2nd rounder. Now either Sashis work ethic sucks, he's completely lost in denial or both.
With a team that's 1-23 Sashi Brown went home at 5pm the night before the trade deadline. The coaching staff and others were in office working the phones. This same night Jimmy G. goes to SF for a 2nd rounder. Now either Sashis work ethic sucks, he's completely lost in denial or both.
Jimmy G is overrated, plus if you'd read anything other than Tony Grossi's hysterics you would've learned that the Browns also offered a 2nd round pick and change for him. NE rejected that offer for SF who probably sweetened it by releasing Hoyer whom NE can claim for their backup.
Objectively this is the best defense we've fielded since the return and that can consistently stop the run. They've made mistakes, firstly they didn't need to strip the team to the studs but could have built around a core of Schwartz, Gabriel, Sheard, Haden and a few others I can't recall. Passing on Wentz was a gamble they took to acquire more players (6 so far, plus more next draft I think), plus Wentz wasn't a sure thing either; Grossi didn't like him either.
I think they presented Jimmy with a four year plan,what's the point blowing it up halfway? Randy Lerner listened to the fans and brought in Holmgren when Mangini had started turning things around, how did that work out?
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Apparently the plan this year is to go winless and get the #1 pick. Seriously, a team this bad and no deals before the deadline?
Apparently the plan this year is to go winless and get the #1 pick. Seriously, a team this bad and no deals before the deadline?
Haven't you heard? The SS 1-23 Brownstanic is right on course and it's full steam ahead, and nothing can possibly stand in its way to arriving at its destiny............
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Maybe we should promote the special advisor
- Owners – Jimmy and Dee Haslam
- Chief Strategy Officer – Paul DePodesta
- Executive Vice President of Football Operations – Sashi Brown
- Vice President, Player Personnel – Andrew Berry
- Vice President, Player Personnel - Ken Kovash
- Senior Football Executive - Ryan Grigson
- Director of Football Administration - Chris Cooper
- Director of Research & Strategy - Kevin Meers
- Director of Player Personnel - Chisolm Opara
- Director of College Scouting - Bobby Vega
- Director of Pro Scouting - Dan Saganey
- Director of Scouting - Mike Cetta
- Assistant Director of Scouting - Glenn Cook
- Special Advisor – Jim Brown
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you're Shmucking stupid
Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
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Maybe we should promote the special advisor
- Owners – Jimmy and Dee Haslam
- Chief Strategy Officer – Paul DePodesta
- Executive Vice President of Football Operations – Sashi Brown
- Vice President, Player Personnel – Andrew Berry
- Vice President, Player Personnel - Ken Kovash
- Senior Football Executive - Ryan Grigson
- Director of Football Administration - Chris Cooper
- Director of Research & Strategy - Kevin Meers
- Director of Player Personnel - Chisolm Opara
- Director of College Scouting - Bobby Vega
- Director of Pro Scouting - Dan Saganey
- Director of Scouting - Mike Cetta
- Assistant Director of Scouting - Glenn Cook
- Special Advisor – Jim Brown
Maybe we should promote the special advisor
- Owners – Jimmy and Dee Haslam
- Chief Strategy Officer – Paul DePodesta
- Executive Vice President of Football Operations – Sashi Brown
- Vice President, Player Personnel – Andrew Berry
- Vice President, Player Personnel - Ken Kovash
- Senior Football Executive - Ryan Grigson
- Director of Football Administration - Chris Cooper
- Director of Research & Strategy - Kevin Meers
- Director of Player Personnel - Chisolm Opara
- Director of College Scouting - Bobby Vega
- Director of Pro Scouting - Dan Saganey
- Director of Scouting - Mike Cetta
- Assistant Director of Scouting - Glenn Cook
- Special Advisor – Jim Brown
We have a dude named Chisolm in the FO? How exactly is that pronounced?
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you're Shmucking stupid
Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
Are you sure you are watching American Football?
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Bring in a FOOTBALL man to run a FOOTBALL team .....
T And using non football people to pick the players has only made it worse
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
Bringing in a "football guy" in and of itself certainly isn't always the answer. The there we had are just great examples of bringing in the wrong guy. Holmgren probaby was the right guy 10 years ago but was in full coast mode. Lombardi is well....Lombardi and I cant really explain Farmer.
Point being bringing in a football guy isnt a guarantee but bringing in the RIGHT football guy couldnt hurt. Wish we had brought in Tom Coughlin in some capacity.
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Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
The right football guy is the key. Having guys in charge that don't know the game intimately is just brain dead thinking. And about what I expect from our stupid hillbilly owner. Hell, Jackson's daughter was tweeting that you can't make trades or know what's out there if you don't pick up a phone... Referring about stoshthepudpuller gm
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4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
The right football guy is the key. Having guys in charge that don't know the game intimately is just brain dead thinking. And about what I expect from our stupid hillbilly owner. Hell, Jackson's daughter was tweeting that you can't make trades or know what's out there if you don't pick up a phone... Referring about stoshthepudpuller gm
The right football guy is the key. Having guys in charge that don't know the game intimately is just brain dead thinking. And about what I expect from our stupid hillbilly owner. Hell, Jackson's daughter was tweeting that you can't make trades or know what's out there if you don't pick up a phone... Referring about stoshthepudpuller gm
You oughta know better than to argue with a zit faced millenial.. LOL!.. You might hurt those snowflake feelings of thiers.. they need safe places n Sheet...
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