The... I am batting (maybe alone) for the front office thread
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Fire DePodesta and hire someone from the NHL.....why not we hired him from baseball
Move Sashi back where he belongs .... to the HR department, ... let him draft on the first pick game and not a real one...
Bring in a FOOTBALL man to run a FOOTBALL team .....
Fire the quarterback whisperer ......
Bring in a FOOTBALL man to run a FOOTBALL team .....
T And using non football people to pick the players has only made it worse
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
As for those in denial..theres no other recourse but to blow it all up.. it simply is not working...
As for those in denial..theres no other recourse but to blow it all up.. it simply is not working...
you're Shmucking stupid
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
With a team that's 1-23 Sashi Brown went home at 5pm the night before the trade deadline. The coaching staff and others were in office working the phones. This same night Jimmy G. goes to SF for a 2nd rounder. Now either Sashis work ethic sucks, he's completely lost in denial or both.
With a team that's 1-23 Sashi Brown went home at 5pm the night before the trade deadline. The coaching staff and others were in office working the phones. This same night Jimmy G. goes to SF for a 2nd rounder. Now either Sashis work ethic sucks, he's completely lost in denial or both.
Jimmy G is overrated, plus if you'd read anything other than Tony Grossi's hysterics you would've learned that the Browns also offered a 2nd round pick and change for him. NE rejected that offer for SF who probably sweetened it by releasing Hoyer whom NE can claim for their backup.
Objectively this is the best defense we've fielded since the return and that can consistently stop the run. They've made mistakes, firstly they didn't need to strip the team to the studs but could have built around a core of Schwartz, Gabriel, Sheard, Haden and a few others I can't recall. Passing on Wentz was a gamble they took to acquire more players (6 so far, plus more next draft I think), plus Wentz wasn't a sure thing either; Grossi didn't like him either.
I think they presented Jimmy with a four year plan,what's the point blowing it up halfway? Randy Lerner listened to the fans and brought in Holmgren when Mangini had started turning things around, how did that work out?
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Apparently the plan this year is to go winless and get the #1 pick. Seriously, a team this bad and no deals before the deadline?
Apparently the plan this year is to go winless and get the #1 pick. Seriously, a team this bad and no deals before the deadline?
Haven't you heard? The SS 1-23 Brownstanic is right on course and it's full steam ahead, and nothing can possibly stand in its way to arriving at its destiny............
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Maybe we should promote the special advisor
- Owners – Jimmy and Dee Haslam
- Chief Strategy Officer – Paul DePodesta
- Executive Vice President of Football Operations – Sashi Brown
- Vice President, Player Personnel – Andrew Berry
- Vice President, Player Personnel - Ken Kovash
- Senior Football Executive - Ryan Grigson
- Director of Football Administration - Chris Cooper
- Director of Research & Strategy - Kevin Meers
- Director of Player Personnel - Chisolm Opara
- Director of College Scouting - Bobby Vega
- Director of Pro Scouting - Dan Saganey
- Director of Scouting - Mike Cetta
- Assistant Director of Scouting - Glenn Cook
- Special Advisor – Jim Brown
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you're Shmucking stupid
Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
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Maybe we should promote the special advisor
- Owners – Jimmy and Dee Haslam
- Chief Strategy Officer – Paul DePodesta
- Executive Vice President of Football Operations – Sashi Brown
- Vice President, Player Personnel – Andrew Berry
- Vice President, Player Personnel - Ken Kovash
- Senior Football Executive - Ryan Grigson
- Director of Football Administration - Chris Cooper
- Director of Research & Strategy - Kevin Meers
- Director of Player Personnel - Chisolm Opara
- Director of College Scouting - Bobby Vega
- Director of Pro Scouting - Dan Saganey
- Director of Scouting - Mike Cetta
- Assistant Director of Scouting - Glenn Cook
- Special Advisor – Jim Brown
Maybe we should promote the special advisor
- Owners – Jimmy and Dee Haslam
- Chief Strategy Officer – Paul DePodesta
- Executive Vice President of Football Operations – Sashi Brown
- Vice President, Player Personnel – Andrew Berry
- Vice President, Player Personnel - Ken Kovash
- Senior Football Executive - Ryan Grigson
- Director of Football Administration - Chris Cooper
- Director of Research & Strategy - Kevin Meers
- Director of Player Personnel - Chisolm Opara
- Director of College Scouting - Bobby Vega
- Director of Pro Scouting - Dan Saganey
- Director of Scouting - Mike Cetta
- Assistant Director of Scouting - Glenn Cook
- Special Advisor – Jim Brown
We have a dude named Chisolm in the FO? How exactly is that pronounced?
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you're Shmucking stupid
Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
Are you sure you are watching American Football?
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Bring in a FOOTBALL man to run a FOOTBALL team .....
T And using non football people to pick the players has only made it worse
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
Bringing in a "football guy" in and of itself certainly isn't always the answer. The there we had are just great examples of bringing in the wrong guy. Holmgren probaby was the right guy 10 years ago but was in full coast mode. Lombardi is well....Lombardi and I cant really explain Farmer.
Point being bringing in a football guy isnt a guarantee but bringing in the RIGHT football guy couldnt hurt. Wish we had brought in Tom Coughlin in some capacity.
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Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
The right football guy is the key. Having guys in charge that don't know the game intimately is just brain dead thinking. And about what I expect from our stupid hillbilly owner. Hell, Jackson's daughter was tweeting that you can't make trades or know what's out there if you don't pick up a phone... Referring about stoshthepudpuller gm
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4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
The right football guy is the key. Having guys in charge that don't know the game intimately is just brain dead thinking. And about what I expect from our stupid hillbilly owner. Hell, Jackson's daughter was tweeting that you can't make trades or know what's out there if you don't pick up a phone... Referring about stoshthepudpuller gm
The right football guy is the key. Having guys in charge that don't know the game intimately is just brain dead thinking. And about what I expect from our stupid hillbilly owner. Hell, Jackson's daughter was tweeting that you can't make trades or know what's out there if you don't pick up a phone... Referring about stoshthepudpuller gm
You oughta know better than to argue with a zit faced millenial.. LOL!.. You might hurt those snowflake feelings of thiers.. they need safe places n Sheet...
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Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
And railing for a 1-23 organization is what??
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
The problem with the FO is that they sacrificed finding a franchise QB for everything else. There were many people here, including myself, who were in on Wentz, to me that was better than trading down for picks, would you rather have Wentz or all the players acquired in trading that pick away? I bet just about every browns fan would take Wentz. Would you rather have DeShaun Watson or Peppers and the Texans first next yr? Right now I bet most fans would take Watson. The further away you pick a QB from the first round the less likely he will be a franchise QB, you are more likely to find that guy in the first. So far this FO with with 4 1st round picks has drafted zero QBs. Maybe Kizer gets right, I truely hope he does, but things aren't looking all that promising to this point. The value this FO has put on the QB position has been borne out by this teams play.
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Carson Wentz is not the only QB on planet earth. There are other drafts there are other players and we have boatload of picks.
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Carson Wentz is not the only QB on planet earth. There are other drafts there are other players and we have boatload of picks.
Carson Wentz is not the only QB on planet earth. There are other drafts there are other players and we have boatload of picks.
I'd agree with you if the front office was a part of the organization we have faith in. You can have 20 picks but if you don't hit on them, they are useless. On a 1-15 team you'd think a first round pick would be a consistent starter and producer. Sashi & Co have yet to pick one. Now many say "it's early" or "guys have been hurt" but those are rationalizations in a bottom line business and ones that were not afforded to other GMs and coaches.
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Carson Wentz is not the only QB on planet earth. There are other drafts there are other players and we have boatload of picks.
Carson Wentz is not the only QB on planet earth. There are other drafts there are other players and we have boatload of picks.
For the last 2 years we have heard we have a boat load of picks but if you don't use them properly it doesn't mean anything. I would rather have a franchise QB than the picks. Its harded to find a quality QB then it is to find a quality WR or CB or LB or whatever. At what point do you pull the trigger on the QB how often can you kick the can down the road?
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Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
And railing for a 1-23 organization is what??
And railing for a 1-23 organization is what??
Well, considering as I’ve said repeatedly over he last two years that I’d wait until the 2018 season to judge...
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And railing for a 1-23 organization is what??
Well, considering as I’ve said repeatedly over he last two years that I’d wait until the 2018 season to judge...
Well, considering as I’ve said repeatedly over he last two years that I’d wait until the 2018 season to judge...
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
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