The... I am batting (maybe alone) for the front office thread
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Bring in a FOOTBALL man to run a FOOTBALL team .....
T And using non football people to pick the players has only made it worse
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
Bringing in a "football guy" in and of itself certainly isn't always the answer. The there we had are just great examples of bringing in the wrong guy. Holmgren probaby was the right guy 10 years ago but was in full coast mode. Lombardi is well....Lombardi and I cant really explain Farmer.
Point being bringing in a football guy isnt a guarantee but bringing in the RIGHT football guy couldnt hurt. Wish we had brought in Tom Coughlin in some capacity.
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Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
The right football guy is the key. Having guys in charge that don't know the game intimately is just brain dead thinking. And about what I expect from our stupid hillbilly owner. Hell, Jackson's daughter was tweeting that you can't make trades or know what's out there if you don't pick up a phone... Referring about stoshthepudpuller gm
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4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
The right football guy is the key. Having guys in charge that don't know the game intimately is just brain dead thinking. And about what I expect from our stupid hillbilly owner. Hell, Jackson's daughter was tweeting that you can't make trades or know what's out there if you don't pick up a phone... Referring about stoshthepudpuller gm
The right football guy is the key. Having guys in charge that don't know the game intimately is just brain dead thinking. And about what I expect from our stupid hillbilly owner. Hell, Jackson's daughter was tweeting that you can't make trades or know what's out there if you don't pick up a phone... Referring about stoshthepudpuller gm
You oughta know better than to argue with a zit faced millenial.. LOL!.. You might hurt those snowflake feelings of thiers.. they need safe places n Sheet...
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Ok, I'm stupid. But I know 4, 6 or 7 are bigger numbers than one or zero. Even coaches kid know this FO is FU
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
And railing for a 1-23 organization is what??
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
The problem with the FO is that they sacrificed finding a franchise QB for everything else. There were many people here, including myself, who were in on Wentz, to me that was better than trading down for picks, would you rather have Wentz or all the players acquired in trading that pick away? I bet just about every browns fan would take Wentz. Would you rather have DeShaun Watson or Peppers and the Texans first next yr? Right now I bet most fans would take Watson. The further away you pick a QB from the first round the less likely he will be a franchise QB, you are more likely to find that guy in the first. So far this FO with with 4 1st round picks has drafted zero QBs. Maybe Kizer gets right, I truely hope he does, but things aren't looking all that promising to this point. The value this FO has put on the QB position has been borne out by this teams play.
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Carson Wentz is not the only QB on planet earth. There are other drafts there are other players and we have boatload of picks.
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Carson Wentz is not the only QB on planet earth. There are other drafts there are other players and we have boatload of picks.
Carson Wentz is not the only QB on planet earth. There are other drafts there are other players and we have boatload of picks.
I'd agree with you if the front office was a part of the organization we have faith in. You can have 20 picks but if you don't hit on them, they are useless. On a 1-15 team you'd think a first round pick would be a consistent starter and producer. Sashi & Co have yet to pick one. Now many say "it's early" or "guys have been hurt" but those are rationalizations in a bottom line business and ones that were not afforded to other GMs and coaches.
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Carson Wentz is not the only QB on planet earth. There are other drafts there are other players and we have boatload of picks.
Carson Wentz is not the only QB on planet earth. There are other drafts there are other players and we have boatload of picks.
For the last 2 years we have heard we have a boat load of picks but if you don't use them properly it doesn't mean anything. I would rather have a franchise QB than the picks. Its harded to find a quality QB then it is to find a quality WR or CB or LB or whatever. At what point do you pull the trigger on the QB how often can you kick the can down the road?
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Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
And railing for a 1-23 organization is what??
And railing for a 1-23 organization is what??
Well, considering as I’ve said repeatedly over he last two years that I’d wait until the 2018 season to judge...
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And railing for a 1-23 organization is what??
Well, considering as I’ve said repeatedly over he last two years that I’d wait until the 2018 season to judge...
Well, considering as I’ve said repeatedly over he last two years that I’d wait until the 2018 season to judge...
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
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Well, considering as I’ve said repeatedly over he last two years that I’d wait until the 2018 season to judge...
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
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Yeah this FO is great.. 1-23
Passed on Wentz,
Passed on JuJu Smith-Scheuster
Drafted 4 WRs in 2016 and they are all garbage, except for the oft-injured Corey Coleman
These guys are geniuses..
Yeah this FO is great.. 1-23
Passed on Wentz,
Passed on JuJu Smith-Scheuster
Drafted 4 WRs in 2016 and they are all garbage, except for the oft-injured Corey Coleman
These guys are geniuses..
Come on dude you forgot the 2 big time free agent WR that they signed in the last 2 years ROFLMFAO
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The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
I was born in 89 and i'm hungry for ever to see us win NOW.
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You know he’d be hurt if he were with us too, and meanwhile we’d lose one of the guys we currently have.
Who among them has been bad for as long as the Browns have? I’ll hang up and listen.
The Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans were atrocious for years (decades in the case of Bucs and Saints). Yet, they used traditional methods to get out of the hole.
The Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans were atrocious for years (decades in the case of Bucs and Saints). Yet, they used traditional methods to get out of the hole.
When exactly did the Texans do this? If you're referring to now, well they've had a pretty decent team since about 2010. If you're going to count 2013 as some kind of "hole" that they got out of then you have no interest in actual analysis here.
The Saints have been mediocre for years. Not great but not terrible. Yeah they're really good this year. When was this hole though?
The Bucs built the team before Winston got there.
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
People really value their 4 wins around here. It's astonishing. I've even caught people saying outright that they'd take 4 wins a year over the potential wins of this FO. Really weird.
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
Huh? On a thread where 95% of posters want to fire people you're saying we have patience?
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Well, it may not be the method per se.....but it is certainly the execution of the method.
You can input all the analytics you want into this situation. YOu still have to evaluate and pick proper talent after you have applied the analytics. And this group wouldn't know talent if it came up and gave them a forearm shiver.
Well, it may not be the method per se.....but it is certainly the execution of the method.
You can input all the analytics you want into this situation. YOu still have to evaluate and pick proper talent after you have applied the analytics. And this group wouldn't know talent if it came up and gave them a forearm shiver.
^^^Garrett was a no brainer. +1.
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
That failed TC, so we put a lawyer and a baseball guy in charge- BRILLIANT!!! If that doesn't work try the NHL (or NBA) next for talent evaluators.... 5-11 this year is a pipe dream, if that comes to pass I'll damn near be dancing in the street I'll be so happy.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
Exactly- and I predate 1964. I'm running out of "next years"-fast. I mean like how totally disgusting is it to see- teams like the Panthers make the SB, go into the pits, retool and get there again while the Browns continue to suck, and suck bad is a testament it's not impossible to turn a franchise around in less than-what is it now going on 20 years? The millenials have no F**cking clue on what it was like to have a team that was in playoff contention every year. To their credit, they've stuck with this doo-doo show longer than would reasonably been expected. Us oldsters know this is a bad, bad team. Hell, the 1999 and few years after expansions Browns didn't look this lousy, and the dysfunctionality of the entire organization at this point is truly breathtaking.
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The Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans were atrocious for years (decades in the case of Bucs and Saints). Yet, they used traditional methods to get out of the hole.
When exactly did the Texans do this? If you're referring to now, well they've had a pretty decent team since about 2010. If you're going to count 2013 as some kind of "hole" that they got out of then you have no interest in actual analysis here.
The Saints have been mediocre for years. Not great but not terrible. Yeah they're really good this year. When was this hole though?
The Bucs built the team before Winston got there.
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
People really value their 4 wins around here. It's astonishing. I've even caught people saying outright that they'd take 4 wins a year over the potential wins of this FO. Really weird.
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
Huh? On a thread where 95% of posters want to fire people you're saying we have patience?
People really value their 4 wins around here. It's astonishing. I've even caught people saying outright that they'd take 4 wins a year over the potential wins of this FO. Really weird.
LALALALA potential doesn't mean crap War. I value 4 wins over ZERO got it? that's the damn object of the game. If this was like European soccer, the Browns would get relegated to the minor league.
"The Process" is going to get tweaked- you know the buzzword is continual process improvement- and there's a hell of a lot at this point that needs improving.
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Well, it may not be the method per se.....but it is certainly the execution of the method.
You can input all the analytics you want into this situation. YOu still have to evaluate and pick proper talent after you have applied the analytics. And this group wouldn't know talent if it came up and gave them a forearm shiver.
^^^Garrett was a no brainer. +1.
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
That failed TC, so we put a lawyer and a baseball guy in charge- BRILLIANT!!! If that doesn't work try the NHL (or NBA) next for talent evaluators.... 5-11 this year is a pipe dream, if that comes to pass I'll damn near be dancing in the street I'll be so happy.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
Exactly- and I predate 1964. I'm running out of "next years"-fast. I mean like how totally disgusting is it to see- teams like the Panthers make the SB, go into the pits, retool and get there again while the Browns continue to suck, and suck bad is a testament it's not impossible to turn a franchise around in less than-what is it now going on 20 years? The millenials have no F**cking clue on what it was like to have a team that was in playoff contention every year. To their credit, they've stuck with this doo-doo show longer than would reasonably been expected. Us oldsters know this is a bad, bad team. Hell, the 1999 and few years after expansions Browns didn't look this lousy, and the dysfunctionality of the entire organization at this point is truly breathtaking.
Exactly- and I predate 1964. I'm running out of "next years"-fast. I mean like how totally disgusting is it to see- teams like the Panthers make the SB, go into the pits, retool and get there again while the Browns continue to suck, and suck bad is a testament it's not impossible to turn a franchise around in less than-what is it now going on 20 years? The millenials have no F**cking clue on what it was like to have a team that was in playoff contention every year. To their credit, they've stuck with this doo-doo show longer than would reasonably been expected. Us oldsters know this is a bad, bad team. Hell, the 1999 and few years after expansions Browns didn't look this lousy, and the dysfunctionality of the entire organization at this point is truly breathtaking.
How many years must we wait? It's one thing to be impatient, and another to see lack of progress. Literally chickens could make better draft picks, it's been proven. They've done a great job at saving Jimmy money, and a shitty job of producing an NFL offense. I get it's a "process", but how about the FO addressing us fans this bye week and explaining the plan. Are we getting a quarterback? Or are they going to sign Charlie Whitehurst for next season and draft a one armed sleeper quarterback in the 7th round.
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on moneyball and DePo - the year after leading the Dodgers to their first playoff win in 16 years, he was fired after the 2005 club finished with its worst record in 11 years.
I have friends in LA that told me they cheered when Depo was fired from the Dodgers, and that moneyball was cowpoop. What's next? Jimmy hires a milkman and a bar maid to run the front office?
I may not be the best at math, and jimmy might know how to run a business, but he has no clue about an NFL franchise. I wonder what he was promised with this F.O. , what was delivered, and if Hue and Sashi/Depo even see eye to eye about things.
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The Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans were atrocious for years (decades in the case of Bucs and Saints). Yet, they used traditional methods to get out of the hole.
When exactly did the Texans do this? If you're referring to now, well they've had a pretty decent team since about 2010. If you're going to count 2013 as some kind of "hole" that they got out of then you have no interest in actual analysis here.
The Saints have been mediocre for years. Not great but not terrible. Yeah they're really good this year. When was this hole though?
The Bucs built the team before Winston got there.
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
People really value their 4 wins around here. It's astonishing. I've even caught people saying outright that they'd take 4 wins a year over the potential wins of this FO. Really weird.
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
Huh? On a thread where 95% of posters want to fire people you're saying we have patience?
When exactly did the Texans do this? If you're referring to now, well they've had a pretty decent team since about 2010. If you're going to count 2013 as some kind of "hole" that they got out of then you have no interest in actual analysis here.
The Saints have been mediocre for years. Not great but not terrible. Yeah they're really good this year. When was this hole though?
The Bucs built the team before Winston got there.
War, you are showing your age.
Think further back. The Bucs and Saints were absolute jokes for years. They both built teams using traditional methods and won championships. The Texans were hot garbage their first 7-8 years or so.
None of them salted the Earth and then tried to rebuild.
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The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
I'm with you D Bone (one year younger). My dad is gone now and I know he thought he would see at least one Super Bowl (back in 1987). I'm not sure we will get to see one. Now I see how well they handled the McCarron trade and am convinced that they are complete idiots. We are never going to win with the people that we have evaluating talent.
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