The... I am batting (maybe alone) for the front office thread
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And railing for a 1-23 organization is what??
Well, considering as I’ve said repeatedly over he last two years that I’d wait until the 2018 season to judge...
Well, considering as I’ve said repeatedly over he last two years that I’d wait until the 2018 season to judge...
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
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Well, considering as I’ve said repeatedly over he last two years that I’d wait until the 2018 season to judge...
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
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Yeah this FO is great.. 1-23
Passed on Wentz,
Passed on JuJu Smith-Scheuster
Drafted 4 WRs in 2016 and they are all garbage, except for the oft-injured Corey Coleman
These guys are geniuses..
Yeah this FO is great.. 1-23
Passed on Wentz,
Passed on JuJu Smith-Scheuster
Drafted 4 WRs in 2016 and they are all garbage, except for the oft-injured Corey Coleman
These guys are geniuses..
Come on dude you forgot the 2 big time free agent WR that they signed in the last 2 years ROFLMFAO
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The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
I was born in 89 and i'm hungry for ever to see us win NOW.
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You know he’d be hurt if he were with us too, and meanwhile we’d lose one of the guys we currently have.
Who among them has been bad for as long as the Browns have? I’ll hang up and listen.
The Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans were atrocious for years (decades in the case of Bucs and Saints). Yet, they used traditional methods to get out of the hole.
The Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans were atrocious for years (decades in the case of Bucs and Saints). Yet, they used traditional methods to get out of the hole.
When exactly did the Texans do this? If you're referring to now, well they've had a pretty decent team since about 2010. If you're going to count 2013 as some kind of "hole" that they got out of then you have no interest in actual analysis here.
The Saints have been mediocre for years. Not great but not terrible. Yeah they're really good this year. When was this hole though?
The Bucs built the team before Winston got there.
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
People really value their 4 wins around here. It's astonishing. I've even caught people saying outright that they'd take 4 wins a year over the potential wins of this FO. Really weird.
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
Huh? On a thread where 95% of posters want to fire people you're saying we have patience?
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Well, it may not be the method per se.....but it is certainly the execution of the method.
You can input all the analytics you want into this situation. YOu still have to evaluate and pick proper talent after you have applied the analytics. And this group wouldn't know talent if it came up and gave them a forearm shiver.
Well, it may not be the method per se.....but it is certainly the execution of the method.
You can input all the analytics you want into this situation. YOu still have to evaluate and pick proper talent after you have applied the analytics. And this group wouldn't know talent if it came up and gave them a forearm shiver.
^^^Garrett was a no brainer. +1.
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
That failed TC, so we put a lawyer and a baseball guy in charge- BRILLIANT!!! If that doesn't work try the NHL (or NBA) next for talent evaluators.... 5-11 this year is a pipe dream, if that comes to pass I'll damn near be dancing in the street I'll be so happy.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
Exactly- and I predate 1964. I'm running out of "next years"-fast. I mean like how totally disgusting is it to see- teams like the Panthers make the SB, go into the pits, retool and get there again while the Browns continue to suck, and suck bad is a testament it's not impossible to turn a franchise around in less than-what is it now going on 20 years? The millenials have no F**cking clue on what it was like to have a team that was in playoff contention every year. To their credit, they've stuck with this doo-doo show longer than would reasonably been expected. Us oldsters know this is a bad, bad team. Hell, the 1999 and few years after expansions Browns didn't look this lousy, and the dysfunctionality of the entire organization at this point is truly breathtaking.
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The Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans were atrocious for years (decades in the case of Bucs and Saints). Yet, they used traditional methods to get out of the hole.
When exactly did the Texans do this? If you're referring to now, well they've had a pretty decent team since about 2010. If you're going to count 2013 as some kind of "hole" that they got out of then you have no interest in actual analysis here.
The Saints have been mediocre for years. Not great but not terrible. Yeah they're really good this year. When was this hole though?
The Bucs built the team before Winston got there.
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
People really value their 4 wins around here. It's astonishing. I've even caught people saying outright that they'd take 4 wins a year over the potential wins of this FO. Really weird.
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
Huh? On a thread where 95% of posters want to fire people you're saying we have patience?
People really value their 4 wins around here. It's astonishing. I've even caught people saying outright that they'd take 4 wins a year over the potential wins of this FO. Really weird.
LALALALA potential doesn't mean crap War. I value 4 wins over ZERO got it? that's the damn object of the game. If this was like European soccer, the Browns would get relegated to the minor league.
"The Process" is going to get tweaked- you know the buzzword is continual process improvement- and there's a hell of a lot at this point that needs improving.
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Well, it may not be the method per se.....but it is certainly the execution of the method.
You can input all the analytics you want into this situation. YOu still have to evaluate and pick proper talent after you have applied the analytics. And this group wouldn't know talent if it came up and gave them a forearm shiver.
^^^Garrett was a no brainer. +1.
Holmgren (30+ years NFL experience) - 5-11, 4-12, 5-11
Lombardi (30 years NFL experience) - 4-12
Farmer (former player, 10 years NFL experience) - 7-9, 3-13
Yeah, having a "football guy in charge" really made a ton of difference...
I swear to God, you guys are dumb as hell.
That failed TC, so we put a lawyer and a baseball guy in charge- BRILLIANT!!! If that doesn't work try the NHL (or NBA) next for talent evaluators.... 5-11 this year is a pipe dream, if that comes to pass I'll damn near be dancing in the street I'll be so happy.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
Exactly- and I predate 1964. I'm running out of "next years"-fast. I mean like how totally disgusting is it to see- teams like the Panthers make the SB, go into the pits, retool and get there again while the Browns continue to suck, and suck bad is a testament it's not impossible to turn a franchise around in less than-what is it now going on 20 years? The millenials have no F**cking clue on what it was like to have a team that was in playoff contention every year. To their credit, they've stuck with this doo-doo show longer than would reasonably been expected. Us oldsters know this is a bad, bad team. Hell, the 1999 and few years after expansions Browns didn't look this lousy, and the dysfunctionality of the entire organization at this point is truly breathtaking.
Exactly- and I predate 1964. I'm running out of "next years"-fast. I mean like how totally disgusting is it to see- teams like the Panthers make the SB, go into the pits, retool and get there again while the Browns continue to suck, and suck bad is a testament it's not impossible to turn a franchise around in less than-what is it now going on 20 years? The millenials have no F**cking clue on what it was like to have a team that was in playoff contention every year. To their credit, they've stuck with this doo-doo show longer than would reasonably been expected. Us oldsters know this is a bad, bad team. Hell, the 1999 and few years after expansions Browns didn't look this lousy, and the dysfunctionality of the entire organization at this point is truly breathtaking.
How many years must we wait? It's one thing to be impatient, and another to see lack of progress. Literally chickens could make better draft picks, it's been proven. They've done a great job at saving Jimmy money, and a shitty job of producing an NFL offense. I get it's a "process", but how about the FO addressing us fans this bye week and explaining the plan. Are we getting a quarterback? Or are they going to sign Charlie Whitehurst for next season and draft a one armed sleeper quarterback in the 7th round.
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on moneyball and DePo - the year after leading the Dodgers to their first playoff win in 16 years, he was fired after the 2005 club finished with its worst record in 11 years.
I have friends in LA that told me they cheered when Depo was fired from the Dodgers, and that moneyball was cowpoop. What's next? Jimmy hires a milkman and a bar maid to run the front office?
I may not be the best at math, and jimmy might know how to run a business, but he has no clue about an NFL franchise. I wonder what he was promised with this F.O. , what was delivered, and if Hue and Sashi/Depo even see eye to eye about things.
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The Saints, Buccaneers, and Texans were atrocious for years (decades in the case of Bucs and Saints). Yet, they used traditional methods to get out of the hole.
When exactly did the Texans do this? If you're referring to now, well they've had a pretty decent team since about 2010. If you're going to count 2013 as some kind of "hole" that they got out of then you have no interest in actual analysis here.
The Saints have been mediocre for years. Not great but not terrible. Yeah they're really good this year. When was this hole though?
The Bucs built the team before Winston got there.
4,6 and 7 get us a lot of postseason play, don’t they?
Remember that awesome 4 win season where we made it to the AFC Championship? How about that 5 win season where we almost won the Super Bowl?
Clamoring for a “football guy” because he can get us to 4 wins is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
People really value their 4 wins around here. It's astonishing. I've even caught people saying outright that they'd take 4 wins a year over the potential wins of this FO. Really weird.
The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
Huh? On a thread where 95% of posters want to fire people you're saying we have patience?
When exactly did the Texans do this? If you're referring to now, well they've had a pretty decent team since about 2010. If you're going to count 2013 as some kind of "hole" that they got out of then you have no interest in actual analysis here.
The Saints have been mediocre for years. Not great but not terrible. Yeah they're really good this year. When was this hole though?
The Bucs built the team before Winston got there.
War, you are showing your age.
Think further back. The Bucs and Saints were absolute jokes for years. They both built teams using traditional methods and won championships. The Texans were hot garbage their first 7-8 years or so.
None of them salted the Earth and then tried to rebuild.
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The amount of patience we as fans have is astounding.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
The younger the fan, the more patience they have......... I remember going to bed the night of January 11, 1987 and thinking "Well, today really sucked, but by the time I'm my dad's age, the Browns will have a couple of Super Bowl wins".
I am now approaching my Dad's age at that time - 50 in three weeks, and now honestly wonder if I will ever see another Browns playoff game again...... and I'm not trying to be funny either, as I seriously don't know if I will ever see one before my lights go out.
I get that the younger dudes are more "wait until next year, and you'll see" - hell, I was there too.............. but, be careful what you wish for, as 'next year' never comes and in the blink of an eye, you're past the 1/2 way point of your time on this planet.
I'm with you D Bone (one year younger). My dad is gone now and I know he thought he would see at least one Super Bowl (back in 1987). I'm not sure we will get to see one. Now I see how well they handled the McCarron trade and am convinced that they are complete idiots. We are never going to win with the people that we have evaluating talent.
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It's hilarious... These millenials just don't get what its like around here during playoff time when the browns are involved...I'm sick of waiting....
It's hilarious... These millenials just don't get what its like around here during playoff time when the browns are involved...I'm sick of waiting....
I went through my entire adolescence and beyond with the Browns being in the playoffs.
From the time I was 12 until I was 20 the Browns only missed the playoff 2 years.....and were in it 7 times. And this was before the expanded playoff system.
And then in the decade when I was between 28-38, they were in the playoffs again for like 7 out of those 10 years.
But they have only been it the playoff twice since 1989.....
So, it seems to me that yes, practically 2 generations of Browns fans have gone without having the Browns be a decent, playoff team.
But I certainly remember how crazy it was...and how it could be the same again.
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It's hilarious... These millenials just don't get what its like around here during playoff time when the browns are involved...I'm sick of waiting....
I went through my entire adolescence and beyond with the Browns being in the playoffs.
From the time I was 12 until I was 20 the Browns only missed the playoff 2 years.....and were in it 7 times. And this was before the expanded playoff system.
And then in the decade when I was between 28-38, they were in the playoffs again for like 7 out of those 10 years.
But they have only been it the playoff twice since 1989.....
So, it seems to me that yes, practically 2 generations of Browns fans have gone without having the Browns be a decent, playoff team.
But I certainly remember how crazy it was...and how it could be the same again.
I went through my entire adolescence and beyond with the Browns being in the playoffs.
From the time I was 12 until I was 20 the Browns only missed the playoff 2 years.....and were in it 7 times. And this was before the expanded playoff system.
And then in the decade when I was between 28-38, they were in the playoffs again for like 7 out of those 10 years.
But they have only been it the playoff twice since 1989.....
So, it seems to me that yes, practically 2 generations of Browns fans have gone without having the Browns be a decent, playoff team.
But I certainly remember how crazy it was...and how it could be the same again.
Gip.. Those two seasons the Browns made the playoffs.. At least to me felt like frauds.. Especially Butch Davis's squad...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I went through my entire adolescence and beyond with the Browns being in the playoffs.
From the time I was 12 until I was 20 the Browns only missed the playoff 2 years.....and were in it 7 times. And this was before the expanded playoff system.
And then in the decade when I was between 28-38, they were in the playoffs again for like 7 out of those 10 years.
But they have only been it the playoff twice since 1989.....
So, it seems to me that yes, practically 2 generations of Browns fans have gone without having the Browns be a decent, playoff team.
But I certainly remember how crazy it was...and how it could be the same again.
Gip.. Those two seasons the Browns made the playoffs.. At least to me felt like frauds.. Especially Butch Davis's squad...
Gip.. Those two seasons the Browns made the playoffs.. At least to me felt like frauds.. Especially Butch Davis's squad...
The 1994 team was legit...built from the ground up and even won a playoff game and was going to be a contender for awhile if not for the move. Butchs' team was pretty good too. Only a Dennis Dropcutt butterfingers moment away from beating the squeelers in Pittsburgh.
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When exactly did the Texans do this? If you're referring to now, well they've had a pretty decent team since about 2010. If you're going to count 2013 as some kind of "hole" that they got out of then you have no interest in actual analysis here.
The Saints have been mediocre for years. Not great but not terrible. Yeah they're really good this year. When was this hole though?
The Bucs built the team before Winston got there.
War, you are showing your age.
Think further back. The Bucs and Saints were absolute jokes for years. They both built teams using traditional methods and won championships. The Texans were hot garbage their first 7-8 years or so.
None of them salted the Earth and then tried to rebuild.
War, you are showing your age.
Think further back. The Bucs and Saints were absolute jokes for years. They both built teams using traditional methods and won championships. The Texans were hot garbage their first 7-8 years or so.
None of them salted the Earth and then tried to rebuild.
Exactly the 'Aints (as their fans called them at the time) started the tradition of wearing paper bags on their heads to games. FWIW- looked it up, the Saints first season was 1967. (also the first year of the SB, though it wasn't called that then) They won the Super Bowl in 2009. The Browns as well as the Lions are the only two remaining "old" teams that have never been. & at the rate of progress we're currently seeing- our first visit to the promised land isn't coming anytime soon.
IT'S ABOUT FREAKING TIME ALREADY!!!!
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How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
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How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
Because this team hasn't been relevant in a decade. Just one shit show after another. I'm happy you're excited our 0-8 defense has nice rankings. Those of us who have been fans for a long time (40+ years in my case) are tired of waiting around when teams go from the dumpster to contenders in just a couple years. Speaking for myself...the last few years have finally broken me as a fan. I still watch and want them to win every week, but the days of me caring or getting even remotely upset are long gone. It will take a lot of good play on the field to get me to care about this shit sandwich of a franchise like I used to.
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How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
I believe everyone has acknowledged improvement on the defense. The problem is the offense is horrendous and the front office is ran by a gaggle of autistic kids.
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How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
Because this team hasn't been relevant in a decade. Just one shit show after another. I'm happy you're excited our 0-8 defense has nice rankings. Those of us who have been fans for a long time (40+ years in my case) are tired of waiting around when teams go from the dumpster to contenders in just a couple years. Speaking for myself...the last few years have finally broken me as a fan. I still watch and want them to win every week, but the days of me caring or getting even remotely upset are long gone. It will take a lot of good play on the field to get me to care about this shit sandwich of a franchise like I used to.
Because this team hasn't been relevant in a decade. Just one Sheet show after another. I'm happy you're excited our 0-8 defense has nice rankings. Those of us who have been fans for a long time (40+ years in my case) are tired of waiting around when teams go from the dumpster to contenders in just a couple years. Speaking for myself...the last few years have finally broken me as a fan. I still watch and want them to win every week, but the days of me caring or getting even remotely upset are long gone. It will take a lot of good play on the field to get me to care about this Sheet sandwich of a franchise like I used to.
You're speaking for me also Mark, and I go back all the way to the days of Jim Brown. The Titans disaster that I drove 200 miles to see finally did it. I've always said I'd burn my season tickets rather than sell them to a fan of another team- but I finally got so fed up I told my lifelong pal Don (who's the ticket holder of record) screw it- dump those seats for whatever you can get, I'm not wasting my time anymore this season going to games. Our 20 yard line lower deck netted us 40 cents on a dollar. It's not just me that got worn out spending 24 hours of my weekend and six hours of driving up for the games, Don only has a 12 mile drive from Independence to the stadium, and he's not bothering going either.
Canton Mike is boycotting too, and I hope Jimmy looks at a half empty stadium that's filled mostly with fans from the other team to realize- your team has essentially become unwatchable.
And to those that say there's bight spots- sure there are. It's like way back in my Grandpa's day before they starting using chlorine at the sewage station. Seeing a tomato plant growing in a pile of crap, and saying- wow, ain't that pretty!!!!!
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Because this team hasn't been relevant in a decade. Just one Sheet show after another. I'm happy you're excited our 0-8 defense has nice rankings. Those of us who have been fans for a long time (40+ years in my case) are tired of waiting around when teams go from the dumpster to contenders in just a couple years. Speaking for myself...the last few years have finally broken me as a fan. I still watch and want them to win every week, but the days of me caring or getting even remotely upset are long gone. It will take a lot of good play on the field to get me to care about this Sheet sandwich of a franchise like I used to.
You're speaking for me also Mark, and I go back all the way to the days of Jim Brown. The Titans disaster that I drove 200 miles to see finally did it. I've always said I'd burn my season tickets rather than sell them to a fan of another team- but I finally got so fed up I told my lifelong pal Don (who's the ticket holder of record) screw it- dump those seats for whatever you can get, I'm not wasting my time anymore this season going to games. Our 20 yard line lower deck netted us 40 cents on a dollar. It's not just me that got worn out spending 24 hours of my weekend and six hours of driving up for the games, Don only has a 12 mile drive from Independence to the stadium, and he's not bothering going either.
Canton Mike is boycotting too, and I hope Jimmy looks at a half empty stadium that's filled mostly with fans from the other team to realize- your team has essentially become unwatchable.
And to those that say there's bight spots- sure there are. It's like way back in my Grandpa's day before they starting using chlorine at the sewage station. Seeing a tomato plant growing in a pile of crap, and saying- wow, ain't that pretty!!!!!
You're speaking for me also Mark, and I go back all the way to the days of Jim Brown. The Titans disaster that I drove 200 miles to see finally did it. I've always said I'd burn my season tickets rather than sell them to a fan of another team- but I finally got so fed up I told my lifelong pal Don (who's the ticket holder of record) screw it- dump those seats for whatever you can get, I'm not wasting my time anymore this season going to games. Our 20 yard line lower deck netted us 40 cents on a dollar. It's not just me that got worn out spending 24 hours of my weekend and six hours of driving up for the games, Don only has a 12 mile drive from Independence to the stadium, and he's not bothering going either.
I'd have a hard time going if i lived back there, even if I had tickets. I've turned down free tickets to watch them play the Chargers, I'd rather stay home so I can watch the other games at the same time and not be stuck with the Browns.
Next year's trip to Cleveland is all about going to see OSU play for me. I've never seen the Buckeyes play in person, so I'm coming back for an early season game where I can get tickets without needing a 2nd mortgage on my house. If the Browns are home the same weekend as the OSU game that works best for me, I'll go see them play too, otherwise, I'll just come back to see OSU play.
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