AJ McCarron
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Someone is going to have to take the fall for this no doubt. I really am trying to be optimistic and firmly believe we shouldn't blow the whole thing up but damn something has to give. If I'm jimmy I demote Sashi and De, bring in Peyton, and give Hue the ultimatum to hire a OC or fire his butt. Also wtf were they trying to trade for AJ McCarron. Dude straight sucks and can beat out mediocre Andy Dalton and for a 2nd and 3rd. Good God are they stupid. They could have had Cousin and Jummy G for a single 2nd. Once again they embarrassed us in front of the nation and now ESPN and FS1 are calling them out.
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Just for the record I don't think I remember anybody on this board demanding that AJ McCarron was the key piece of the puzzle up until we read the story that the trade for him didn't come through.
WSS
Just for the record I don't think I remember anybody on this board demanding that AJ McCarron was the key piece of the puzzle up until we read the story that the trade for him didn't come through.
WSS
I don't want him. At all. I think the story just points our how desperate we are, and perhaps how amateur we are.
Zombo
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This is a case where it's better to be lucky than good.
I think the trade was toast before it started because the process began way too late. Getting all angry about it ASSUMES that the trade would have been possible to complete.. and I don't believe that was ever the reality.
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Well, from the information I've gathered, the Browns and Bengals both messed up. Both teams have to submit the trade before the deadline, not just one, and it's not only on the blame of the Browns, but both parties. Mary Kay Cabot is a horrible source for info on the subject.
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Well, from the information I've gathered, the Browns and Bengals both messed up. Both teams have to submit the trade before the deadline, not just one, and it's not only on the blame of the Browns, but both parties. Mary Kay Cabot is a horrible source for info on the subject.
Browns and Bengals both messed up
Yes, they did.. and they've both completed many trades. Do you actually think there was something magical about this one?
Or.... perhaps all the T-crossing and I-dotting of the "NFL Trade Process" simply at present requires time for each step that wasn't available.
Until they change the process there is a time after which no trade can complete......... which is before the "trade deadline".............. because that's the minimum time required for the paperwork to get done even if both parties are sitting at the fax machine / scanner and ready to do all the signing and emailing back.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Just for the record I don't think I remember anybody on this board demanding that AJ McCarron was the key piece of the puzzle up until we read the story that the trade for him didn't come through.
WSS
I don't want him. At all. I think the story just points our how desperate we are, and perhaps how amateur we are.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I don't want him. At all. I think the story just points our how desperate we are, and perhaps how amateur we are.
Zombo
It's sad, Z- it really is. I understand being patient, but could we see maybe a shred of something that would give you confidence we could just maybe win a game this year? Year two of a rebuild should have us at better than 0-8 looking at 0-16.
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Browns and Bengals both messed up
Yes, they did.. and they've both completed many trades. Do you actually think there was something magical about this one?
Or.... perhaps all the T-crossing and I-dotting of the "NFL Trade Process" simply at present requires time for each step that wasn't available.
Until they change the process there is a time after which no trade can complete......... which is before the "trade deadline".............. because that's the minimum time required for the paperwork to get done even if both parties are sitting at the fax machine / scanner and ready to do all the signing and emailing back.
Yes, they did.. and they've both completed many trades. Do you actually think there was something magical about this one?
Or.... perhaps all the T-crossing and I-dotting of the "NFL Trade Process" simply at present requires time for each step that wasn't available.
Until they change the process there is a time after which no trade can complete......... which is before the "trade deadline".............. because that's the minimum time required for the paperwork to get done even if both parties are sitting at the fax machine / scanner and ready to do all the signing and emailing back.
If sashi really did leave early, and didn't care about the trade then he's obviously sending a message to hue. follow the process and don't try to win or get your own QB or else i'll burn you.
Sashi definitely isn't stupid, and he didn't want the trade, so if this Sheet is true either the coaches or FO will for sure get fired.
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Zombo said:
I don't want him. At all. I think the story just points our how desperate we are, and perhaps how amateur we are.
Zombo
It's sad, Z- it really is. I understand being patient, but could we see maybe a shred of something that would give you confidence we could just maybe win a game this year? Year two of a rebuild should have us at better than 0-8 looking at 0-16.
It's sad, Z- it really is. I understand being patient, but could we see maybe a shred of something that would give you confidence we could just maybe win a game this year?
F.O. doesn't want to win this year. They want the #1 pick. It's obvious. Why else would we have no QB on the roster who won a game. Sure our line has improved, but they're waiting for the magic #1 pick next year, which i hope we hit on.
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Hue negotiated this deal and got Jimmy to back him. We've seen this reported in a couple of places. The front office was against the trade and messed up sending it to the league office. Or did they?
We've become a reality show.
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Hue should just go full on rogue.... Speak his mind at his press conferences and if a question leads to one or more of the Brain Trust Jackoffs in the FO needing to get thrown under the bus for one of their brilliant personnel decisions , phucking do it.
God I hate these phukers.
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Albert Breer from MMQB was on the local sports radio show on the commute home today.
According to him, the Bengals and the Browns struck a deal early yesterday afternoon.
The Browns subsequently backed out of said deal, then came full circle and wanted to do the deal.
The clock ran out on the deal, and the rest is history.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
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There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
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Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
That's terrifying price to pay for an audition. It's also terrifying to think that he might have played "decent" and the Browns might have skipped over another top QB because of AJ McCarron.
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Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
That's terrifying price to pay for an audition. It's also terrifying to think that he might have played "decent" and the Browns might have skipped over another top QB because of AJ McCarron.
That's terrifying price to pay for an audition. It's also terrifying to think that he might have played "decent" and the Browns might have skipped over another top QB because of AJ McCarron.
I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
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As far as I’m concerned Sashi Brown is a hero for jumping on that freaking hand grenade
Sashi's made some good moves, also some very bad ones. Hue lost his QB guru status a long time ago London. Whoever the Browns choose as their QBOTF in 2018 (take that one to the bank) I DO NOT want Jackson involved in any way in the process, that's assuming he's still even the Browns coach at the time. Right now it's not looking good for Hueless the Clueless. RG III, Kessler, Kizer.
I will buy the notion this was a desperation move by (whoever- really don't care anymore who came up with the idea) to try and win a game. That was a MHO foolish attempt at WAY overpaying for McCarron, if Garropolo was only worth a second. You can say we don't know about Jimmy because he's been backing up one of the all-time greats, but AJ can't beat out Andy? I think someone pointed out if McCarron couldn't do that- he's not a true franchise QB- but apparently Hue's deluded himself into thinking that somehow he is. Just like when he saw Griffin's workout and felt the earth move. Sheeze, excuse me while I barf. The Clown Show is getting truly sickening.
Sashi's made some good moves, also some very bad ones. Hue lost his QB guru status a long time ago London. Whoever the Browns choose as their QBOTF in 2018 (take that one to the bank) I DO NOT want Jackson involved in any way in the process, that's assuming he's still even the Browns coach at the time. Right now it's not looking good for Hueless the Clueless. RG III, Kessler, Kizer.
I will buy the notion this was a desperation move by (whoever- really don't care anymore who came up with the idea) to try and win a game. That was a MHO foolish attempt at WAY overpaying for McCarron, if Garropolo was only worth a second. You can say we don't know about Jimmy because he's been backing up one of the all-time greats, but AJ can't beat out Andy? I think someone pointed out if McCarron couldn't do that- he's not a true franchise QB- but apparently Hue's deluded himself into thinking that somehow he is. Just like when he saw Griffin's workout and felt the earth move. Sheeze, excuse me while I barf. The Clown Show is getting truly sickening.
Can’t argue with any of that.
People can shout about passing on Wentz all they want but seem to forget Hue’s comments on RG3
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That's terrifying price to pay for an audition. It's also terrifying to think that he might have played "decent" and the Browns might have skipped over another top QB because of AJ McCarron.
I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
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I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
I'm not saying it's the right choice, but its how I would see it playing out.
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Just for the record I don't think I remember anybody on this board demanding that AJ McCarron was the key piece of the puzzle up until we read the story that the trade for him didn't come through.
WSS
Just for the record I don't think I remember anybody on this board demanding that AJ McCarron was the key piece of the puzzle up until we read the story that the trade for him didn't come through.
WSS
I am glad they did NOT make the deal. I don't see this guy much better than what we have here.
I would have rather had Kaepernick for nothing....even with all the baggage that comes with him.
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There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
It's a good question Dutch..AJ is to be a "Restricted FA" next season..Were the Browns. Were going to pay regardless.. 1. Your trading a Huejax kid to Hue in your own division & giving up the rights to match any offer next season on AJ..Think that's where the 3rd comes from? 2. Mark O right. 3. We know who Kess & Hogan are.Picture coming into focus on Kizer? .If a 1st Round QB projected talent surpasses any of them? Sure ya got to take another QB in Rd. 1 regardless of AJ imo
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