AJ McCarron
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Albert Breer from MMQB was on the local sports radio show on the commute home today.
According to him, the Bengals and the Browns struck a deal early yesterday afternoon.
The Browns subsequently backed out of said deal, then came full circle and wanted to do the deal.
The clock ran out on the deal, and the rest is history.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
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There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
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Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
That's terrifying price to pay for an audition. It's also terrifying to think that he might have played "decent" and the Browns might have skipped over another top QB because of AJ McCarron.
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Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
That's terrifying price to pay for an audition. It's also terrifying to think that he might have played "decent" and the Browns might have skipped over another top QB because of AJ McCarron.
That's terrifying price to pay for an audition. It's also terrifying to think that he might have played "decent" and the Browns might have skipped over another top QB because of AJ McCarron.
I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
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As far as I’m concerned Sashi Brown is a hero for jumping on that freaking hand grenade
Sashi's made some good moves, also some very bad ones. Hue lost his QB guru status a long time ago London. Whoever the Browns choose as their QBOTF in 2018 (take that one to the bank) I DO NOT want Jackson involved in any way in the process, that's assuming he's still even the Browns coach at the time. Right now it's not looking good for Hueless the Clueless. RG III, Kessler, Kizer.
I will buy the notion this was a desperation move by (whoever- really don't care anymore who came up with the idea) to try and win a game. That was a MHO foolish attempt at WAY overpaying for McCarron, if Garropolo was only worth a second. You can say we don't know about Jimmy because he's been backing up one of the all-time greats, but AJ can't beat out Andy? I think someone pointed out if McCarron couldn't do that- he's not a true franchise QB- but apparently Hue's deluded himself into thinking that somehow he is. Just like when he saw Griffin's workout and felt the earth move. Sheeze, excuse me while I barf. The Clown Show is getting truly sickening.
Sashi's made some good moves, also some very bad ones. Hue lost his QB guru status a long time ago London. Whoever the Browns choose as their QBOTF in 2018 (take that one to the bank) I DO NOT want Jackson involved in any way in the process, that's assuming he's still even the Browns coach at the time. Right now it's not looking good for Hueless the Clueless. RG III, Kessler, Kizer.
I will buy the notion this was a desperation move by (whoever- really don't care anymore who came up with the idea) to try and win a game. That was a MHO foolish attempt at WAY overpaying for McCarron, if Garropolo was only worth a second. You can say we don't know about Jimmy because he's been backing up one of the all-time greats, but AJ can't beat out Andy? I think someone pointed out if McCarron couldn't do that- he's not a true franchise QB- but apparently Hue's deluded himself into thinking that somehow he is. Just like when he saw Griffin's workout and felt the earth move. Sheeze, excuse me while I barf. The Clown Show is getting truly sickening.
Can’t argue with any of that.
People can shout about passing on Wentz all they want but seem to forget Hue’s comments on RG3
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That's terrifying price to pay for an audition. It's also terrifying to think that he might have played "decent" and the Browns might have skipped over another top QB because of AJ McCarron.
I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
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I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
I'm not saying it's the right choice, but its how I would see it playing out.
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Just for the record I don't think I remember anybody on this board demanding that AJ McCarron was the key piece of the puzzle up until we read the story that the trade for him didn't come through.
WSS
Just for the record I don't think I remember anybody on this board demanding that AJ McCarron was the key piece of the puzzle up until we read the story that the trade for him didn't come through.
WSS
I am glad they did NOT make the deal. I don't see this guy much better than what we have here.
I would have rather had Kaepernick for nothing....even with all the baggage that comes with him.
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There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
It's a good question Dutch..AJ is to be a "Restricted FA" next season..Were the Browns. Were going to pay regardless.. 1. Your trading a Huejax kid to Hue in your own division & giving up the rights to match any offer next season on AJ..Think that's where the 3rd comes from? 2. Mark O right. 3. We know who Kess & Hogan are.Picture coming into focus on Kizer? .If a 1st Round QB projected talent surpasses any of them? Sure ya got to take another QB in Rd. 1 regardless of AJ imo
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I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
Or you pass on a serviceable QB for Brandon Weeden. If it was easy there would be 32 QBs in the NFL who were drafted and kicking butt.
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But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
Or you pass on a serviceable QB for Brandon Weeden. If it was easy there would be 32 QBs in the NFL who were drafted and kicking butt.
Or you pass on a serviceable QB for Brandon Weeden. If it was easy there would be 32 QBs in the NFL who were drafted and kicking butt.
There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
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Or you pass on a serviceable QB for Brandon Weeden. If it was easy there would be 32 QBs in the NFL who were drafted and kicking butt.
There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
Ok Johnny Manziel, Brady Quinn, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, on and on. I agree the best way to find "the guy" is the draft but it is 75 percent luck. To act as though it's a no-brainer that next year the Browns will draft their Carson Went is laughable, plausible, but ultimately a long shot. Each year between 2-4 QBs are taken in the first round and 25 percent end up being "the guy" and not always for a long time.
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Or you pass on a serviceable QB for Brandon Weeden. If it was easy there would be 32 QBs in the NFL who were drafted and kicking butt.
There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
We don't know that. The SW Bungle Ohio take is a lot of their fans have soured on Dalton. (FWIW, saw an article saying the Bengals know exactly what they have in Dalton). He's a middle of the road QB that needs perfect surroundings to succeed. Hence the Drafting of WRs and RBs high every time- at the expense of the defense. I might add from my perspective, he folds faster than a a house of cards when the bright lights or playoffs are on the line. I'm not going to bother to look it up, but I'll bet his QBR in those situations is worse than what Kizer has shown to date in the regular season.
That begs the question- why is Marvin Lewis so reluctant to play AJ, if Dalton continues to be mediocre? Of course- the Bengals aren't idiots (like someone on the Browns) who put a multiple draft pick value on McCarron. If he was that good, he'd be playing, not Andy.
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There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
Ok Johnny Manziel, Brady Quinn, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, on and on. I agree the best way to find "the guy" is the draft but it is 75 percent luck. To act as though it's a no-brainer that next year the Browns will draft their Carson Went is laughable, plausible, but ultimately a long shot. Each year between 2-4 QBs are taken in the first round and 25 percent end up being "the guy" and not always for a long time.
Ok Johnny Manziel, Brady Quinn, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, on and on. I agree the best way to find "the guy" is the draft but it is 75 percent luck. To act as though it's a no-brainer that next year the Browns will draft their Carson Went is laughable, plausible, but ultimately a long shot. Each year between 2-4 QBs are taken in the first round and 25 percent end up being "the guy" and not always for a long time.
So the Browns should have been happy to end up with a "serviceable" QB like McCarron than to scout and draft a QB who could be an honest to god franchise QB?
This kind of sounds like the guys on here who say that Wentz or Watson wouldn't be as good on the Browns as they are on the Eagles and Texans, as a kind of excuse or reason for the Browns to not have drafted them.
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Ok Johnny Manziel, Brady Quinn, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, on and on. I agree the best way to find "the guy" is the draft but it is 75 percent luck. To act as though it's a no-brainer that next year the Browns will draft their Carson Went is laughable, plausible, but ultimately a long shot. Each year between 2-4 QBs are taken in the first round and 25 percent end up being "the guy" and not always for a long time.
So the Browns should have been happy to end up with a "serviceable" QB like McCarron than to scout and draft a QB who could be an honest to god franchise QB?
This kind of sounds like the guys on here who say that Wentz or Watson wouldn't be as good on the Browns as they are on the Eagles and Texans, as a kind of excuse or reason for the Browns to not have drafted them.
So the Browns should have been happy to end up with a "serviceable" QB like McCarron than to scout and draft a QB who could be an honest to god franchise QB?
This kind of sounds like the guys on here who say that Wentz or Watson wouldn't be as good on the Browns as they are on the Eagles and Texans, as a kind of excuse or reason for the Browns to not have drafted them.
Not at all, hell I didn't want McCaroon. It is an ideology. There are 10 teams in the NFL right now who have a "franchise" QB and the other 22 are looking for one. You don't simply keep throwing darts at the board each year trying to draft your franchise guy. With each passing draft you draft the best talent you can with the best picks you can get and slot them where they need to be. If you don't have a strong young talent at a position you try and bring in veteran depth.
If they draft a QB this year and stink for the next 3 many will say, "hey they tried". Trying isn't good enough. If you like Wentz or Watson you draft him, if you don't, then don't. What you can't do is pass on talent to add picks thinking, "next year is the year of the QB". Right now Baker Mayfield looks like the best QB in the country and you and I wouldn't trust him to lead a CFL team, well maybe CFL. It is an inexact science and while I don't think you shy away from drafting a QB, you can't force it or manufacture it. If you could 22 teams would have already done it.
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So the Browns should have been happy to end up with a "serviceable" QB like McCarron than to scout and draft a QB who could be an honest to god franchise QB?
This kind of sounds like the guys on here who say that Wentz or Watson wouldn't be as good on the Browns as they are on the Eagles and Texans, as a kind of excuse or reason for the Browns to not have drafted them.
Not at all, hell I didn't want McCaroon. It is an ideology. There are 10 teams in the NFL right now who have a "franchise" QB and the other 22 are looking for one. You don't simply keep throwing darts at the board each year trying to draft your franchise guy. With each passing draft you draft the best talent you can with the best picks you can get and slot them where they need to be. If you don't have a strong young talent at a position you try and bring in veteran depth.
If they draft a QB this year and stink for the next 3 many will say, "hey they tried". Trying isn't good enough. If you like Wentz or Watson you draft him, if you don't, then don't. What you can't do is pass on talent to add picks thinking, "next year is the year of the QB". Right now Baker Mayfield looks like the best QB in the country and you and I wouldn't trust him to lead a CFL team, well maybe CFL. It is an inexact science and while I don't think you shy away from drafting a QB, you can't force it or manufacture it. If you could 22 teams would have already done it.
There are 10 teams in the NFL right now who have a "franchise" QB and the other 22 are looking for one.
Who are the 10? I'd think there's more than that but I"m curious to know who you think are the 10 teams that are set.
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That's terrifying price to pay for an audition. It's also terrifying to think that he might have played "decent" and the Browns might have skipped over another top QB because of AJ McCarron.
I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
Here's another thing I just realized Mark. The attempted McCarron move officially threw Kizer under the bus. Not like I've been preaching it from Day One that I didn't like Deshone at all. Some of the brain trust on the Browns was just a little bit slower coming to the realization.
It gets you to thinking Hue got outvoted by the "consensus" anal-itics guys a bunch of times, he got tired of Sashi and DePo's crap and went directly to the uber boss telling him- "I can't win with Kizer." What this means to me is either Hue or Sashi are gone, or Sashi at the very least is going to get demoted to contract only work.
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not a fan of AJ and don't want him, but you know who else we 'wasted' a second and third on? The hot garbage that is Kessler and Kizer....thats your 2nd and 3rd right there as well.
So the idea that this front office or hue would value total garbage as being worth a 2nd and 3rd sounds about right.
And heck as much as I wouldnt want AJ he's better than kessler + kizer
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Hue should just go full on rogue.... Speak his mind at his press conferences and if a question leads to one or more of the Brain Trust Jackoffs in the FO needing to get thrown under the bus for one of their brilliant personnel decisions , phucking do it.
God I hate these phukers.
Hue should just go full on rogue.... Speak his mind at his press conferences and if a question leads to one or more of the Brain Trust Jackoffs in the FO needing to get thrown under the bus for one of their brilliant personnel decisions , phucking do it.
God I hate these phukers.
Speak his mind? Who wants to hear that schidt? Isn't it bad enough that we have to watch the dumb bastard on Sunday?
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