AJ McCarron
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There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
Have to assume he would've played the last 8 games. Taking a QB next draft all depends on the performance in those 8 games.
It's a good question Dutch..AJ is to be a "Restricted FA" next season..Were the Browns. Were going to pay regardless.. 1. Your trading a Huejax kid to Hue in your own division & giving up the rights to match any offer next season on AJ..Think that's where the 3rd comes from? 2. Mark O right. 3. We know who Kess & Hogan are.Picture coming into focus on Kizer? .If a 1st Round QB projected talent surpasses any of them? Sure ya got to take another QB in Rd. 1 regardless of AJ imo
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I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
Or you pass on a serviceable QB for Brandon Weeden. If it was easy there would be 32 QBs in the NFL who were drafted and kicking butt.
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But at the end of the day, you skip over another proverbial Wentz for a kid who can't beat out the ginger in Cincinnati.
Or you pass on a serviceable QB for Brandon Weeden. If it was easy there would be 32 QBs in the NFL who were drafted and kicking butt.
Or you pass on a serviceable QB for Brandon Weeden. If it was easy there would be 32 QBs in the NFL who were drafted and kicking butt.
There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
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Or you pass on a serviceable QB for Brandon Weeden. If it was easy there would be 32 QBs in the NFL who were drafted and kicking butt.
There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
Ok Johnny Manziel, Brady Quinn, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, on and on. I agree the best way to find "the guy" is the draft but it is 75 percent luck. To act as though it's a no-brainer that next year the Browns will draft their Carson Went is laughable, plausible, but ultimately a long shot. Each year between 2-4 QBs are taken in the first round and 25 percent end up being "the guy" and not always for a long time.
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Or you pass on a serviceable QB for Brandon Weeden. If it was easy there would be 32 QBs in the NFL who were drafted and kicking butt.
There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
We don't know that. The SW Bungle Ohio take is a lot of their fans have soured on Dalton. (FWIW, saw an article saying the Bengals know exactly what they have in Dalton). He's a middle of the road QB that needs perfect surroundings to succeed. Hence the Drafting of WRs and RBs high every time- at the expense of the defense. I might add from my perspective, he folds faster than a a house of cards when the bright lights or playoffs are on the line. I'm not going to bother to look it up, but I'll bet his QBR in those situations is worse than what Kizer has shown to date in the regular season.
That begs the question- why is Marvin Lewis so reluctant to play AJ, if Dalton continues to be mediocre? Of course- the Bengals aren't idiots (like someone on the Browns) who put a multiple draft pick value on McCarron. If he was that good, he'd be playing, not Andy.
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There is absolutely no hindsight needed to know that Weeden was an awful pick in the first round. There was no "luck of the draw" with Weeden. The guy was a 29 year old rookie who didn't use a playbook in his college offense.
I mean, seriously, what is the ceiling on McCarron?
Ok Johnny Manziel, Brady Quinn, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, on and on. I agree the best way to find "the guy" is the draft but it is 75 percent luck. To act as though it's a no-brainer that next year the Browns will draft their Carson Went is laughable, plausible, but ultimately a long shot. Each year between 2-4 QBs are taken in the first round and 25 percent end up being "the guy" and not always for a long time.
Ok Johnny Manziel, Brady Quinn, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, on and on. I agree the best way to find "the guy" is the draft but it is 75 percent luck. To act as though it's a no-brainer that next year the Browns will draft their Carson Went is laughable, plausible, but ultimately a long shot. Each year between 2-4 QBs are taken in the first round and 25 percent end up being "the guy" and not always for a long time.
So the Browns should have been happy to end up with a "serviceable" QB like McCarron than to scout and draft a QB who could be an honest to god franchise QB?
This kind of sounds like the guys on here who say that Wentz or Watson wouldn't be as good on the Browns as they are on the Eagles and Texans, as a kind of excuse or reason for the Browns to not have drafted them.
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Ok Johnny Manziel, Brady Quinn, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, on and on. I agree the best way to find "the guy" is the draft but it is 75 percent luck. To act as though it's a no-brainer that next year the Browns will draft their Carson Went is laughable, plausible, but ultimately a long shot. Each year between 2-4 QBs are taken in the first round and 25 percent end up being "the guy" and not always for a long time.
So the Browns should have been happy to end up with a "serviceable" QB like McCarron than to scout and draft a QB who could be an honest to god franchise QB?
This kind of sounds like the guys on here who say that Wentz or Watson wouldn't be as good on the Browns as they are on the Eagles and Texans, as a kind of excuse or reason for the Browns to not have drafted them.
So the Browns should have been happy to end up with a "serviceable" QB like McCarron than to scout and draft a QB who could be an honest to god franchise QB?
This kind of sounds like the guys on here who say that Wentz or Watson wouldn't be as good on the Browns as they are on the Eagles and Texans, as a kind of excuse or reason for the Browns to not have drafted them.
Not at all, hell I didn't want McCaroon. It is an ideology. There are 10 teams in the NFL right now who have a "franchise" QB and the other 22 are looking for one. You don't simply keep throwing darts at the board each year trying to draft your franchise guy. With each passing draft you draft the best talent you can with the best picks you can get and slot them where they need to be. If you don't have a strong young talent at a position you try and bring in veteran depth.
If they draft a QB this year and stink for the next 3 many will say, "hey they tried". Trying isn't good enough. If you like Wentz or Watson you draft him, if you don't, then don't. What you can't do is pass on talent to add picks thinking, "next year is the year of the QB". Right now Baker Mayfield looks like the best QB in the country and you and I wouldn't trust him to lead a CFL team, well maybe CFL. It is an inexact science and while I don't think you shy away from drafting a QB, you can't force it or manufacture it. If you could 22 teams would have already done it.
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So the Browns should have been happy to end up with a "serviceable" QB like McCarron than to scout and draft a QB who could be an honest to god franchise QB?
This kind of sounds like the guys on here who say that Wentz or Watson wouldn't be as good on the Browns as they are on the Eagles and Texans, as a kind of excuse or reason for the Browns to not have drafted them.
Not at all, hell I didn't want McCaroon. It is an ideology. There are 10 teams in the NFL right now who have a "franchise" QB and the other 22 are looking for one. You don't simply keep throwing darts at the board each year trying to draft your franchise guy. With each passing draft you draft the best talent you can with the best picks you can get and slot them where they need to be. If you don't have a strong young talent at a position you try and bring in veteran depth.
If they draft a QB this year and stink for the next 3 many will say, "hey they tried". Trying isn't good enough. If you like Wentz or Watson you draft him, if you don't, then don't. What you can't do is pass on talent to add picks thinking, "next year is the year of the QB". Right now Baker Mayfield looks like the best QB in the country and you and I wouldn't trust him to lead a CFL team, well maybe CFL. It is an inexact science and while I don't think you shy away from drafting a QB, you can't force it or manufacture it. If you could 22 teams would have already done it.
There are 10 teams in the NFL right now who have a "franchise" QB and the other 22 are looking for one.
Who are the 10? I'd think there's more than that but I"m curious to know who you think are the 10 teams that are set.
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That's terrifying price to pay for an audition. It's also terrifying to think that he might have played "decent" and the Browns might have skipped over another top QB because of AJ McCarron.
I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
Here's another thing I just realized Mark. The attempted McCarron move officially threw Kizer under the bus. Not like I've been preaching it from Day One that I didn't like Deshone at all. Some of the brain trust on the Browns was just a little bit slower coming to the realization.
It gets you to thinking Hue got outvoted by the "consensus" anal-itics guys a bunch of times, he got tired of Sashi and DePo's crap and went directly to the uber boss telling him- "I can't win with Kizer." What this means to me is either Hue or Sashi are gone, or Sashi at the very least is going to get demoted to contract only work.
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not a fan of AJ and don't want him, but you know who else we 'wasted' a second and third on? The hot garbage that is Kessler and Kizer....thats your 2nd and 3rd right there as well.
So the idea that this front office or hue would value total garbage as being worth a 2nd and 3rd sounds about right.
And heck as much as I wouldnt want AJ he's better than kessler + kizer
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Hue should just go full on rogue.... Speak his mind at his press conferences and if a question leads to one or more of the Brain Trust Jackoffs in the FO needing to get thrown under the bus for one of their brilliant personnel decisions , phucking do it.
God I hate these phukers.
Hue should just go full on rogue.... Speak his mind at his press conferences and if a question leads to one or more of the Brain Trust Jackoffs in the FO needing to get thrown under the bus for one of their brilliant personnel decisions , phucking do it.
God I hate these phukers.
Speak his mind? Who wants to hear that schidt? Isn't it bad enough that we have to watch the dumb bastard on Sunday?
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Here's the problem. It doesn't MATTER whose fault it was, it's just another example of how we screwed the donkey and we look absolutely ridiculous...again.
I pretty much hate everything to do with our team right now. The thought of watching Kizer play more games makes me want to vomit, and what's worse is the impending feeling of doom due to the fact we're probably going to blow it all up again. I'm not saying it's what I want, but I feel it coming.
Here's the problem. It doesn't MATTER whose fault it was, it's just another example of how we screwed the donkey and we look absolutely ridiculous...again.
I pretty much hate everything to do with our team right now. The thought of watching Kizer play more games makes me want to vomit, and what's worse is the impending feeling of doom due to the fact we're probably going to blow it all up again. I'm not saying it's what I want, but I feel it coming.
Don't say you don't want to see it blown up as you make fun of everyone involved. What do you think makes Jimmy want to blow it up? Fan disgruntlement.
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Here's the problem. It doesn't MATTER whose fault it was, it's just another example of how we screwed the donkey and we look absolutely ridiculous...again.
I pretty much hate everything to do with our team right now. The thought of watching Kizer play more games makes me want to vomit, and what's worse is the impending feeling of doom due to the fact we're probably going to blow it all up again. I'm not saying it's what I want, but I feel it coming.
Don't say you don't want to see it blown up as you make fun of everyone involved. What do you think makes Jimmy want to blow it up? Fan disgruntlement.
Don't say you don't want to see it blown up as you make fun of everyone involved. What do you think makes Jimmy want to blow it up? Fan disgruntlement.
I wouldn't blame the fans when Jimmy went over the front office to try to please Hue and they disobeyed him. My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
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Don't say you don't want to see it blown up as you make fun of everyone involved. What do you think makes Jimmy want to blow it up? Fan disgruntlement.
I wouldn't blame the fans when Jimmy went over the front office to try to please Hue and they disobeyed him. My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
That’s my concern rather than theory, the quotes are out there from Jimmeh that the 2018 season was the one they were looking at back when they blew it up in 2016.
And here we are halfway through 2017 and everything suggests he wanted to throw away two draft picks over the front offices heads before we’ve even had the bye weekend.
IF it’s the case he’s already backing off the original plan and meddling once again in team affairs then the Browns have no chance while he is owner. Nothing good will ever happen here under Haslam.
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Albert Breer from MMQB was on the local sports radio show on the commute home today.
According to him, the Bengals and the Browns struck a deal early yesterday afternoon.
The Browns subsequently backed out of said deal, then came full circle and wanted to do the deal.
The clock ran out on the deal, and the rest is history.
Albert Breer from MMQB was on the local sports radio show on the commute home today.
According to him, the Bengals and the Browns struck a deal early yesterday afternoon.
The Browns subsequently backed out of said deal, then came full circle and wanted to do the deal.
The clock ran out on the deal, and the rest is history.
Ya, how bout that Harvard graduate? Lol
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There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
The whole thing seems to be a for real clusterphukk. Between the HC, his daughter Baylee, then Stosh getting an earful from Jimmah with the pudpuller no where to be seen and the owners wife is on a big time rag over it all. Not to mention the national media in guffaw mode over it and the local media is in full on lynch mode.
And through it all, I shall remain a very hopeful fan..
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Somewhere Jimmy is sitting on a toilet scratching his head...
Somewhere Jimmy is sitting on a toilet while Dee slaps him in the head.
FIFY...lol
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I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
Here's another thing I just realized Mark. The attempted McCarron move officially threw Kizer under the bus. Not like I've been preaching it from Day One that I didn't like Deshone at all. Some of the brain trust on the Browns was just a little bit slower coming to the realization.
It gets you to thinking Hue got outvoted by the "consensus" anal-itics guys a bunch of times, he got tired of Sashi and DePo's crap and went directly to the uber boss telling him- "I can't win with Kizer." What this means to me is either Hue or Sashi are gone, or Sashi at the very least is going to get demoted to contract only work.
Here's another thing I just realized Mark. The attempted McCarron move officially threw Kizer under the bus. Not like I've been preaching it from Day One that I didn't like Deshone at all. Some of the brain trust on the Browns was just a little bit slower coming to the realization.
Yes of course it did. But Huey has been screwing with Kizer's confidence all season with the way he pulls him in and out of the lineup week after week. The entire situations from the owner all the way down to the coach is one huge dumpster fire.
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Don't say you don't want to see it blown up as you make fun of everyone involved. What do you think makes Jimmy want to blow it up? Fan disgruntlement.
I wouldn't blame the fans when Jimmy went over the front office to try to please Hue and they disobeyed him. My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
I wouldn't blame the fans when Jimmy went over the front office to try to please Hue and they disobeyed him. My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
And Jimmy is easily convinced because none of the fans believe either.
If we were all of one backbone, he wouldn’t be trusting his HC over his GM on trades. Ridiculous
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