Browns Coaching Staff to be fired, FO Likely Retained with addition of GM
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This all just shows how important winning is. Not capital W Winning, as in making the playoffs every year ... the ultimate goal, but winning as in grabbing a game here and there while you are rebuilding.
Already people are talking about losing out and rooting for the 49ers ... and I want to punch them.
We need to win football games.
The coaches are pissed that the FO leaves at 5 PM and is not getting them players while they work their asses off. The veteran players are becoming numb to the losing and there is no "edge" to pass on to the younger players. The young players feel like they got drafted by a joke and are already looking for a way to get out. Jimmy will "Have to do something" and either the FO or the coaching staff will get fired ... or both.
They made a grave mistake in the offseason in my opinion of not trading for someone like Garrapollo that could take the reigns and win us a few games. They made the mistake of keeping us too thin throughout the roster.
I GET totally dismantling the team last year and the resulting 1-15. But you HAVE to go at least 4-12 or 5-11 the next year so that EVERYONE (FO, Coaches, Players ... and even fans) stays on board with the process.
Football is different than the NBA and MLB. You can't tank. The Sixers tanked to get talent, the Astros tanked to get talent .. and results are happening. But in the NFL, these guys are giving up their bodies for you every Sunday. They are risking their careers to play, their livelihoods, their family's livelihood. If they feel you're not trying to win the lockerroom becomes poisoned, the young guys get poisoned and you are forever rebuilding. The coaching staff becomes embittered, the front office becomes isolated and everyone is making plans for their next move instead of giving all for the team.
Last week we sent a struggling rookie QB out there and told him to throw to Ricardo Luis, Rashard Higgins, Sammie Coates, Bryce Treggs, Seth Devalve and rookie David Njoku ... and told him to win against the Vikings defense.
He can't win with those guys. We can't win with those guys. The coaches can't win with those guys, and the front office had plenty of money to go out and get us some guys ... so that we can win some games, build some momentum, have some hope, give the rookies and second year players some confidence and a taste of winning ... and they didn't do it.
Zombo
--Second round picks are not gold ... winning is gold ... and winning begets Winning.
Zombo said:
This all just shows how important winning is. Not capital W Winning, as in making the playoffs every year ... the ultimate goal, but winning as in grabbing a game here and there while you are rebuilding.
Already people are talking about losing out and rooting for the 49ers ... and I want to punch them.
We need to win football games.
The coaches are pissed that the FO leaves at 5 PM and is not getting them players while they work their asses off. The veteran players are becoming numb to the losing and there is no "edge" to pass on to the younger players. The young players feel like they got drafted by a joke and are already looking for a way to get out. Jimmy will "Have to do something" and either the FO or the coaching staff will get fired ... or both.
They made a grave mistake in the offseason in my opinion of not trading for someone like Garrapollo that could take the reigns and win us a few games. They made the mistake of keeping us too thin throughout the roster.
I GET totally dismantling the team last year and the resulting 1-15. But you HAVE to go at least 4-12 or 5-11 the next year so that EVERYONE (FO, Coaches, Players ... and even fans) stays on board with the process.
Football is different than the NBA and MLB. You can't tank. The Sixers tanked to get talent, the Astros tanked to get talent .. and results are happening. But in the NFL, these guys are giving up their bodies for you every Sunday. They are risking their careers to play, their livelihoods, their family's livelihood. If they feel you're not trying to win the lockerroom becomes poisoned, the young guys get poisoned and you are forever rebuilding. The coaching staff becomes embittered, the front office becomes isolated and everyone is making plans for their next move instead of giving all for the team.
Last week we sent a struggling rookie QB out there and told him to throw to Ricardo Luis, Rashard Higgins, Sammie Coates, Bryce Treggs, Seth Devalve and rookie David Njoku ... and told him to win against the Vikings defense.
He can't win with those guys. We can't win with those guys. The coaches can't win with those guys, and the front office had plenty of money to go out and get us some guys ... so that we can win some games, build some momentum, have some hope, give the rookies and second year players some confidence and a taste of winning ... and they didn't do it.
Zombo
--Second round picks are not gold ... winning is gold ... and winning begets Winning.
My bewilderment is why this FO felt it had to play the skinflint on signing players....when they had huge amounts available under the salary cap....and as far as I know they didn't have an owner telling them to cut corners.
Or did they?
As I see it, this has just been them playing their stupid math or value games. "Let's see how little we can spend players we think can help". Problem is....they couldn't tell a player who could help from the team mascot. Because they JUST wanted to play their numbers/statistics game....and not make any real talent evaluations.
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lol McDaniels is never coming to Cleveland. Bank on it
Because it is his goal to take over from Belichick in a couple of years. That basically, I think, has been determined.
In fact, McDaniels may in fact have been a big factor on the Trade of Jimmy G. They may have asked: "is this the guy you want us to commit to going forward when you take over this team?" And his response may have been "I can take him or leave him. If you can get a high 2d round pick for him...we can look at someone else. Especially for the money that he will want to command".
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Calling Dr Howard, Dr Fine, Dr Howard!
Meet the new guys, same as the old
Calling Dr Howard, Dr Fine, Dr Howard!
Meet the new guys, same as the old
Unfortunately....this song does not apply.....because we do keep meeting the new boss, same as the old boss. And we fans keep getting fooled again:
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Calling Dr Howard, Dr Fine, Dr Howard!
Meet the new guys, same as the old
Unfortunately....this song does not apply.....because we do keep meeting the new boss, same as the old boss. And we fans keep getting fooled again:
Unfortunately....this song does not apply.....because we do keep meeting the new boss, same as the old boss. And we fans keep getting fooled again:
And when they decide, shotgun sings the song....
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lol McDaniels is never coming to Cleveland. Bank on it
Because it is his goal to take over from Belichick in a couple of years. That basically, I think, has been determined.
In fact, McDaniels may in fact have been a big factor on the Trade of Jimmy G. They may have asked: "is this the guy you want us to commit to going forward when you take over this team?" And his response may have been "I can take him or leave him. If you can get a high 2d round pick for him...we can look at someone else. Especially for the money that he will want to command".
Because it is his goal to take over from Belichick in a couple of years. That basically, I think, has been determined.
In fact, McDaniels may in fact have been a big factor on the Trade of Jimmy G. They may have asked: "is this the guy you want us to commit to going forward when you take over this team?" And his response may have been "I can take him or leave him. If you can get a high 2d round pick for him...we can look at someone else. Especially for the money that he will want to command".
Grabsapillow was going to be a FA at the end of the year. There's no way NE can afford to pay him and pay Brady. Can't have that much money locked into the QB position. This was their way of getting something for him before losing him for nothing. It's why NE was being criticized since the Browns reportedly offered more than just a 2nd round pick for Grabsapillow on draft day and NE said no.
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Unfortunately....this song does not apply.....because we do keep meeting the new boss, same as the old boss. And we fans keep getting fooled again:
And when they decide, shotgun sings the song....
And when they decide, shotgun sings the song....
Who is getting shot? And when?
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Because it is his goal to take over from Belichick in a couple of years. That basically, I think, has been determined.
In fact, McDaniels may in fact have been a big factor on the Trade of Jimmy G. They may have asked: "is this the guy you want us to commit to going forward when you take over this team?" And his response may have been "I can take him or leave him. If you can get a high 2d round pick for him...we can look at someone else. Especially for the money that he will want to command".
Grabsapillow was going to be a FA at the end of the year. There's no way NE can afford to pay him and pay Brady. Can't have that much money locked into the QB position. This was their way of getting something for him before losing him for nothing. It's why NE was being criticized since the Browns reportedly offered more than just a 2nd round pick for Grabsapillow on draft day and NE said no.
Grabsapillow was going to be a FA at the end of the year. There's no way NE can afford to pay him and pay Brady. Can't have that much money locked into the QB position. This was their way of getting something for him before losing him for nothing. It's why NE was being criticized since the Browns reportedly offered more than just a 2nd round pick for Grabsapillow on draft day and NE said no.
But, do you still think that it is possible that McDaniels said "I CAN live without him"?
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Grabsapillow was going to be a FA at the end of the year. There's no way NE can afford to pay him and pay Brady. Can't have that much money locked into the QB position. This was their way of getting something for him before losing him for nothing. It's why NE was being criticized since the Browns reportedly offered more than just a 2nd round pick for Grabsapillow on draft day and NE said no.
But, do you still think that it is possible that McDaniels said "I CAN live without him"?
But, do you still think that it is possible that McDaniels said "I CAN live without him"?
sure its possible...but I don't think it matters. They can't keep both QB's on the roster beyond this season.
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And when they decide, shotgun sings the song....
Who is getting shot? And when?
Who is getting shot? And when?
The men that spurred them on, that sit in judgement of all wrong.
When they decide.
Great phukking song!
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DePodesta has instructed the scouts to find the Browns the next Justin Verlander in the 2018 draft
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Who is getting shot? And when?
The men that spurred them on, that sit in judgement of all wrong.
When they decide.
Great phukking song!
The men that spurred them on, that sit in judgement of all wrong.
When they decide.
No....that is who is doing the shooting....not who is getting shot.
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The men that spurred them on, that sit in judgement of all wrong.
When they decide.
No....that is who is doing the shooting....not who is getting shot.
Without a specific lyric that I recall, I would say the establishment.
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This all just shows how important winning is. Not capital W Winning, as in making the playoffs every year ... the ultimate goal, but winning as in grabbing a game here and there while you are rebuilding.
Already people are talking about losing out and rooting for the 49ers ... and I want to punch them.
We need to win football games.
The coaches are pissed that the FO leaves at 5 PM and is not getting them players while they work their asses off. The veteran players are becoming numb to the losing and there is no "edge" to pass on to the younger players. The young players feel like they got drafted by a joke and are already looking for a way to get out. Jimmy will "Have to do something" and either the FO or the coaching staff will get fired ... or both.
They made a grave mistake in the offseason in my opinion of not trading for someone like Garrapollo that could take the reigns and win us a few games. They made the mistake of keeping us too thin throughout the roster.
I GET totally dismantling the team last year and the resulting 1-15. But you HAVE to go at least 4-12 or 5-11 the next year so that EVERYONE (FO, Coaches, Players ... and even fans) stays on board with the process.
Football is different than the NBA and MLB. You can't tank. The Sixers tanked to get talent, the Astros tanked to get talent .. and results are happening. But in the NFL, these guys are giving up their bodies for you every Sunday. They are risking their careers to play, their livelihoods, their family's livelihood. If they feel you're not trying to win the lockerroom becomes poisoned, the young guys get poisoned and you are forever rebuilding. The coaching staff becomes embittered, the front office becomes isolated and everyone is making plans for their next move instead of giving all for the team.
Last week we sent a struggling rookie QB out there and told him to throw to Ricardo Luis, Rashard Higgins, Sammie Coates, Bryce Treggs, Seth Devalve and rookie David Njoku ... and told him to win against the Vikings defense.
He can't win with those guys. We can't win with those guys. The coaches can't win with those guys, and the front office had plenty of money to go out and get us some guys ... so that we can win some games, build some momentum, have some hope, give the rookies and second year players some confidence and a taste of winning ... and they didn't do it.
Zombo
--Second round picks are not gold ... winning is gold ... and winning begets Winning.
Zombo said:
This all just shows how important winning is. Not capital W Winning, as in making the playoffs every year ... the ultimate goal, but winning as in grabbing a game here and there while you are rebuilding.
Already people are talking about losing out and rooting for the 49ers ... and I want to punch them.
We need to win football games.
The coaches are pissed that the FO leaves at 5 PM and is not getting them players while they work their asses off. The veteran players are becoming numb to the losing and there is no "edge" to pass on to the younger players. The young players feel like they got drafted by a joke and are already looking for a way to get out. Jimmy will "Have to do something" and either the FO or the coaching staff will get fired ... or both.
They made a grave mistake in the offseason in my opinion of not trading for someone like Garrapollo that could take the reigns and win us a few games. They made the mistake of keeping us too thin throughout the roster.
I GET totally dismantling the team last year and the resulting 1-15. But you HAVE to go at least 4-12 or 5-11 the next year so that EVERYONE (FO, Coaches, Players ... and even fans) stays on board with the process.
Football is different than the NBA and MLB. You can't tank. The Sixers tanked to get talent, the Astros tanked to get talent .. and results are happening. But in the NFL, these guys are giving up their bodies for you every Sunday. They are risking their careers to play, their livelihoods, their family's livelihood. If they feel you're not trying to win the lockerroom becomes poisoned, the young guys get poisoned and you are forever rebuilding. The coaching staff becomes embittered, the front office becomes isolated and everyone is making plans for their next move instead of giving all for the team.
Last week we sent a struggling rookie QB out there and told him to throw to Ricardo Luis, Rashard Higgins, Sammie Coates, Bryce Treggs, Seth Devalve and rookie David Njoku ... and told him to win against the Vikings defense.
He can't win with those guys. We can't win with those guys. The coaches can't win with those guys, and the front office had plenty of money to go out and get us some guys ... so that we can win some games, build some momentum, have some hope, give the rookies and second year players some confidence and a taste of winning ... and they didn't do it.
Zombo
--Second round picks are not gold ... winning is gold ... and winning begets Winning.
Then why has winning NEVER begotten winning in the last 20 years? We've had plenty of seasons like you're pining for since the team came back to absolutely no avail.
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Zombo said:
This all just shows how important winning is. Not capital W Winning, as in making the playoffs every year ... the ultimate goal, but winning as in grabbing a game here and there while you are rebuilding.
Already people are talking about losing out and rooting for the 49ers ... and I want to punch them.
We need to win football games.
The coaches are pissed that the FO leaves at 5 PM and is not getting them players while they work their asses off. The veteran players are becoming numb to the losing and there is no "edge" to pass on to the younger players. The young players feel like they got drafted by a joke and are already looking for a way to get out. Jimmy will "Have to do something" and either the FO or the coaching staff will get fired ... or both.
They made a grave mistake in the offseason in my opinion of not trading for someone like Garrapollo that could take the reigns and win us a few games. They made the mistake of keeping us too thin throughout the roster.
I GET totally dismantling the team last year and the resulting 1-15. But you HAVE to go at least 4-12 or 5-11 the next year so that EVERYONE (FO, Coaches, Players ... and even fans) stays on board with the process.
Football is different than the NBA and MLB. You can't tank. The Sixers tanked to get talent, the Astros tanked to get talent .. and results are happening. But in the NFL, these guys are giving up their bodies for you every Sunday. They are risking their careers to play, their livelihoods, their family's livelihood. If they feel you're not trying to win the lockerroom becomes poisoned, the young guys get poisoned and you are forever rebuilding. The coaching staff becomes embittered, the front office becomes isolated and everyone is making plans for their next move instead of giving all for the team.
Last week we sent a struggling rookie QB out there and told him to throw to Ricardo Luis, Rashard Higgins, Sammie Coates, Bryce Treggs, Seth Devalve and rookie David Njoku ... and told him to win against the Vikings defense.
He can't win with those guys. We can't win with those guys. The coaches can't win with those guys, and the front office had plenty of money to go out and get us some guys ... so that we can win some games, build some momentum, have some hope, give the rookies and second year players some confidence and a taste of winning ... and they didn't do it.
Zombo
--Second round picks are not gold ... winning is gold ... and winning begets Winning.
Then why has winning NEVER begotten winning in the last 20 years? We've had plenty of seasons like you're pining for since the team came back to absolutely no avail.
Then why has winning NEVER begotten winning in the last 20 years? We've had plenty of seasons like you're pining for since the team came back to absolutely no avail.
We have never stuck with a plan. I think only Butch Davis and Romeo Crennell got three years or more.
This is the first time we did a total reconstruction, and if we were even 2-6 with some semblance of a clue at QB, People wouldn't be talking about blowing it up already.
Z
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Then why has winning NEVER begotten winning in the last 20 years? We've had plenty of seasons like you're pining for since the team came back to absolutely no avail.
We have never stuck with a plan. I think only Butch Davis and Romeo Crennell got three years or more.
This is the first time we did a total reconstruction, and if we were even 2-6 with some semblance of a clue at QB, People wouldn't be talking about blowing it up already.
Z
Zombo said:
We have never stuck with a plan. I think only Butch Davis and Romeo Crennell got three years or more.
This is the first time we did a total reconstruction, and if we were even 2-6 with some semblance of a clue at QB, People wouldn't be talking about blowing it up already.
Z
Or even a couple of players that you could point to and say watch out for this guy, he's gonna be a star. Corey (I miss Braylon) Coleman just isn't cutting it around here.
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Then why has winning NEVER begotten winning in the last 20 years? We've had plenty of seasons like you're pining for since the team came back to absolutely no avail.
We have never stuck with a plan. I think only Butch Davis and Romeo Crennell got three years or more.
This is the first time we did a total reconstruction, and if we were even 2-6 with some semblance of a clue at QB, People wouldn't be talking about blowing it up already.
Z
Zombo said:
We have never stuck with a plan. I think only Butch Davis and Romeo Crennell got three years or more.
This is the first time we did a total reconstruction, and if we were even 2-6 with some semblance of a clue at QB, People wouldn't be talking about blowing it up already.
Z
Bingo. There should be a reasonable expectation of some extra wins. If the Browns ended the season with 3 wins, I would be happy. I didn't expect much. However, the Browns are set to go winless and the FO/head coach are a complete mess.
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So it is apparent that Hue is a Dead Coach Walking. Will he survive until the end of the season? Options are greater after other teams fire their coaches. Regular season finale is Dec 31 vs Pgh. Would be ironic if Hue had one win this year, against Pgh.
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Then why has winning NEVER begotten winning in the last 20 years? We've had plenty of seasons like you're pining for since the team came back to absolutely no avail.
We have never stuck with a plan. I think only Butch Davis and Romeo Crennell got three years or more.
This is the first time we did a total reconstruction, and if we were even 2-6 with some semblance of a clue at QB, People wouldn't be talking about blowing it up already.
Z
Zombo said:
We have never stuck with a plan. I think only Butch Davis and Romeo Crennell got three years or more.
This is the first time we did a total reconstruction, and if we were even 2-6 with some semblance of a clue at QB, People wouldn't be talking about blowing it up already.
Z
The mood around here in year 2 of Pettine was absolutely, positively, 100% NO different whatsoever than it is now. People wouldn’t be giving up already my arse.
Our fans have the shortest memory span of any people I’ve ever seen.
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Oddly enough I was in pettine's corner end of the 2015 season. I was however completely against Farmer being retained
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