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  • @wargograw said:

    You’re the one that can’t stop crying like a woman about out QBs. Guess you don’t think that has anything to do with it. 

    I'm not the one jerking off a project TE who is making 2 catches a game.  

    @mark-o said:

    I'm not the one jerking off a project TE who is making 2 catches a game.  

    You can’t win this debate. Just give up. I’m lead by facts and logic and you’re led by emotion (like a woman). Just give it up. You’ll never be able to defend it. 

  • @mark-o said:

    I'm not the one jerking off a project TE who is making 2 catches a game.  

    You can’t win this debate. Just give up. I’m lead by facts and logic and you’re led by emotion (like a woman). Just give it up. You’ll never be able to defend it. 

    @wargograw said:

    You can’t win this debate. Just give up. I’m lead by facts and logic and you’re led by emotion (like a woman). Just give it up. You’ll never be able to defend it. 

    you're led by facts?   I've given you the facts.. He's averaging 2 catches a game.     Here's another fact for you.  The team hasn't won a game.  But hey...lets keep trying the same thing over and over again.  

  • @wargograw said:

    You can’t win this debate. Just give up. I’m lead by facts and logic and you’re led by emotion (like a woman). Just give it up. You’ll never be able to defend it. 

    you're led by facts?   I've given you the facts.. He's averaging 2 catches a game.     Here's another fact for you.  The team hasn't won a game.  But hey...lets keep trying the same thing over and over again.  

    @mark-o said:

    you're led by facts?   I've given you the facts.. He's averaging 2 catches a game.     Here's another fact for you.  The team hasn't won a game.  But hey...lets keep trying the same thing over and over again.  

    You would blow a gasket trying to come up with a third though. And that’s why it’s worthless talking about this with you. 

    OJ Howard has 13 catches. Evan Engram has 30. And they both have quarterbacks. Njoku is fine for a rookie. But when your fans have no patience whatsoever and want to dump you overboard if you’re not Rob Gronkowski in year one, there’s not much you can do. 

  • @mark-o said:

    you're led by facts?   I've given you the facts.. He's averaging 2 catches a game.     Here's another fact for you.  The team hasn't won a game.  But hey...lets keep trying the same thing over and over again.  

    You would blow a gasket trying to come up with a third though. And that’s why it’s worthless talking about this with you. 

    OJ Howard has 13 catches. Evan Engram has 30. And they both have quarterbacks. Njoku is fine for a rookie. But when your fans have no patience whatsoever and want to dump you overboard if you’re not Rob Gronkowski in year one, there’s not much you can do. 

    @wargograw said:

    You would blow a gasket trying to come up with a third though. And that’s why it’s worthless talking about this with you. 

    OJ Howard has 13 catches. Evan Engram has 30. And they both have quarterbacks. Njoku is fine for a rookie. But when your fans have no patience whatsoever and want to dump you overboard if you’re not Rob Gronkowski in year one, there’s not much you can do. 

    1 and fucking 23.    Keep everything the same though.   We shouldn't need any new players though either in your world.  They all just need more time just like our front office needs 3 years to get it right. 

  • Yep. As predicted. He tried to come up with a third. He blew the gasket. Realized he’s a doofus then went back to the first two. Way to walk right into it. 

  • Yep. As predicted. He tried to come up with a third. He blew the gasket. Realized he’s a doofus then went back to the first two. Way to walk right into it. 

    @wargograw said:

    Yep. As predicted. He tried to come up with a third. He blew the gasket. Realized he’s a doofus then went back to the first two. Way to walk right into it. 

    My gaskets are just fine.  Why don't you point out all the great players we're supposed to be excited about that your precious front office has drafted for us in the last 2 years?   You want more examples, these guys drafted Corey Coleman, how's he working out as a first round pick?  Kessler, Kizer, Hogan???  But next year they'll figure out the QB who is good right?   Next years draft is when they'll start trying to actually win games, in the meantime, spend your money on tickets and supporting the team while we suck at historic levels.

  • And for a lighter note. Carson Wentz, NFC player of the month. Deshone Watson, AFC player of the month 

    Isaac Asimov couldn't make this stuff up.

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    And for a lighter note. Carson Wentz, NFC player of the month. Deshone Watson, AFC player of the month 

    Isaac Asimov couldn't make this stuff up.

    More like a Stephen King thing.

  • Njoku is 21 years old halfway through his first ever nfl season and he’s being written off already. I despair sometimes. 

  • Njoku is 21 years old halfway through his first ever nfl season and he’s being written off already. I despair sometimes. 

    @londonbrown said:

    Njoku is 21 years old halfway through his first ever nfl season and he’s being written off already. I despair sometimes. 

    He shouldn't be written off and he shouldn't be praised as a genius pick. He can't even be evaluated correctly this early.

  • @londonbrown said:

    Njoku is 21 years old halfway through his first ever nfl season and he’s being written off already. I despair sometimes. 

    He shouldn't be written off and he shouldn't be praised as a genius pick. He can't even be evaluated correctly this early.

    @stillmotion said:

    He can't even be evaluated correctly this early.

    Absolutely right. And the same goes for th entire FO

  • @stillmotion said:

    He can't even be evaluated correctly this early.

    Absolutely right. And the same goes for th entire FO

    @londonbrown said:

    Absolutely right. And the same goes for th entire FO

    The front office has had 2 drafts and has missed on high draft picks than it has hit on.  That's why I question giving them a 3rd draft.  They haven't proven that they are all that good at drafting to this point.  They seem to enjoy trading down more than they do actually picking players.  The injury today not withstanding, but when you have Deshaun Watson sitting there with the #12 pick in the draft and you're a team that has needed a QB for like 2 million years, you have to take that guy.  Trading down is ridiculous at that point.  

    @londonbrown said:

    Njoku is 21 years old halfway through his first ever nfl season and he’s being written off already. I despair sometimes. 

    I wasn't writing him off so much as saying that you can't say he's a good player at this point.  He's completely unproven and as a first round pick, 2 catches per game isn't all that impressive.

  • @londonbrown said:

    Absolutely right. And the same goes for th entire FO

    The front office has had 2 drafts and has missed on high draft picks than it has hit on.  That's why I question giving them a 3rd draft.  They haven't proven that they are all that good at drafting to this point.  They seem to enjoy trading down more than they do actually picking players.  The injury today not withstanding, but when you have Deshaun Watson sitting there with the #12 pick in the draft and you're a team that has needed a QB for like 2 million years, you have to take that guy.  Trading down is ridiculous at that point.  

    @londonbrown said:

    Njoku is 21 years old halfway through his first ever nfl season and he’s being written off already. I despair sometimes. 

    I wasn't writing him off so much as saying that you can't say he's a good player at this point.  He's completely unproven and as a first round pick, 2 catches per game isn't all that impressive.

    @mark-o said:

    The front office has had 2 drafts and has missed on high draft picks than it has hit on.  That's why I question giving them a 3rd draft.  They haven't proven that they are all that good at drafting to this point.  They seem to enjoy trading down more than they do actually picking players.  The injury today not withstanding, but when you have Deshaun Watson sitting there with the #12 pick in the draft and you're a team that has needed a QB for like 2 million years, you have to take that guy.  Trading down is ridiculous at that point.  

    As someone said, they enjoy playing Monopoly with these picks, players.  They just prefer dealing than choosing.

    I wasn't writing him off so much as saying that you can't say he's a good player at this point.  He's completely unproven and as a first round pick, 2 catches per game isn't all that impressive.

  • Same old rehashed comments over and over.  Booooooring

    yeah we get it... we arent good.  Move on.... nothing to see here.

  • Same old rehashed comments over and over.  Booooooring

    yeah we get it... we arent good.  Move on.... nothing to see here.

    @kvoethe said:

    Same old rehashed comments over and over.  Booooooring

    yeah we get it... we arent good.  Move on.... nothing to see here.

    I was going to start a thread that would say:   We Suck, I'm Mad.....and state that like nearly all of the last 100 threads on this board were basically the same as what can be boiled down to 4 words..and that all the foofaraw that has gone on has added no more insight than that.

  • I seem to forget everybody clamoring over Deshaun Watson in April, saying how he's our future. 

    Hell if it was that obvious, we shouldve taken him #1.

    Show me all those posts about Watson being a lock, franchise QB at 12... Ill wait...

  • I seem to forget everybody clamoring over Deshaun Watson in April, saying how he's our future. 

    Hell if it was that obvious, we shouldve taken him #1.

    Show me all those posts about Watson being a lock, franchise QB at 12... Ill wait...

    @thenew23 said:

    I seem to forget everybody clamoring over Deshaun Watson in April, saying how he's our future. 

    Hell if it was that obvious, we shouldve taken him #1.

    Show me all those posts about Watson being a lock, franchise QB at 12... Ill wait...

    Oh wait... here comes all the "I don't get paid to do this" idiocy...

  • Haven't we been rebuilding for like 10 years. Lol

    @the-user-from-cleveland said:

    Haven't we been rebuilding for like 10 years. Lol

    This is the ultimate fallacy.  The "old heads" around here keep thinking the mistakes of past regimes somehow should reflect on our current FO.  That is a major error in thinking, driven by emotions rather than logic.

    This rebuild has been less than 2 years in the making.

    Ill agree with everybody that losing sucks, and 1-23 is embarrassing, but we eventually have to give somebody a chance.  TBH I think Hue has a lot more to do with the record than Sashi and DePodesta. Look at what Bowles is doing with similar talent...  It might be time for a new HC and OC but not a major teardown.

  • @the-user-from-cleveland said:

    Haven't we been rebuilding for like 10 years. Lol

    This is the ultimate fallacy.  The "old heads" around here keep thinking the mistakes of past regimes somehow should reflect on our current FO.  That is a major error in thinking, driven by emotions rather than logic.

    This rebuild has been less than 2 years in the making.

    Ill agree with everybody that losing sucks, and 1-23 is embarrassing, but we eventually have to give somebody a chance.  TBH I think Hue has a lot more to do with the record than Sashi and DePodesta. Look at what Bowles is doing with similar talent...  It might be time for a new HC and OC but not a major teardown.

    @thenew23 said:

    This is the ultimate fallacy.  The "old heads" around here keep thinking the mistakes of past regimes somehow should reflect on our current FO.  That is a major error in thinking, driven by emotions rather than logic.

    This rebuild has been less than 2 years in the making.

    Ill agree with everybody that losing sucks, and 1-23 is embarrassing, but we eventually have to give somebody a chance.  TBH I think Hue has a lot more to do with the record than Sashi and DePodesta. Look at what Bowles is doing with similar talent...  It might be time for a new HC and OC but not a major teardown.

    I think maybe more things were promised to Hue, and he's sick of losing. He obviously wanted to be successful, and every week and the podium for two years he has to get up there and be a loser. The F.O. values their minds and decisions over Hue's, and maybe they will end up being right, but having the F.O. and Hue report independently to Jimmy is definitely causing friction.

  • We need a good OC.  Nothing more... nothing less.  

    He can come up with a gameplan that will cater to our talent and we can win some games