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  • NO NO NO NO....you  DONT get it.

    The very nature of building a team in baseball and the nfl is different in just about every way.  it's apples and oranges.  Applying the 'moneyball' principles in baseball and the nfl look

    totally different.

    @tacosman said:

    NO NO NO NO....you  DONT get it.

    The very nature of building a team in baseball and the nfl is different in just about every way.  it's apples and oranges.  Applying the 'moneyball' principles in baseball and the nfl look

    totally different.

    Unless you can explain the exact reasons its different, you're just talking out of your butt.

  • @wargograw said:

    Don’t forget SI had a “meet your 2017 World Series champs” issue in 2014. They could do that for us with 2020 but none of you have the patience to see it through that far. 

    So instead, we can just pat ourselves on the back because we win 4 games/year. Sweet!

    And who did they say would be the 2017 WS champs back there in 2014?

    @the-gipper said:

    And who did they say would be the 2017 WS champs back there in 2014?

    Houston....

    @mark-o said:

    How am I not right?  The team is 0-8.   That's not an improvement over last years 0-8 at the same point. 

    So because they’re 0-8 now they won’t do anything in 2020? You really think that’s a logical case?

  • @the-gipper said:

    And who did they say would be the 2017 WS champs back there in 2014?

    Houston....

    @mark-o said:

    How am I not right?  The team is 0-8.   That's not an improvement over last years 0-8 at the same point. 

    So because they’re 0-8 now they won’t do anything in 2020? You really think that’s a logical case?

    @wargograw said:

    So because they’re 0-8 now they won’t do anything in 2020? You really think that’s a logical case?

    At the present rate of improvement??  No they won't.   1-15 last season has "improved" to 0-8 this season.   But according to you, we're supposed to be patient and trust the guys in the front office who keep missing on star players.  Got it.   So we should be patient and let Kizer keep playing.  Don't draft a QB next year.  He needs at least 3 years to prove that he is an inaccurate passer. 

  • @wargograw said:

    So because they’re 0-8 now they won’t do anything in 2020? You really think that’s a logical case?

    At the present rate of improvement??  No they won't.   1-15 last season has "improved" to 0-8 this season.   But according to you, we're supposed to be patient and trust the guys in the front office who keep missing on star players.  Got it.   So we should be patient and let Kizer keep playing.  Don't draft a QB next year.  He needs at least 3 years to prove that he is an inaccurate passer. 

    @mark-o said:

    At the present rate of improvement??  No they won't.   1-15 last season has "improved" to 0-8 this season.   But according to you, we're supposed to be patient and trust the guys in the front office who keep missing on star players.  Got it.   So we should be patient and let Kizer keep playing.  Don't draft a QB next year.  He needs at least 3 years to prove that he is an inaccurate passer. 

    You have no eye or mind for analysis whatsoever. Worthless discussion. 

  • @mark-o said:

    At the present rate of improvement??  No they won't.   1-15 last season has "improved" to 0-8 this season.   But according to you, we're supposed to be patient and trust the guys in the front office who keep missing on star players.  Got it.   So we should be patient and let Kizer keep playing.  Don't draft a QB next year.  He needs at least 3 years to prove that he is an inaccurate passer. 

    You have no eye or mind for analysis whatsoever. Worthless discussion. 

    @wargograw said:

    You have no eye or mind for analysis whatsoever. Worthless discussion. 

    0-8 is the only analysis that matters.   The team hasn't won a game yet this year.   Something has to be changed.

  • @wargograw said:

    You have no eye or mind for analysis whatsoever. Worthless discussion. 

    0-8 is the only analysis that matters.   The team hasn't won a game yet this year.   Something has to be changed.

    @mark-o said:

    0-8 is the only analysis that matters.   The team hasn't won a game yet this year.   Something has to be changed.

    Thanks for confirming. 

  • @mark-o said:

    0-8 is the only analysis that matters.   The team hasn't won a game yet this year.   Something has to be changed.

    Thanks for confirming. 

    @wargograw said:

    Thanks for confirming. 

    Confirming what?  That you're ok with a team that doesn't win?  That we should be happy because we have some nice gay stats that make some feel like the team is better when in the ONLY thing that matters in wins and losses is the team is 0-8

  • That you have no eye or mind for analysis whatsoever and this is a worthless discussion. 

  • @wargograw said:

    Thanks for confirming. 

    Confirming what?  That you're ok with a team that doesn't win?  That we should be happy because we have some nice gay stats that make some feel like the team is better when in the ONLY thing that matters in wins and losses is the team is 0-8

    @mark-o said:

    Confirming what?  That you're ok with a team that doesn't win?  That we should be happy because we have some nice gay stats that make some feel like the team is better when in the ONLY thing that matters in wins and losses is the team is 0-8

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  • @wargograw said:

    You have no eye or mind for analysis whatsoever. Worthless discussion. 

    0-8 is the only analysis that matters.   The team hasn't won a game yet this year.   Something has to be changed.

    @mark-o said:

    0-8 is the only analysis that matters.   

    The Houston Astros completely disagree with you. 

  • @wargograw said:

    So instead, we can just pat ourselves on the back because we win 4 games/year. Sweet!

    4 games a year? When will be that good again?

    @canton-dawg said:

    4 games a year? When will be that good again?

    At the pace the current regime is going, it would take six full seasons to win four games. 😆

  • Like comparing apples and onions.

  • @the-gipper said:

    And who did they say would be the 2017 WS champs back there in 2014?

    Houston....

    @mark-o said:

    How am I not right?  The team is 0-8.   That's not an improvement over last years 0-8 at the same point. 

    So because they’re 0-8 now they won’t do anything in 2020? You really think that’s a logical case?

    @wargograw said:

    Houston....

    So because they’re 0-8 now they won’t do anything in 2020? You really think that’s a logical case?

    Austin, the fag capital of Tx.

  • @canton-dawg said:

    4 games a year? When will be that good again?

    At the pace the current regime is going, it would take six full seasons to win four games. 😆

    @dutch-oven said:

    At the pace the current regime is going, it would take six full seasons to win four games. 😆

    Just think, I used to Bitch about only winning 4 games a year. ?

  • I held my tongue through the Indians 35 year process. Not again

  • @wargograw said:

    Houston....

    So because they’re 0-8 now they won’t do anything in 2020? You really think that’s a logical case?

    Austin, the fag capital of Tx.

    Speaking of incompetent people in positions they have no business being in...

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Austin, the fag capital of Tx.

    It's the Parma of Texas?

  • @mark-o said:

    0-8 is the only analysis that matters.   

    The Houston Astros completely disagree with you. 

    @londonbrown said:

    The Houston Astros completely disagree with you. 

    I'm sure they do.    The process worked for them.  That's great in baseball.  Worked for the Cubs last year as well but in case you havent' figured out....that's a different sport.   The guys you're trusting to pick the players and make this process work,  haven't shown a lot of success in picking players to this point but we're supposed to just blindly trust them no matter what?   Bring everyone back....coaches, front office...everyone.  No changes...even if they go 0-16 or 1-15?  Really?  Nothing should change at all?  An unprecedented level of suckage for an organization and that doesn't warrant any changes at all? 

  • @londonbrown said:

    The Houston Astros completely disagree with you. 

    I'm sure they do.    The process worked for them.  That's great in baseball.  Worked for the Cubs last year as well but in case you havent' figured out....that's a different sport.   The guys you're trusting to pick the players and make this process work,  haven't shown a lot of success in picking players to this point but we're supposed to just blindly trust them no matter what?   Bring everyone back....coaches, front office...everyone.  No changes...even if they go 0-16 or 1-15?  Really?  Nothing should change at all?  An unprecedented level of suckage for an organization and that doesn't warrant any changes at all? 

    @mark-o said:

    The guys you're trusting to pick the players and make this process work,  haven't shown a lot of success in picking players to this point but we're supposed to just blindly trust them no matter what?

    No I am saying they cant be judged yet becuase it's been 1.5 years, there is a big difference. Mark do you really think it's practical to judge the 2017 draft picks already, after eight games? That is just crazy surely

  • @mark-o said:

    The guys you're trusting to pick the players and make this process work,  haven't shown a lot of success in picking players to this point but we're supposed to just blindly trust them no matter what?

    No I am saying they cant be judged yet becuase it's been 1.5 years, there is a big difference. Mark do you really think it's practical to judge the 2017 draft picks already, after eight games? That is just crazy surely

    @londonbrown said:

    No I am saying they cant be judged yet becuase it's been 1.5 years, there is a big difference. Mark do you really think it's practical to judge the 2017 draft picks already, after eight games? That is just crazy surely

    I think 8 games can give you a pretty good indication of what you have.   We are pretty sure that Kizer ain't the guy.   Njoku is fine...hardly first round talent to this point (kizer is partially to blame here as well), Peppers either isn't that good or is being used horribly by St. Greg Williams since I haven't seen him do anything other than be a return man.

    Last years picks...Coleman?  Certainly seems like a bust.    They are missing more than they are hitting and they seem to be more interested in just passing off picking until the future rather than taking talented players.  I'm not one who would say they should've taken Wentz (that's easy to do now), I thought there were serious questions about him and his level of competition in college.   I have a hard time with a team that is likely to be 2-30 over a 2 year period (or worse) and saying we shouldn't change anything.  That's a record level of suckage.  Something needs to change.  Whether its a new head coach...or just a new guy who is in charge of the draft room, but something has to be done.

  • @londonbrown said:

    No I am saying they cant be judged yet becuase it's been 1.5 years, there is a big difference. Mark do you really think it's practical to judge the 2017 draft picks already, after eight games? That is just crazy surely

    I think 8 games can give you a pretty good indication of what you have.   We are pretty sure that Kizer ain't the guy.   Njoku is fine...hardly first round talent to this point (kizer is partially to blame here as well), Peppers either isn't that good or is being used horribly by St. Greg Williams since I haven't seen him do anything other than be a return man.

    Last years picks...Coleman?  Certainly seems like a bust.    They are missing more than they are hitting and they seem to be more interested in just passing off picking until the future rather than taking talented players.  I'm not one who would say they should've taken Wentz (that's easy to do now), I thought there were serious questions about him and his level of competition in college.   I have a hard time with a team that is likely to be 2-30 over a 2 year period (or worse) and saying we shouldn't change anything.  That's a record level of suckage.  Something needs to change.  Whether its a new head coach...or just a new guy who is in charge of the draft room, but something has to be done.

    @mark-o said:

    I think 8 games can give you a pretty good indication of what you have.   We are pretty sure that Kizer ain't the guy.   Njoku is fine...hardly first round talent to this point (kizer is partially to blame here as well), Peppers either isn't that good or is being used horribly by St. Greg Williams since I haven't seen him do anything other than be a return man.

    Last years picks...Coleman?  Certainly seems like a bust.    They are missing more than they are hitting and they seem to be more interested in just passing off picking until the future rather than taking talented players.  I'm not one who would say they should've taken Wentz (that's easy to do now), I thought there were serious questions about him and his level of competition in college.   I have a hard time with a team that is likely to be 2-30 over a 2 year period (or worse) and saying we shouldn't change anything.  That's a record level of suckage.  Something needs to change.  Whether its a new head coach...or just a new guy who is in charge of the draft room, but something has to be done.

    I hear you Mark. I think Hue should go as he picked RG3, Kizer and nearly AJ McCarron and it's the offense that's crippling this team. He refuses to get help calling offensice plays. That's his baby and he should pay the price more than anyone.....IMO