Wentz Goff and Mariotta
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DOH!!
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the wentz trade is really astounding. in a bad way.
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Browns Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta, who never worked in football prior to being hired as Cleveland’s front office #2, justified passing on Wentz because they were convinced he would never be even a top 20 quarterback:
I think the hardest part, and where we have to stay the most disciplined, as much as you want a player, you can't invent him if he doesn't exist. In a given year, there may be two or three NFL-ready quarterbacks at the college level. In another year, there literally may be zero. There just may be not be anybody in that year who's good enough to be a top 20 quarterback in the NFL.
Even though you have a desperate need for one, you have to resist the temptation of taking that guy just because you have a need if you don't believe he's one of those 20 guys at the end of the day. I think that's the hardest part, just maintaining your discipline because you have the need. That's what we did this year.
also, sashi added :
High-value draft picks in the first couple rounds are tremendously valuable. We have a long way to go to get our roster where it needs to be. We understand that and so this is a great opportunity to add a player and add another player next year that we hope, again, will be another impact player for us. So it's really for us a two-for-one and where we're coming from on our roster that's valuable.
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Basically the Browns didn't want to invest in a quarterback that won't work. They didn't want to reach for someone. They'd rather build the team and THEN get a quarterback.
They're doing it different from the standard way, and it might really be effective, or it could fail too, we won't find out till the "plan" is finished.
Every front office fails, but if Sashi and Depo fail to draft or get any reasonable quarterback next year, I think it's fair to say Jimmy will go crazy.
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the eagles sure did reach for wentz at 2....
There's a difference..... our front office didn't think he was going to be good. They missed on a prospect. It happens and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at missing once. Trading down and not taking Watson or Hooker did make me mad.... (and please don't try to argue that they're injured now because they suck. they are good prospects). If we trade down next year, I can't justify what we're doing anymore. Honestly I'd be cool if we at least take a quarterback by our second pick in the first round. Barkley and Baker Mayfield is what I want now.
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the eagles sure did reach for wentz at 2....
There's a difference..... our front office didn't think he was going to be good. They missed on a prospect. It happens and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at missing once. Trading down and not taking Watson or Hooker did make me mad.... (and please don't try to argue that they're injured now because they suck. they are good prospects). If we trade down next year, I can't justify what we're doing anymore. Honestly I'd be cool if we at least take a quarterback by our second pick in the first round. Barkley and Baker Mayfield is what I want now.
There's a difference..... our front office didn't think he was going to be good. They missed on a prospect. It happens and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at missing once. Trading down and not taking Watson or Hooker did make me mad.... (and please don't try to argue that they're injured now because they suck. they are good prospects). If we trade down next year, I can't justify what we're doing anymore. Honestly I'd be cool if we at least take a quarterback by our second pick in the first round. Barkley and Baker Mayfield is what I want now.
Its a huge miss by the FO to not see the talent he had, but misses like that happen all the time. I am with you. Trading down at 12 when you need a QB and you have a really really good QB prospect sitting there, trading down is a bad move.
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the eagles sure did reach for wentz at 2....
There's a difference..... our front office didn't think he was going to be good. They missed on a prospect. It happens and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at missing once. Trading down and not taking Watson or Hooker did make me mad.... (and please don't try to argue that they're injured now because they suck. they are good prospects). If we trade down next year, I can't justify what we're doing anymore. Honestly I'd be cool if we at least take a quarterback by our second pick in the first round. Barkley and Baker Mayfield is what I want now.
There's a difference..... our front office didn't think he was going to be good. They missed on a prospect. It happens and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at missing once.
but that was a sentinel event miss. Its really a bad call more than anything. Because you can play the 'miss' game on any number of good players and any number of teams, but this was one of those rare cases where it was really an up or down on a specific player at a specific spot
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There's a difference..... our front office didn't think he was going to be good. They missed on a prospect. It happens and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at missing once. Trading down and not taking Watson or Hooker did make me mad.... (and please don't try to argue that they're injured now because they suck. they are good prospects). If we trade down next year, I can't justify what we're doing anymore. Honestly I'd be cool if we at least take a quarterback by our second pick in the first round. Barkley and Baker Mayfield is what I want now.
Its a huge miss by the FO to not see the talent he had, but misses like that happen all the time. I am with you. Trading down at 12 when you need a QB and you have a really really good QB prospect sitting there, trading down is a bad move.
Its a huge miss by the FO to not see the talent he had, but misses like that happen all the time. I am with you. Trading down at 12 when you need a QB and you have a really really good QB prospect sitting there, trading down is a bad move.
And it makes us look Kinda stupid. I have no problem with the Kizer or Kessler picks, but what the heck with the reassurance about them? What is with all the reassurance. Makes us look SO STUPID, like fools for listening to them. Depo's "Wentz isn't a top 20 QB", Hue's "trust me with kessler, he will be great". Hue's "RG3 made the earth shake". All of the Kizer hype. Just calm the heck down, have a bridge quarterback like the Jets are doing with Mccown, and most teams do and let the rookie learn if he isn't ready yet (cough Kizer cough). If Kizer is really their plan but Hue is afraid he'll be fired so benches him at half time, then thats a TOXIC environment to play in. Play the rookie out and let him learn, or figure out something different.
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Remember when we played clipboard jesus last year? I didn't think our QB situation could EVER get lower than that. Hopefully i'm not wrong.
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our qb situation now is no different than then
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it's official. the browns are one loss worse better than SB champs (of past) NY giants.
but our defense is setting stats!!
goff? scmoff!
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Basically the Browns didn't want to invest in a quarterback that won't work. They didn't want to reach for someone. They'd rather build the team and THEN get a quarterback.
They're doing it different from the standard way, and it might really be effective, or it could fail too, we won't find out till the "plan" is finished.
Every front office fails, but if Sashi and Depo fail to draft or get any reasonable quarterback next year, I think it's fair to say Jimmy will go crazy.
Basically the Browns didn't want to invest in a quarterback that won't work. They didn't want to reach for someone. They'd rather build the team and THEN get a quarterback.
They're doing it different from the standard way, and it might really be effective, or it could fail too, we won't find out till the "plan" is finished.
Every front office fails, but if Sashi and Depo fail to draft or get any reasonable quarterback next year, I think it's fair to say Jimmy will go crazy.
Hopefully the “plan” is finished this off season. Trying to build a team and THEN get the Qb isn’t how it’s done. Teams get good WHEN they have a good Qb. Why does this team always think they can reinvent the wheel?
PLEASE HIRE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO BUILD AN NFL TEAM!!!!
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it's official. the browns are one loss worse better than SB champs (of past) NY giants.
but our defense is setting stats!!
goff? scmoff!
it's official. the browns are one loss worse better than SB champs (of past) NY giants.
but our defense is setting stats!!
goff? scmoff!
Remember, during The Process the organization doesn't care about wins, just gathering more and higher draft picks..... makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy, don't it?
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it's official. the browns are one loss worse better than SB champs (of past) NY giants.
but our defense is setting stats!!
goff? scmoff!
Remember, during The Process the organization doesn't care about wins, just gathering more and higher draft picks..... makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy, don't it?
Remember, the organization during The Process doesn't care about wins, just gathering more and higher draft picks..... makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy, don't it?
If that’s the process, then they get an A+.
Too bad that process brings you the worst team in the league for 2 years and SHOULD get them all fired
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I wonder how he'd perform on this team. Or how Kizer would perform there.
I'm all for building the team then getting the QB
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I wonder how he'd perform on this team. Or how Kizer would perform there.
I'm all for building the team then getting the QB
I wonder how he'd perform on this team. Or how Kizer would perform there.
I'm all for building the team then getting the QB
they dont have a great team bunch of skill players, especially with ertz out as he was today...look at who he threw td passes today to for christ sakes.
But in terms of how he would perform here, Id say he would perform a heck of a lot better than our crappy qbs now.
How would kizer perform there? He wouldnt play there because he sucks too bad...
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I wonder how he'd perform on this team. Or how Kizer would perform there.
I'm all for building the team then getting the QB
they dont have a great team bunch of skill players, especially with ertz out as he was today...look at who he threw td passes today to for christ sakes.
But in terms of how he would perform here, Id say he would perform a heck of a lot better than our crappy qbs now.
How would kizer perform there? He wouldnt play there because he sucks too bad...
they dont have a great team bunch of skill players, especially with ertz out as he was today...look at who he threw td passes today to for christ sakes.
But in terms of how he would perform here, Id say he would perform a heck of a lot better than our crappy qbs now.
How would kizer perform there? He wouldnt play there because he sucks too bad...
Kizer would be on the bench learning because he isn't ready, and a veteran QB would be playing. Heck even Case Keenum is proving he's light years better than anyone on our roster.
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