Wentz Goff and Mariotta
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it's official. the browns are one loss worse better than SB champs (of past) NY giants.
but our defense is setting stats!!
goff? scmoff!
it's official. the browns are one loss worse better than SB champs (of past) NY giants.
but our defense is setting stats!!
goff? scmoff!
Remember, during The Process the organization doesn't care about wins, just gathering more and higher draft picks..... makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy, don't it?
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it's official. the browns are one loss worse better than SB champs (of past) NY giants.
but our defense is setting stats!!
goff? scmoff!
Remember, during The Process the organization doesn't care about wins, just gathering more and higher draft picks..... makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy, don't it?
Remember, the organization during The Process doesn't care about wins, just gathering more and higher draft picks..... makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy, don't it?
If that’s the process, then they get an A+.
Too bad that process brings you the worst team in the league for 2 years and SHOULD get them all fired
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I wonder how he'd perform on this team. Or how Kizer would perform there.
I'm all for building the team then getting the QB
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I wonder how he'd perform on this team. Or how Kizer would perform there.
I'm all for building the team then getting the QB
I wonder how he'd perform on this team. Or how Kizer would perform there.
I'm all for building the team then getting the QB
they dont have a great team bunch of skill players, especially with ertz out as he was today...look at who he threw td passes today to for christ sakes.
But in terms of how he would perform here, Id say he would perform a heck of a lot better than our crappy qbs now.
How would kizer perform there? He wouldnt play there because he sucks too bad...
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I wonder how he'd perform on this team. Or how Kizer would perform there.
I'm all for building the team then getting the QB
they dont have a great team bunch of skill players, especially with ertz out as he was today...look at who he threw td passes today to for christ sakes.
But in terms of how he would perform here, Id say he would perform a heck of a lot better than our crappy qbs now.
How would kizer perform there? He wouldnt play there because he sucks too bad...
they dont have a great team bunch of skill players, especially with ertz out as he was today...look at who he threw td passes today to for christ sakes.
But in terms of how he would perform here, Id say he would perform a heck of a lot better than our crappy qbs now.
How would kizer perform there? He wouldnt play there because he sucks too bad...
Kizer would be on the bench learning because he isn't ready, and a veteran QB would be playing. Heck even Case Keenum is proving he's light years better than anyone on our roster.
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it's official. the browns are one loss worse better than SB champs (of past) NY giants.
but our defense is setting stats!!
goff? scmoff!
Remember, during The Process the organization doesn't care about wins, just gathering more and higher draft picks..... makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy, don't it?
Remember, during The Process the organization doesn't care about wins, just gathering more and higher draft picks..... makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy, don't it?
Dilly-Dilly!
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Its a huge miss by the FO to not see the talent he had, but misses like that happen all the time. I am with you. Trading down at 12 when you need a QB and you have a really really good QB prospect sitting there, trading down is a bad move.
And it makes us look Kinda stupid. I have no problem with the Kizer or Kessler picks, but what the heck with the reassurance about them? What is with all the reassurance. Makes us look SO STUPID, like fools for listening to them. Depo's "Wentz isn't a top 20 QB", Hue's "trust me with kessler, he will be great". Hue's "RG3 made the earth shake". All of the Kizer hype. Just calm the heck down, have a bridge quarterback like the Jets are doing with Mccown, and most teams do and let the rookie learn if he isn't ready yet (cough Kizer cough). If Kizer is really their plan but Hue is afraid he'll be fired so benches him at half time, then thats a TOXIC environment to play in. Play the rookie out and let him learn, or figure out something different.
And it makes us look Kinda stupid. I have no problem with the Kizer or Kessler picks, but what the heck with the reassurance about them? What is with all the reassurance. Makes us look SO STUPID, like fools for listening to them. Depo's "Wentz isn't a top 20 QB", Hue's "trust me with kessler, he will be great". Hue's "RG3 made the earth shake". All of the Kizer hype. Just calm the heck down, have a bridge quarterback like the Jets are doing with Mccown, and most teams do and let the rookie learn if he isn't ready yet (cough Kizer cough). If Kizer is really their plan but Hue is afraid he'll be fired so benches him at half time, then thats a TOXIC environment to play in. Play the rookie out and let him learn, or figure out something different.
LOL, how more toxic could it get for the Kizer when its public knowledge the Browns were trying to land McCarron? What's Hue gonna tell him now?
Hopefully the “plan” is finished this off season. Trying to build a team and THEN get the Qb isn’t how it’s done. Teams get good WHEN they have a good Qb. Why does this team always think they can reinvent the wheel?
PLEASE HIRE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO BUILD AN NFL TEAM!!!!
Regarding a talent evaluator, yes. The Steelers had a decent team when they drafted Rothlisberger. Ditto the Texans with Watson. So build the team first can work, but you have to be mighty lucky to have a franchise guy drop in your lap if you're not drafting in the top 5.
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Texans didn’t look to good without Watson today
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
And it makes us look Kinda stupid. I have no problem with the Kizer or Kessler picks, but what the heck with the reassurance about them? What is with all the reassurance. Makes us look SO STUPID, like fools for listening to them. Depo's "Wentz isn't a top 20 QB", Hue's "trust me with kessler, he will be great". Hue's "RG3 made the earth shake". All of the Kizer hype. Just calm the heck down, have a bridge quarterback like the Jets are doing with Mccown, and most teams do and let the rookie learn if he isn't ready yet (cough Kizer cough). If Kizer is really their plan but Hue is afraid he'll be fired so benches him at half time, then thats a TOXIC environment to play in. Play the rookie out and let him learn, or figure out something different.
LOL, how more toxic could it get for the Kizer when its public knowledge the Browns were trying to land McCarron? What's Hue gonna tell him now?
Hopefully the “plan” is finished this off season. Trying to build a team and THEN get the Qb isn’t how it’s done. Teams get good WHEN they have a good Qb. Why does this team always think they can reinvent the wheel?
PLEASE HIRE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO BUILD AN NFL TEAM!!!!
Regarding a talent evaluator, yes. The Steelers had a decent team when they drafted Rothlisberger. Ditto the Texans with Watson. So build the team first can work, but you have to be mighty lucky to have a franchise guy drop in your lap if you're not drafting in the top 5.
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I wonder how he'd perform on this team. Or how Kizer would perform there.
I'm all for building the team then getting the QB
they dont have a great team bunch of skill players, especially with ertz out as he was today...look at who he threw td passes today to for christ sakes.
But in terms of how he would perform here, Id say he would perform a heck of a lot better than our crappy qbs now.
How would kizer perform there? He wouldnt play there because he sucks too bad...
they dont have a great team bunch of skill players, especially with ertz out as he was today...look at who he threw td passes today to for christ sakes.
But in terms of how he would perform here, Id say he would perform a heck of a lot better than our crappy qbs now.
How would kizer perform there? He wouldnt play there because he sucks too bad...
Our WRs are practice squad guys...
I think the Eagles beat that
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Texans didn’t look to good without Watson today
That Texans pick could conceivably fall into the top 10. Their defense is banged up and they are going to struggle to outscore people.
Which means the Browns could end up with four picks in the top 40-45.
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they dont have a great team bunch of skill players, especially with ertz out as he was today...look at who he threw td passes today to for christ sakes.
But in terms of how he would perform here, Id say he would perform a heck of a lot better than our crappy qbs now.
How would kizer perform there? He wouldnt play there because he sucks too bad...
Our WRs are practice squad guys...
I think the Eagles beat that
Our WRs are practice squad guys...
I think the Eagles beat that
all the more important to have a good player at qb then....
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Wentz would have been second coming of Charlie Frye on this team. No line. No one to throw to. He would have started from first game - big mistake - and would have had a couple concussions and broken collar bone by now.
Goff couldn't even take a snap from center... can only imagine how that would have gone down in this town...
We also passed on Joey Bosa with same pick,
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Wentz would have been second coming of Charlie Frye on this team. No line. No one to throw to. He would have started from first game - big mistake - and would have had a couple concussions and broken collar bone by now.
Goff couldn't even take a snap from center... can only imagine how that would have gone down in this town...
We also passed on Joey Bosa with same pick,
Wentz would have been second coming of Charlie Frye on this team. No line. No one to throw to. He would have started from first game - big mistake - and would have had a couple concussions and broken collar bone by now.
Goff couldn't even take a snap from center... can only imagine how that would have gone down in this town...
We also passed on Joey Bosa with same pick,
ask 80% od fans on this board that stated our OL is fine (HA!!!!) (like it was when tim couch got creamed every sunday) but we don't need OL help (HA!!!). our D is playing so good (look at the #s they say) that we won't have to draft anyone on that side of the ball next year so let's just spend all our draft picks or RBs, TEs, WRs and QBS.
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Our WRs are practice squad guys...
I think the Eagles beat that
all the more important to have a good player at qb then....
all the more important to have a good player at qb then....
Except that he would suck if he were here. That’s the point. Don’t deflect. The surrounding cast is far, far better in Philly. And in LA. And in Tennessee. People need to shut up about these guys already.
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Except that he would suck if he were here. That’s the point. Don’t deflect. The surrounding cast is far, far better in Philly. And in LA. And in Tennessee. People need to shut up about these guys already.
you don't get it- he's a much much better player than the guys we have. So while he may not have 23 tds or whatever it is, he'd still be playing much better. Because thats what better players do. This continued bs about how we shouldnt get elite players because they may not be as good here because our other players suck is the most insane thing I've ever read. Carson Wentz is a very good qb right now. Period. Our team needs very good players. period.
And Philadephia's skill players, especially at wide reciever, are mostly a so-so ensemble class. Their offensive line, especially before peters went down, was pretty solid. But you know who else's offensive line(before JT went down) was supposedly pretty solid too and cost a damn fortune? Yes, the cleveland browns.....
If you think philly is loaded on offense outside of qb, you havent looked. They arent.
finally, we *ARE* going to likely take a qb high in the draft this year, which kind of goes against your point. Because the talent level on offense certainly isn't any better than it was 2 years ago(its probably even worse), so if we couldn't pull the trigger then because of concerns about supporting talent around a high draft pick why would we pull the trigger now(which we will)?
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Browns Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta, who never worked in football prior to being hired as Cleveland’s front office #2, justified passing on Wentz because they were convinced he would never be even a top 20 quarterback:
I think the hardest part, and where we have to stay the most disciplined, as much as you want a player, you can't invent him if he doesn't exist. In a given year, there may be two or three NFL-ready quarterbacks at the college level. In another year, there literally may be zero. There just may be not be anybody in that year who's good enough to be a top 20 quarterback in the NFL.
Even though you have a desperate need for one, you have to resist the temptation of taking that guy just because you have a need if you don't believe he's one of those 20 guys at the end of the day. I think that's the hardest part, just maintaining your discipline because you have the need. That's what we did this year.
also, sashi added :
High-value draft picks in the first couple rounds are tremendously valuable. We have a long way to go to get our roster where it needs to be. We understand that and so this is a great opportunity to add a player and add another player next year that we hope, again, will be another impact player for us. So it's really for us a two-for-one and where we're coming from on our roster that's valuable.
Browns Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta, who never worked in football prior to being hired as Cleveland’s front office #2, justified passing on Wentz because they were convinced he would never be even a top 20 quarterback:
I think the hardest part, and where we have to stay the most disciplined, as much as you want a player, you can't invent him if he doesn't exist. In a given year, there may be two or three NFL-ready quarterbacks at the college level. In another year, there literally may be zero. There just may be not be anybody in that year who's good enough to be a top 20 quarterback in the NFL.
Even though you have a desperate need for one, you have to resist the temptation of taking that guy just because you have a need if you don't believe he's one of those 20 guys at the end of the day. I think that's the hardest part, just maintaining your discipline because you have the need. That's what we did this year.
also, sashi added :
High-value draft picks in the first couple rounds are tremendously valuable. We have a long way to go to get our roster where it needs to be. We understand that and so this is a great opportunity to add a player and add another player next year that we hope, again, will be another impact player for us. So it's really for us a two-for-one and where we're coming from on our roster that's valuable.
But.....here we go....these guys are trying to do talent evaluation by Math. They are not talent evaluators...yet they think their numbers can do that for them.
What I did not hear from these guys is what at least Carmen Policy said. Policy said "I am not a football talent evaluator, I deal with the business. I feel it is my job to hire good football talent evaluators".
Never once here have you heard Depo and Sachi say that they are relying on their scouts and pro personell people to evaluate the talent. Perhaps they even ignore them.
So, yes, I think we need a football guy....a real talent evaluator, in charge of the draft. These two mooks can have their input. (or what ever analytics geeks replace them can have it.....as analytics WILL continue to be used). They just cannot be the be all and end all as they are now.
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the eagles sure did reach for wentz at 2....
There's a difference..... our front office didn't think he was going to be good. They missed on a prospect. It happens and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at missing once. Trading down and not taking Watson or Hooker did make me mad.... (and please don't try to argue that they're injured now because they suck. they are good prospects). If we trade down next year, I can't justify what we're doing anymore. Honestly I'd be cool if we at least take a quarterback by our second pick in the first round. Barkley and Baker Mayfield is what I want now.
There's a difference..... our front office didn't think he was going to be good. They missed on a prospect. It happens and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at missing once. Trading down and not taking Watson or Hooker did make me mad.... (and please don't try to argue that they're injured now because they suck. they are good prospects). If we trade down next year, I can't justify what we're doing anymore. Honestly I'd be cool if we at least take a quarterback by our second pick in the first round. Barkley and Baker Mayfield is what I want now.
I think that would just be a repeat of the TR/Weeden year.
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