Wentz Goff and Mariotta
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yall will never admit even if Wentz is holding that MVP trophy
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Except that he would suck if he were here. That’s the point. Don’t deflect. The surrounding cast is far, far better in Philly. And in LA. And in Tennessee. People need to shut up about these guys already.
you don't get it- he's a much much better player than the guys we have. So while he may not have 23 tds or whatever it is, he'd still be playing much better. Because thats what better players do. This continued bs about how we shouldnt get elite players because they may not be as good here because our other players suck is the most insane thing I've ever read. Carson Wentz is a very good qb right now. Period. Our team needs very good players. period.
And Philadephia's skill players, especially at wide reciever, are mostly a so-so ensemble class. Their offensive line, especially before peters went down, was pretty solid. But you know who else's offensive line(before JT went down) was supposedly pretty solid too and cost a damn fortune? Yes, the cleveland browns.....
If you think philly is loaded on offense outside of qb, you havent looked. They arent.
finally, we *ARE* going to likely take a qb high in the draft this year, which kind of goes against your point. Because the talent level on offense certainly isn't any better than it was 2 years ago(its probably even worse), so if we couldn't pull the trigger then because of concerns about supporting talent around a high draft pick why would we pull the trigger now(which we will)?
you don't get it- he's a much much better player than the guys we have. So while he may not have 23 tds or whatever it is, he'd still be playing much better. Because thats what better players do. This continued bs about how we shouldnt get elite players because they may not be as good here because our other players suck is the most insane thing I've ever read. Carson Wentz is a very good qb right now. Period. Our team needs very good players. period.
And Philadephia's skill players, especially at wide reciever, are mostly a so-so ensemble class. Their offensive line, especially before peters went down, was pretty solid. But you know who else's offensive line(before JT went down) was supposedly pretty solid too and cost a damn fortune? Yes, the cleveland browns.....
If you think philly is loaded on offense outside of qb, you havent looked. They arent.
finally, we *ARE* going to likely take a qb high in the draft this year, which kind of goes against your point. Because the talent level on offense certainly isn't any better than it was 2 years ago(its probably even worse), so if we couldn't pull the trigger then because of concerns about supporting talent around a high draft pick why would we pull the trigger now(which we will)?
No, you think he's "a much better player than the guys we have," because you've seen him play with HIS surrounding cast. If he had come into the league playing with ours, he'd just be another guy in our QB room. Nothing special. Yes, our team needs very good players. Yes, our fans would have wanted Wentz run off by now. It's that simple.
Philly has Alshon Jeffery and Zach Ertz. Please stop this canard that they're so-so, especially compared to us. They also have better backs than we do. Better blocking from the TE position, etc.
Aside from his kickoff returns and one big run vs Ohio State, I don't think Barkley has done very much over the past several weeks. Nobody here thinks he's overhyped?
I've only been on the mountaintop saying it since pretty much day 1...
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I see that the Packers pretty much suck without their QB now. Too bad that we don't even have a QB to lose
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Except that he would suck if he were here. That’s the point. Don’t deflect. The surrounding cast is far, far better in Philly. And in LA. And in Tennessee. People need to shut up about these guys already.
That logic doesn't make any sense. We can't say how good Wentz or Goff would be here because we just don't know. The surround casts are better different places because they spend more money than Jimmy does. Our offensive line is better than the Eagles, and most offensive lines though. The Eagles have a better WR corp.
but Wentz is a better QB than any QB on the Browns roster.
Therefore, Wentz would make the Browns better. How much better? We can speculate, but Definitely, better.
That logic doesn't make any sense. We can't say how good Wentz or Goff would be here because we just don't know. The surround casts are better different places because they spend more money than Jimmy does. Our offensive line is better than the Eagles, and most offensive lines though. The Eagles have a better WR corp.
but Wentz is a better QB than any QB on the Browns roster.
Therefore, Wentz would make the Browns better. How much better? We can speculate, but Definitely, better.
We Browns fans should not bring up guys who the Browns current front office could have drafted because it wouldn't matter because the surrounding cast - that this front office has not improved - is bad.
But any talk of replacing front office who missed on talented QBs and providing a surrounding cast is knee-jerk idiocy at it's best.
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you don't get it- he's a much much better player than the guys we have. So while he may not have 23 tds or whatever it is, he'd still be playing much better. Because thats what better players do. This continued bs about how we shouldnt get elite players because they may not be as good here because our other players suck is the most insane thing I've ever read. Carson Wentz is a very good qb right now. Period. Our team needs very good players. period.
And Philadephia's skill players, especially at wide reciever, are mostly a so-so ensemble class. Their offensive line, especially before peters went down, was pretty solid. But you know who else's offensive line(before JT went down) was supposedly pretty solid too and cost a damn fortune? Yes, the cleveland browns.....
If you think philly is loaded on offense outside of qb, you havent looked. They arent.
finally, we *ARE* going to likely take a qb high in the draft this year, which kind of goes against your point. Because the talent level on offense certainly isn't any better than it was 2 years ago(its probably even worse), so if we couldn't pull the trigger then because of concerns about supporting talent around a high draft pick why would we pull the trigger now(which we will)?
No, you think he's "a much better player than the guys we have," because you've seen him play with HIS surrounding cast. If he had come into the league playing with ours, he'd just be another guy in our QB room. Nothing special. Yes, our team needs very good players. Yes, our fans would have wanted Wentz run off by now. It's that simple.
Philly has Alshon Jeffery and Zach Ertz. Please stop this canard that they're so-so, especially compared to us. They also have better backs than we do. Better blocking from the TE position, etc.
Aside from his kickoff returns and one big run vs Ohio State, I don't think Barkley has done very much over the past several weeks. Nobody here thinks he's overhyped?
I've only been on the mountaintop saying it since pretty much day 1...
No, you think he's "a much better player than the guys we have," because you've seen him play with HIS surrounding cast. If he had come into the league playing with ours, he'd just be another guy in our QB room. Nothing special. Yes, our team needs very good players. Yes, our fans would have wanted Wentz run off by now. It's that simple.
Philly has Alshon Jeffery and Zach Ertz. Please stop this canard that they're so-so, especially compared to us. They also have better backs than we do. Better blocking from the TE position, etc.
I've only been on the mountaintop saying it since pretty much day 1...
Yet Wentz made Philly's backup Tight End look like a stud.
I'd trade Kizer for Wentz in a heartbeat.
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No, you think he's "a much better player than the guys we have," because you've seen him play with HIS surrounding cast. If he had come into the league playing with ours, he'd just be another guy in our QB room. Nothing special. Yes, our team needs very good players. Yes, our fans would have wanted Wentz run off by now. It's that simple.
Philly has Alshon Jeffery and Zach Ertz. Please stop this canard that they're so-so, especially compared to us. They also have better backs than we do. Better blocking from the TE position, etc.
I've only been on the mountaintop saying it since pretty much day 1...
Yet Wentz made Philly's backup Tight End look like a stud.
I'd trade Kizer for Wentz in a heartbeat.
Yet Wentz made Philly's backup Tight End look like a stud.
I'd trade Kizer for Wentz in a heartbeat.
Kizer, Kessler, Hogan and basically anyone else they want from our roster I'd trade for Wentz.
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Yet Wentz made Philly's backup Tight End look like a stud.
I'd trade Kizer for Wentz in a heartbeat.
Kizer, Kessler, Hogan and basically anyone else they want from our roster I'd trade for Wentz.
Kizer, Kessler, Hogan and basically anyone else they want from our roster I'd trade for Wentz.
We don't have anyone as good as Wentz
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We don't have anyone as good as Wentz
I was packaging all 3 of those guys and then they can pick anyone else off the roster with maybe the exception of Garrett.
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there is absolutely no evidence to support any of this ridiculous speculation.
Almost 20 years of it now, but keep telling yourself that.
this kind of thinking doesnt make any sense, and it DOESNT EVEN APPLY HERE because we are going to take a qb with this next high pick and we sure as hell havent built anything for the qb yet. We're going to take Darnold or some other qb with our first pick in 5 months or whatever and thats fine....but we havent put anything around him.
We've built a really good offensive line and defense...
We've built a really good offensive line and defense...
A really good defense doesn't go 0-8. Soon to be 0-9 because there's no way this team is going into Detroit and winning.
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How the Shmuck can Sashi and his nimrods still have a job after they passed on two really good QBs..
Should have drafted Carson Wentz
But we traded back and Browns'd up the 2016 draft..
Should have drafted Watson
But we traded back and Browns'd up the 2017 draft..
I wonder who we trade down and pass up next year... Baker Mayfield? Josh Rosen? Saquon Barkley?
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You build a team for the QB first, then get the QB.
thank god we got peppers tho.
"da peppers Sammy, da pepers.....then you slice the garlic really thin with a razor blade? yeah frankie pull it out ur butt! we got the sausage and da peppers.da peppers." now all we need is 52 guys. just 52. cuz i'm comin back in over dey."
fuggin joke since '99.
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there is absolutely no evidence to support any of this ridiculous speculation.
Almost 20 years of it now, but keep telling yourself that.
this kind of thinking doesnt make any sense, and it DOESNT EVEN APPLY HERE because we are going to take a qb with this next high pick and we sure as hell havent built anything for the qb yet. We're going to take Darnold or some other qb with our first pick in 5 months or whatever and thats fine....but we havent put anything around him.
We've built a really good offensive line and defense...
Almost 20 years of it now, but keep telling yourself that.
We've built a really good offensive line and defense...
That really good defense is 28th in giving up points...maybe you should keep telling yourself that.
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You build a team for the QB first, then get the QB.
thank god we got peppers tho.
"da peppers Sammy, da pepers.....then you slice the garlic really thin with a razor blade? yeah frankie pull it out ur butt! we got the sausage and da peppers.da peppers." now all we need is 52 guys. just 52. cuz i'm comin back in over dey."
fuggin joke since '99.
thank god we got peppers tho.
"da peppers Sammy, da pepers.....then you slice the garlic really thin with a razor blade? yeah frankie pull it out ur butt! we got the sausage and da peppers.da peppers." now all we need is 52 guys. just 52. cuz i'm comin back in over dey."
fuggin joke since '99.
I would like to see the Youtube blurb on that.
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We don't have anyone as good as Wentz
I was packaging all 3 of those guys and then they can pick anyone else off the roster with maybe the exception of Garrett.
I was packaging all 3 of those guys and then they can pick anyone else off the roster with maybe the exception of Garrett.
would you trade garrett for wentz straight up?
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would you trade garrett for wentz straight up?
Yes i would
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would you trade garrett for wentz straight up?
Yes i would
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would you trade garrett for wentz straight up?
And then Garrett will turn into Lawrence Taylor without the drug issues and Wentz will throw for 450 yards and 4 TD's in his first game and then break his leg and have his right arm disconnect from his shoulder in his 2nd game and never play again.
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you don't get it- he's a much much better player than the guys we have. So while he may not have 23 tds or whatever it is, he'd still be playing much better. Because thats what better players do. This continued bs about how we shouldnt get elite players because they may not be as good here because our other players suck is the most insane thing I've ever read. Carson Wentz is a very good qb right now. Period. Our team needs very good players. period.
And Philadephia's skill players, especially at wide reciever, are mostly a so-so ensemble class. Their offensive line, especially before peters went down, was pretty solid. But you know who else's offensive line(before JT went down) was supposedly pretty solid too and cost a damn fortune? Yes, the cleveland browns.....
If you think philly is loaded on offense outside of qb, you havent looked. They arent.
finally, we *ARE* going to likely take a qb high in the draft this year, which kind of goes against your point. Because the talent level on offense certainly isn't any better than it was 2 years ago(its probably even worse), so if we couldn't pull the trigger then because of concerns about supporting talent around a high draft pick why would we pull the trigger now(which we will)?
No, you think he's "a much better player than the guys we have," because you've seen him play with HIS surrounding cast. If he had come into the league playing with ours, he'd just be another guy in our QB room. Nothing special. Yes, our team needs very good players. Yes, our fans would have wanted Wentz run off by now. It's that simple.
Philly has Alshon Jeffery and Zach Ertz. Please stop this canard that they're so-so, especially compared to us. They also have better backs than we do. Better blocking from the TE position, etc.
Aside from his kickoff returns and one big run vs Ohio State, I don't think Barkley has done very much over the past several weeks. Nobody here thinks he's overhyped?
I've only been on the mountaintop saying it since pretty much day 1...
No, you think he's "a much better player than the guys we have," because you've seen him play with HIS surrounding cast. If he had come into the league playing with ours, he'd just be another guy in our QB room. Nothing special. Yes, our team needs very good players. Yes, our fans would have wanted Wentz run off by now. It's that simple.
Philly has Alshon Jeffery and Zach Ertz. Please stop this canard that they're so-so, especially compared to us. They also have better backs than we do. Better blocking from the TE position, etc.
lol, you're engaging in troll level behavior at this point. Your argument is so ridiculous because it's set up that you can't possibly be wrong. Under this ridiculous pretense of yours, ANY AND EVERY qb, no matter who great or otherworldly, can be written off as useless to us and "would suck" here. Stop trolling the board. There is no point in discussing this with you if you keep up this ridiculous line of thought. Hell under this line of thought why should we even bother to draft a qb high 2 years later....since our wide recievers still suck. Oh and your failure to mention our expensive offensive line(which is half the supporting cast for a qb and the most important part some would say for a young qb) is noted.
As for philly, yes...their skill players on the whole are so-so. Jeffrey is ok, but he didn't garner a lot of attention this offseason and couldnt get a long term deal from anyone. It's been an ENSEMBLE and rag tag bunch at wide reciever for the most part for philly. Look at who he threw to last game when Ertz didnt even play. He's been targeting relatively unknowns most of the year.....and been succeeding with them. But even arguing just how good or not good the philly wideouts are misses the point(first paragraph above)....you were saying the same crap about watson though and the texans. Well guess what....we've seen a game and a half of a browns level qb(Savage), and do you note any big difference between the offense with Browns level qb play and Watson? I'm sure you will deny or deflect that as well and just post the same useless "oh good qbs would suck here" bit, which is the lamest argument ever because it can't be supported or refuted.
Stop trolling this board.
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thank god we got peppers tho.
"da peppers Sammy, da pepers.....then you slice the garlic really thin with a razor blade? yeah frankie pull it out ur butt! we got the sausage and da peppers.da peppers." now all we need is 52 guys. just 52. cuz i'm comin back in over dey."
fuggin joke since '99.
I would like to see the Youtube blurb on that.
I would like to see the Youtube blurb on that.
my version of the guys in jail in 'goodfellas'. used to make sausage in peppers in the tin lasagna pans and throw on grill every saturday. bartender was uki but loved 'the peppers.' 'the peppers'.
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there is absolutely no evidence to support any of this ridiculous speculation.
Almost 20 years of it now, but keep telling yourself that.
this kind of thinking doesnt make any sense, and it DOESNT EVEN APPLY HERE because we are going to take a qb with this next high pick and we sure as hell havent built anything for the qb yet. We're going to take Darnold or some other qb with our first pick in 5 months or whatever and thats fine....but we havent put anything around him.
We've built a really good offensive line and defense...
Almost 20 years of it now, but keep telling yourself that.
We've built a really good offensive line and defense...
You're a real tool.
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