Two Picks in the Top Ten
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I noted elsewhere that the Browns, in theory, could end up with 2 picks in the Top Ten picks of the draft....as certainly they seem on their own to be headed that way...they would pick #2 right now. Plus as things stand now, they would have the #7 pick in the draft from their trade with Houston. If the DATs continue to tank...they could make it.
So....just out of curiosity I thought: what have other teams done when they had 2 picks in the Top Ten of the draft throughout history. Well...here is that history...going back only to the common draft that started in 1966. The following teams had 2 picks in the Top Ten of the draft since then and these are whom they chose. Note: per my research, NO team has ever had 3 picks in the top ten...at least not since 1966:
1967 Minnesota Vikings chose: Clint Jones and Gene Washington
1969 Los Angeles Rams chose: Jim Seymour and Larry Smith
1973 Baltimore Colts chose: Joe Ehrmann and Bert Jones
1973 Philadelphia Eagles chose: Charlie Young and Gerald Sizemore
1974 San Francisco 49ers chose: Bill Sandifer and Wilbur Jackson
1977 Cincinnati Bengals chose: Wilson Whitley and Eddie Edwards
1979 Chicago Bears chose: Al Harris and Dan Hampton HOF
1982: Baltimore?? Colts chose: Johnnie Cooks and Art Schlichter
1988: The LA?? Raiders chose: Tim Brown HOF and Terry McDaniel
1990: The New England Patriots chose: Chris Singleton and Ray Agnew
1992: The Indianapolis Colts chose: Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt
1997: The Seattle Seahawks chose: Shawn Springs and Walter Jones HOF
2000: The Baltimore Ravens chose: Jamal Lewis and Travis Taylor
2000: The Washington Redskins chose: Lavar Arrington and Chris Samuel
and 2000 is the last year any team has had 2 picks in the Top 10
So....who made the most...and who did the worst of the position they had?
I think the best was those Bears...who obtained two of the solid Rocks of the awesome defense they displayed a few years later, followed by the 1997 Seahawks. Jones was HOF, and Springs was solid.
Worst was likely the 1982 Colts, with Cooks and Schlichter. We know what a bust Artie boy was...and Cooks was at best average.
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If we do get 2 t10, bet the farm one of those gets traded down for picks for next season.. I don't disagree, just the way it will be...
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If we do get 2 t10, bet the farm one of those gets traded down for picks for next season.. I don't disagree, just the way it will be...
If we do get 2 t10, bet the farm one of those gets traded down for picks for next season.. I don't disagree, just the way it will be...
Maybe if Sashi doesn't like this years QB class, he'll trade down both the picks for two #1's next year.
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Did I miss something?
1978 Cleveland Browns ... Ozzie Newsome HOF, Clay Matthews, HOF nominee.
Zombo
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Did I miss something?
1978 Cleveland Browns ... Ozzie Newsome HOF, Clay Matthews, HOF nominee.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Did I miss something?
1978 Cleveland Browns ... Ozzie Newsome HOF, Clay Matthews, HOF nominee.
Zombo
Never mind ... I see now, two picks in top 10 ... ours weren't top ten ... but They were damn good ... further proof that only fools root for the Browns to lose to get better draft picks.
Z
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Charlie Brown better kick the ball next year and not have Lucy make him fall flat on his back.
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Charlie Brown better kick the ball next year and not have Lucy make him fall flat on his back.
Charlie Brown better kick the ball next year and not have Lucy make him fall flat on his back.
One of my biggest concerns if this FO is still around to do this draft is that with a 3-29 record in 2 seasons they will have the shortest view in the room and the whole draft is centered around getting to 8 wins at any cost in 2018 so that everyone has the best chance to keep their jobs a 4th year.
A new FO going into year 1 may be able to feel more secure in making picks for the future.
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Charlie Brown better kick the ball next year and not have Lucy make him fall flat on his back.
One of my biggest concerns if this FO is still around to do this draft is that with a 3-29 record in 2 seasons they will have the shortest view in the room and the whole draft is centered around getting to 8 wins at any cost in 2018 so that everyone has the best chance to keep their jobs a 4th year.
A new FO going into year 1 may be able to feel more secure in making picks for the future.
One of my biggest concerns if this FO is still around to do this draft is that with a 3-29 record in 2 seasons they will have the shortest view in the room and the whole draft is centered around getting to 8 wins at any cost in 2018 so that everyone has the best chance to keep their jobs a 4th year.
A new FO going into year 1 may be able to feel more secure in making picks for the future.
And that's the ironic thing... the posters who are for keeping the organization intact and who are preaching patience could very well be betrayed for knee-jerk decisions if the people in charge remain for another offseason. Staffs who know they are on a short leash almost always make decisions with the idea of fast results, which often have negative long term ramifications. I call it the "Butch Davis Signing 35 Year Old Jeff Garcia and Drafting Winslow Instead of Roethlisberger Effect'.
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exactly.....drafting Darnold(which may be the right thing to do for the franchise) doesn't make sense unless you think he is the guy who gives you the best chance to win NOW. Because if they are lucky enough to keep their jobs after 2-30, they sure as hell won't keep their jobs if they are 4-12 in 2018 in year 3 and 6-42 overall after 3 years. So in a panic they may pass on a rookie qb and sign some mccown/hoyer type...
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First round picks can be a crap shoot but the BROWNS have come up snake eyes since 1999 a couple of good ones here and there.
National Football League, Modern Era (1970–present)19703Mike PhippsQBPurdue[8]21Bob McKayOTTexas 197114Clarence ScottDBKansas 197218Thom DardenDBMichigan 197316Steve HoldenWRArizona State[9]22Pete AdamsOGUSC 1974—No Pick——[10]19755Mack MitchellDLHouston 19767Mike PruittFB/RBPurdue 197717Robert JacksonLBTexas A&M 197812Clay MatthewsLBUSC23Ozzie Newsome †TEAlabama[11 ]197920Willis AdamsWRHouston[12] 198027Charles WhiteRBUSC[13] 198122Hanford DixonCBSouthern Miss 19823Chip BanksLB/WRUSC 1983—No Pick——[14]198418Don RogersSUCLA 1985—No Pick——[15]1986—No Pick——[16]19875Mike JunkinLBDuke[17 ]198821Clifford CharltonLBFlorida 198913Eric MetcalfRB/WRTexas[18]1990—No Pick——[19]19912Eric TurnerDBUCLA 19929Tommy VardellFB/RBStanford 199314Steve EverittCMichigan[20] 19949Antonio LanghamCBAlabama29Derrick AlexanderWRMichigan[21] 199530Craig PowellLBOhio State[22]1996
Franchise moved to Baltimore, no team in Cleveland from 1996–19981997199819991Tim Couch *QBKentucky20001Courtney Brown *DEPenn State20013Gerard WarrenDTFlorida 200216William GreenRBBoston College[23] 200321Jeff FaineCNotre Dame 20046Kellen Winslow IITEMiami[24]20053Braylon EdwardsWRWolverines 200613Kamerion WimbleyLBFlorida State[25] 20073Joe ThomasOTWisconsin[26]22Brady QuinnQBNotre Dame[27]2008—No Pick——[27]200921Alex MackCCalifornia[28]
20107Joe HadenCBFlorida 201121Phil TaylorDTBaylor 20123Trent RichardsonRBAlabama22Brandon WeedenQBOklahoma State 20136Barkevious MingoOLBLSU 20148Justin GilbertCBOklahoma State22Johnny ManzielQBTexas A&M 201512Danny SheltonDTWashington19Cameron ErvingCFlorida State 201615Corey ColemanWRBaylor 20171Myles Garrett *DETexas A&M25Jabrill PeppersDBMichigan29David NjokuTEMiami
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
One of my biggest concerns if this FO is still around to do this draft is that with a 3-29 record in 2 seasons they will have the shortest view in the room and the whole draft is centered around getting to 8 wins at any cost in 2018 so that everyone has the best chance to keep their jobs a 4th year.
A new FO going into year 1 may be able to feel more secure in making picks for the future.
And that's the ironic thing... the posters who are for keeping the organization intact and who are preaching patience could very well be betrayed for knee-jerk decisions if the people in charge remain for another offseason. Staffs who know they are on a short leash almost always make decisions with the idea of fast results, which often have negative long term ramifications. I call it the "Butch Davis Signing 35 Year Old Jeff Garcia and Drafting Winslow Instead of Roethlisberger Effect'.
And that's the ironic thing... the posters who are for keeping the organization intact and who are preaching patience could very well be betrayed for knee-jerk decisions if the people in charge remain for another offseason. Staffs who know they are on a short leash almost always make decisions with the idea of fast results, which often have negative long term ramifications. I call it the "Butch Davis Signing 35 Year Old Jeff Garcia and Drafting Winslow Instead of Roethlisberger Effect'.
That's it. Anyway, I think it is more difficult to fit a rookie QB in a NFL team and make an impact in the first year if everything around him doesn't work well. I believe college QBs are less and less prepared to play in pro level with the systems they run on college. At least in their first year. Wentz didn't have a great rookie year with the drop circus he had around him last year, and Watson has played at an oustanding level in an offense which for years has only lacked a QB.
Will we see one of those top draft picks traded for a veteran QB? For me the clever move would be creating the least QB dependable team possible. Strong run game, stout defense. 20 years with no franchise quaterback and after two drafts drafting QBs in 3rd and 2nd round you wanna give a shoot in the first at the probably one draft you have left? Risky business...
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And that's the ironic thing... the posters who are for keeping the organization intact and who are preaching patience could very well be betrayed for knee-jerk decisions if the people in charge remain for another offseason. Staffs who know they are on a short leash almost always make decisions with the idea of fast results, which often have negative long term ramifications. I call it the "Butch Davis Signing 35 Year Old Jeff Garcia and Drafting Winslow Instead of Roethlisberger Effect'.
That's it. Anyway, I think it is more difficult to fit a rookie QB in a NFL team and make an impact in the first year if everything around him doesn't work well. I believe college QBs are less and less prepared to play in pro level with the systems they run on college. At least in their first year. Wentz didn't have a great rookie year with the drop circus he had around him last year, and Watson has played at an oustanding level in an offense which for years has only lacked a QB.
Will we see one of those top draft picks traded for a veteran QB? For me the clever move would be creating the least QB dependable team possible. Strong run game, stout defense. 20 years with no franchise quaterback and after two drafts drafting QBs in 3rd and 2nd round you wanna give a shoot in the first at the probably one draft you have left? Risky business...
That's it. Anyway, I think it is more difficult to fit a rookie QB in a NFL team and make an impact in the first year if everything around him doesn't work well. I believe college QBs are less and less prepared to play in pro level with the systems they run on college. At least in their first year. Wentz didn't have a great rookie year with the drop circus he had around him last year, and Watson has played at an oustanding level in an offense which for years has only lacked a QB.
Will we see one of those top draft picks traded for a veteran QB? For me the clever move would be creating the least QB dependable team possible. Strong run game, stout defense. 20 years with no franchise quaterback and after two drafts drafting QBs in 3rd and 2nd round you wanna give a shoot in the first at the probably one draft you have left? Risky business...
Problem is, the "strong defense/strong run game" teams don't win Super Bowls anymore. You need to be a strong passing team now. Doesn't mean running the ball isn't important, or defense isn't important, but good luck winning a Super Bowl by beating teams 20-13 every week.
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That's it. Anyway, I think it is more difficult to fit a rookie QB in a NFL team and make an impact in the first year if everything around him doesn't work well. I believe college QBs are less and less prepared to play in pro level with the systems they run on college. At least in their first year. Wentz didn't have a great rookie year with the drop circus he had around him last year, and Watson has played at an oustanding level in an offense which for years has only lacked a QB.
Will we see one of those top draft picks traded for a veteran QB? For me the clever move would be creating the least QB dependable team possible. Strong run game, stout defense. 20 years with no franchise quaterback and after two drafts drafting QBs in 3rd and 2nd round you wanna give a shoot in the first at the probably one draft you have left? Risky business...
Problem is, the "strong defense/strong run game" teams don't win Super Bowls anymore. You need to be a strong passing team now. Doesn't mean running the ball isn't important, or defense isn't important, but good luck winning a Super Bowl by beating teams 20-13 every week.
Problem is, the "strong defense/strong run game" teams don't win Super Bowls anymore. You need to be a strong passing team now. Doesn't mean running the ball isn't important, or defense isn't important, but good luck winning a Super Bowl by beating teams 20-13 every week.
I get that. But I'm trying to put myself in the position of the current FO, willing for 8 wins in 2018. Sadly there's still a long way for the SB. Also, I don't mean to forget the passing game, but make it less of a factor, because nowadays it is more difficult to make it work with current QBs. Teams like Denver and Seattle have won with offense and passing game not being the 'dominant' corp in the team.
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We would Screw it up if we had 31 picks in the first round....the only one we did not pick would go on to be the only pro bowler drafted
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That's it. Anyway, I think it is more difficult to fit a rookie QB in a NFL team and make an impact in the first year if everything around him doesn't work well. I believe college QBs are less and less prepared to play in pro level with the systems they run on college. At least in their first year. Wentz didn't have a great rookie year with the drop circus he had around him last year, and Watson has played at an oustanding level in an offense which for years has only lacked a QB.
Will we see one of those top draft picks traded for a veteran QB? For me the clever move would be creating the least QB dependable team possible. Strong run game, stout defense. 20 years with no franchise quaterback and after two drafts drafting QBs in 3rd and 2nd round you wanna give a shoot in the first at the probably one draft you have left? Risky business...
Problem is, the "strong defense/strong run game" teams don't win Super Bowls anymore. You need to be a strong passing team now. Doesn't mean running the ball isn't important, or defense isn't important, but good luck winning a Super Bowl by beating teams 20-13 every week.
Problem is, the "strong defense/strong run game" teams don't win Super Bowls anymore. You need to be a strong passing team now. Doesn't mean running the ball isn't important, or defense isn't important, but good luck winning a Super Bowl by beating teams 20-13 every week.
Yeah no team can get to a Superbowl with a season like that.
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Did I miss something?
1978 Cleveland Browns ... Ozzie Newsome HOF, Clay Matthews, HOF nominee.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Did I miss something?
1978 Cleveland Browns ... Ozzie Newsome HOF, Clay Matthews, HOF nominee.
Zombo
They were not both in the Top Ten. Matthews was 12, Ozzie #23
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First round picks can be a crap shoot but the BROWNS have come up snake eyes since 1999 a couple of good ones here and there.
National Football League, Modern Era (1970–present)19703Mike PhippsQBPurdue[8]21Bob McKayOTTexas 197114Clarence ScottDBKansas 197218Thom DardenDBMichigan 197316Steve HoldenWRArizona State[9]22Pete AdamsOGUSC 1974—No Pick——[10]19755Mack MitchellDLHouston 19767Mike PruittFB/RBPurdue 197717Robert JacksonLBTexas A&M 197812Clay MatthewsLBUSC23Ozzie Newsome †TEAlabama[11 ]197920Willis AdamsWRHouston[12] 198027Charles WhiteRBUSC[13] 198122Hanford DixonCBSouthern Miss 19823Chip BanksLB/WRUSC 1983—No Pick——[14]198418Don RogersSUCLA 1985—No Pick——[15]1986—No Pick——[16]19875Mike JunkinLBDuke[17 ]198821Clifford CharltonLBFlorida 198913Eric MetcalfRB/WRTexas[18]1990—No Pick——[19]19912Eric TurnerDBUCLA 19929Tommy VardellFB/RBStanford 199314Steve EverittCMichigan[20] 19949Antonio LanghamCBAlabama29Derrick AlexanderWRMichigan[21] 199530Craig PowellLBOhio State[22]1996
Franchise moved to Baltimore, no team in Cleveland from 1996–19981997199819991Tim Couch *QBKentucky20001Courtney Brown *DEPenn State20013Gerard WarrenDTFlorida 200216William GreenRBBoston College[23] 200321Jeff FaineCNotre Dame 20046Kellen Winslow IITEMiami[24]20053Braylon EdwardsWRWolverines 200613Kamerion WimbleyLBFlorida State[25] 20073Joe ThomasOTWisconsin[26]22Brady QuinnQBNotre Dame[27]2008—No Pick——[27]200921Alex MackCCalifornia[28]
20107Joe HadenCBFlorida 201121Phil TaylorDTBaylor 20123Trent RichardsonRBAlabama22Brandon WeedenQBOklahoma State 20136Barkevious MingoOLBLSU 20148Justin GilbertCBOklahoma State22Johnny ManzielQBTexas A&M 201512Danny SheltonDTWashington19Cameron ErvingCFlorida State 201615Corey ColemanWRBaylor 20171Myles Garrett *DETexas A&M25Jabrill PeppersDBMichigan29David NjokuTEMiami
First round picks can be a crap shoot but the BROWNS have come up snake eyes since 1999 a couple of good ones here and there.
National Football League, Modern Era (1970–present)19703Mike PhippsQBPurdue[8]21Bob McKayOTTexas 197114Clarence ScottDBKansas 197218Thom DardenDBMichigan 197316Steve HoldenWRArizona State[9]22Pete AdamsOGUSC 1974—No Pick——[10]19755Mack MitchellDLHouston 19767Mike PruittFB/RBPurdue 197717Robert JacksonLBTexas A&M 197812Clay MatthewsLBUSC23Ozzie Newsome †TEAlabama[11 ]197920Willis AdamsWRHouston[12] 198027Charles WhiteRBUSC[13] 198122Hanford DixonCBSouthern Miss 19823Chip BanksLB/WRUSC 1983—No Pick——[14]198418Don RogersSUCLA 1985—No Pick——[15]1986—No Pick——[16]19875Mike JunkinLBDuke[17 ]198821Clifford CharltonLBFlorida 198913Eric MetcalfRB/WRTexas[18]1990—No Pick——[19]19912Eric TurnerDBUCLA 19929Tommy VardellFB/RBStanford 199314Steve EverittCMichigan[20] 19949Antonio LanghamCBAlabama29Derrick AlexanderWRMichigan[21] 199530Craig PowellLBOhio State[22]1996
Franchise moved to Baltimore, no team in Cleveland from 1996–19981997199819991Tim Couch *QBKentucky20001Courtney Brown *DEPenn State20013Gerard WarrenDTFlorida 200216William GreenRBBoston College[23] 200321Jeff FaineCNotre Dame 20046Kellen Winslow IITEMiami[24]20053Braylon EdwardsWRWolverines 200613Kamerion WimbleyLBFlorida State[25] 20073Joe ThomasOTWisconsin[26]22Brady QuinnQBNotre Dame[27]2008—No Pick——[27]200921Alex MackCCalifornia[28]
20107Joe HadenCBFlorida 201121Phil TaylorDTBaylor 20123Trent RichardsonRBAlabama22Brandon WeedenQBOklahoma State 20136Barkevious MingoOLBLSU 20148Justin GilbertCBOklahoma State22Johnny ManzielQBTexas A&M 201512Danny SheltonDTWashington19Cameron ErvingCFlorida State 201615Corey ColemanWRBaylor 20171Myles Garrett *DETexas A&M25Jabrill PeppersDBMichigan29David NjokuTEMiami
The Franchise NEVER fuyucking moved to Baltimore. Do we need to drive a chisel through your skull to get that fact straight?
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Problem is, the "strong defense/strong run game" teams don't win Super Bowls anymore. You need to be a strong passing team now. Doesn't mean running the ball isn't important, or defense isn't important, but good luck winning a Super Bowl by beating teams 20-13 every week.
Yeah no team can get to a Superbowl with a season like that.
Yeah no team can get to a Superbowl with a season like that.
Here's the team QB rating of every Super Bowl winner since 2009, and in parentheses the NFL average:
2016: New England 109.6 (87.6)
2015: Denver 76.3 (88.4)
2014: New England 97.5 (87.1)
2013: Seattle 102.4 (84.1)
2012: Baltimore 86.4 (83.8)
2011: NY Giants 92.9 (82.5)
2010: Green Bay 98.9 (82.2)
2009: New Orleans 106.0 (81.2)
Now I don't think it's important to be a pass-happy team - a team that puts up 400 yards passing every week - but I still believe in today's NFL, you need to be an above average in the ability to pass the ball well.
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Yeah no team can get to a Superbowl with a season like that.
Here's the team QB rating of every Super Bowl winner since 2009, and in parentheses the NFL average:
2016: New England 109.6 (87.6)
2015: Denver 76.3 (88.4)
2014: New England 97.5 (87.1)
2013: Seattle 102.4 (84.1)
2012: Baltimore 86.4 (83.8)
2011: NY Giants 92.9 (82.5)
2010: Green Bay 98.9 (82.2)
2009: New Orleans 106.0 (81.2)
Now I don't think it's important to be a pass-happy team - a team that puts up 400 yards passing every week - but I still believe in today's NFL, you need to be an above average in the ability to pass the ball well.
Here's the team QB rating of every Super Bowl winner since 2009, and in parentheses the NFL average:
2016: New England 109.6 (87.6)
2015: Denver 76.3 (88.4)
2014: New England 97.5 (87.1)
2013: Seattle 102.4 (84.1)
2012: Baltimore 86.4 (83.8)
2011: NY Giants 92.9 (82.5)
2010: Green Bay 98.9 (82.2)
2009: New Orleans 106.0 (81.2)
Now I don't think it's important to be a pass-happy team - a team that puts up 400 yards passing every week - but I still believe in today's NFL, you need to be an above average in the ability to pass the ball well.
OK, so....we may have two picks in the Top Ten next year. Is it your plan to take someone with those picks that will put the Browns in the "above average" level?
(Also...just curious...as to what the Browns QB ratings were those years compared to the league average.
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First round picks can be a crap shoot but the BROWNS have come up snake eyes since 1999 a couple of good ones here and there.
National Football League, Modern Era (1970–present)19703Mike PhippsQBPurdue[8]21Bob McKayOTTexas 197114Clarence ScottDBKansas 197218Thom DardenDBMichigan 197316Steve HoldenWRArizona State[9]22Pete AdamsOGUSC 1974—No Pick——[10]19755Mack MitchellDLHouston 19767Mike PruittFB/RBPurdue 197717Robert JacksonLBTexas A&M 197812Clay MatthewsLBUSC23Ozzie Newsome †TEAlabama[11 ]197920Willis AdamsWRHouston[12] 198027Charles WhiteRBUSC[13] 198122Hanford DixonCBSouthern Miss 19823Chip BanksLB/WRUSC 1983—No Pick——[14]198418Don RogersSUCLA 1985—No Pick——[15]1986—No Pick——[16]19875Mike JunkinLBDuke[17 ]198821Clifford CharltonLBFlorida 198913Eric MetcalfRB/WRTexas[18]1990—No Pick——[19]19912Eric TurnerDBUCLA 19929Tommy VardellFB/RBStanford 199314Steve EverittCMichigan[20] 19949Antonio LanghamCBAlabama29Derrick AlexanderWRMichigan[21] 199530Craig PowellLBOhio State[22]1996
Franchise moved to Baltimore, no team in Cleveland from 1996–19981997199819991Tim Couch *QBKentucky20001Courtney Brown *DEPenn State20013Gerard WarrenDTFlorida 200216William GreenRBBoston College[23] 200321Jeff FaineCNotre Dame 20046Kellen Winslow IITEMiami[24]20053Braylon EdwardsWRWolverines 200613Kamerion WimbleyLBFlorida State[25] 20073Joe ThomasOTWisconsin[26]22Brady QuinnQBNotre Dame[27]2008—No Pick——[27]200921Alex MackCCalifornia[28]
20107Joe HadenCBFlorida 201121Phil TaylorDTBaylor 20123Trent RichardsonRBAlabama22Brandon WeedenQBOklahoma State 20136Barkevious MingoOLBLSU 20148Justin GilbertCBOklahoma State22Johnny ManzielQBTexas A&M 201512Danny SheltonDTWashington19Cameron ErvingCFlorida State 201615Corey ColemanWRBaylor 20171Myles Garrett *DETexas A&M25Jabrill PeppersDBMichigan29David NjokuTEMiami
The Franchise NEVER fuyucking moved to Baltimore. Do we need to drive a chisel through your skull to get that fact straight?
The Franchise NEVER fuyucking moved to Baltimore. Do we need to drive a chisel through your skull to get that fact straight?
You mean put a chisel through Wikipedia and most every other media outlet? They have it that way not me.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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