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  • W Westside Steve

    @stillmotion said:

    Nobody? Barkley even exploded against Ohio State. Mayfield is up for the Heisman. A clear running game and an explosive back like the Jaguars have would not only complement Duke, it would provide much needed fire power for our offense. I was never aboard the Kizer train as I thought he's a multi year project and shouldn't of played right away. With a Bridge QB (such as McCown, Baker Mayfield could learn for a year if need be, and then be the game manager that we need. I'm all aboard this kid. Compare him to Manziel, Weeden, whoever the heck you want, but I only compare him to himself.

    The argument - We don't have the playmakers to make a QB good so we shouldn't take one is stupid. The argument that Barkley might be a bust so we should trade down and pick another TE, Safety, or whatever with the first pick is stupid too. We need firepower on offense, and the earlier someone is picked, usually the better they are. I don't like Rosen, D'Arnold, or Allen. I don't like Rosen's attitude and friends of mine who have watched every UCLA game for the past few years told me they wouldn't even want Rosen on their team. 

    Wentz was good because he was a leader and WANTED it. He stayed late in the film room, lifted, spent time with his teammates, was smart, and worked hard. Say what you want about Mayfield and Barkley, but they're hard workers. 

    The Heisman???

    😮

    WSS

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    @westside-steve said:

    The Heisman???

    😮

    WSS

    ESPN Experts' PollfffNov. 7, 2017f

    Name Position School Year 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total
    Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma Sr. 12 0 0 0 0 60
    Bryce Love RB Stanford Jr. 0 4 4 2 1 33
    Saquon Barkley RB Penn State Jr. 0 3 2 4 2 28
    Khalil Tate QB Arizona Soph. 0 2 2 0 3 17
    Josh Adams RB Notre Dame Jr. 0 0 2 4 2 16
    Lamar Jackson QB Louisville Jr. 0 1 2 1 0 12
    Jonathan Taylor RB Wisconsin Fr. 0 2 0 0 0 8
    Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma State Sr. 0 0 0 1 2 4
    Nick Chubb RB Georgia Sr. 0 0 0 0 1 1
    Rashaad Penny

    From the ESPN experts poll today. http://www.espn.com/college-football/heisman/

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      I meant the Heisman gives me the willies kind of like being on the cover of Sports Illustrated or EA Sports video game...

      Jinx

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        @d-bone said:

        Got to wait and see how the rest of the season, the combine and the draft unfolds... Nobody knows what will happen. It's very possible that both, one or neither will be there with our second 1st round pick. 

        Time will tell. 

        In my opinion, Barkley is the most talented player coming out of the draft. Sashi said he didn't want to reach for a QB, and I currently believe at this moment, Rosen, D'Arnold, Allen, Jackson or any other QB would be a reach at #1 

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        @stillmotion said:

        In my opinion, Barkley is the most talented player coming out of the draft. Sashi said he didn't want to reach for a QB, and I currently believe at this moment, Rosen, D'Arnold, Allen, Jackson or any other QB would be a reach at #1 

        Hopefully the signing of Cousins makes taking yet another QB in the 1st round a non factor......  

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          @stillmotion said:

          In my opinion, Barkley is the most talented player coming out of the draft. Sashi said he didn't want to reach for a QB, and I currently believe at this moment, Rosen, D'Arnold, Allen, Jackson or any other QB would be a reach at #1 

          Hopefully the signing of Cousins makes taking yet another QB in the 1st round a non factor......  

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          @d-bone said:

          Hopefully the signing of Cousins makes taking yet another QB in the 1st round a non factor......  

          Would you consider an Alex Smith if we can't sign Cousins?

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            @stillmotion said:

            In my opinion, Barkley is the most talented player coming out of the draft. Sashi said he didn't want to reach for a QB, and I currently believe at this moment, Rosen, D'Arnold, Allen, Jackson or any other QB would be a reach at #1 

            Hopefully the signing of Cousins makes taking yet another QB in the 1st round a non factor......  

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            @d-bone said:

            Hopefully the signing of Cousins makes taking yet another QB in the 1st round a non factor......  

            Cousins, Barkley, and Baker Mayfield to sit and learn a couple years baby!

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              @d-bone said:

              Hopefully the signing of Cousins makes taking yet another QB in the 1st round a non factor......  

              Would you consider an Alex Smith if we can't sign Cousins?

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              @mark-o said:

              Would you consider an Alex Smith if we can't sign Cousins?

              Absolfreakinutely....... 

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                @mark-o said:

                Would you consider an Alex Smith if we can't sign Cousins?

                Absolfreakinutely....... 

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                @d-bone said:

                Absolfreakinutely....... 

                @mark-o said:

                Would you consider an Alex Smith if we can't sign Cousins?

                Smith is the quintessential game manager

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                  @d-bone said:

                  Absolfreakinutely....... 

                  @mark-o said:

                  Would you consider an Alex Smith if we can't sign Cousins?

                  Smith is the quintessential game manager

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                  @stillmotion said:

                  Smith is the quintessential game manager

                  True...but would you take him if he's available?  Either via trade of free agency?

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                    @stillmotion said:

                    Smith is the quintessential game manager

                    True...but would you take him if he's available?  Either via trade of free agency?

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                    @mark-o said:

                    True...but would you take him if he's available?  Either via trade of free agency?

                    If we can draft a younger guy and get Smith or Cousins i'd be game. 

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                      tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                      Aside from what was possibly the easiest kick return of his life against one of the worst special teams units in the country, what way did Barkley "explode" against the Bucks?!   Was it the whopping 2.1ypc?!  Holy Sheet, that's elite!

                      Also, Shmuck fan pressure and most of our fans.  I watched the lot cheer for the Johnny pick.   If you yield to fan pressure in the draft on questionable players while 99% of NFL fans have zero idea what they're talking about, then this FO needs to be tossed for other reasons. 

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                        Aside from what was possibly the easiest kick return of his life against one of the worst special teams units in the country, what way did Barkley "explode" against the Bucks?!   Was it the whopping 2.1ypc?!  Holy Sheet, that's elite!

                        Also, Shmuck fan pressure and most of our fans.  I watched the lot cheer for the Johnny pick.   If you yield to fan pressure in the draft on questionable players while 99% of NFL fans have zero idea what they're talking about, then this FO needs to be tossed for other reasons. 

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                        stillmotionS stillmotion wrote on last edited by stillmotion
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                        @tiamat63 said:

                        Aside from what was possibly the easiest kick return of his life against one of the worst special teams units in the country, what way did Barkley "explode" against the Bucks?!   Was it the whopping 2.1ypc?!  Holy Sheet, that's elite!

                        Also, Shmuck fan pressure and most of our fans.  I watched the lot cheer for the Johnny pick.   If you yield to fan pressure in the draft on questionable players while 99% of NFL fans have zero idea what they're talking about, then this FO needs to be tossed for other reasons. 

                        who do you want to pick then einstein. i wanted jimmy g, not johnny. haslam is the one who wanted johnny, the fans didn't beg him to pick him. quit comparing people from this years draft to people of the past. every player has a different story, and that's Sheet logic.

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                          @tiamat63 said:

                          Aside from what was possibly the easiest kick return of his life against one of the worst special teams units in the country, what way did Barkley "explode" against the Bucks?!   Was it the whopping 2.1ypc?!  Holy Sheet, that's elite!

                          Also, Shmuck fan pressure and most of our fans.  I watched the lot cheer for the Johnny pick.   If you yield to fan pressure in the draft on questionable players while 99% of NFL fans have zero idea what they're talking about, then this FO needs to be tossed for other reasons. 

                          who do you want to pick then einstein. i wanted jimmy g, not johnny. haslam is the one who wanted johnny, the fans didn't beg him to pick him. quit comparing people from this years draft to people of the past. every player has a different story, and that's Sheet logic.

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                          tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                          @stillmotion said:

                          who do you want to pick then einstein. i wanted jimmy g, not johnny. haslam is the one who wanted johnny, the fans didn't beg him to pick him. quit comparing people from this years draft to people of the past. every player has a different story, and that's Sheet logic.

                          Oh, no.  You want 'X' player.   If you're the one offering up suggestions, I'm well and right to say hell no without offering my own.  Because one of us realizes how early it is in the process and that this might be a pretty weak draft. 

                          Also, comparing players is called a benchmark and usually a damn good idea.  Helps give a feel for seeing how certain playing styles can mesh and translate to the NFL.

                          Just FYI, my logic is sound. Yours is horseshit.  "He's a leader rarrrarrrr"...    you've got to be kidding. 

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                            Drew Brees will also be a FA. He would be a great bridge to a new draftee and win us games in the process so everyone could keep their jobs.

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                              Drew Brees will also be a FA. He would be a great bridge to a new draftee and win us games in the process so everyone could keep their jobs.

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                              @texasag1969 said:

                              Drew Brees will also be a FA. He would be a great bridge to a new draftee and win us games in the process so everyone could keep their jobs.

                              I don't see him ever leaving New Orleans, plus he's pretty old. 

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                                Drew Brees will also be a FA. He would be a great bridge to a new draftee and win us games in the process so everyone could keep their jobs.

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                                @texasag1969 said:

                                Drew Brees will also be a FA. He would be a great bridge to a new draftee and win us games in the process so everyone could keep their jobs.

                                Well, he's having 24 millions in a single year contract, and is difficult to cut an established player's salary, so I don't see this FO building that bridge, and I doubt Drew would consider it. At his age you just play for the ring.

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                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  On the other hand.....

                                  Baker Mayfield gets first-round grade in NFL Draft projection

                                  https://search.app.goo.gl/5qWZ

                                  Shared from my Google feed

                                  Mayfield and Barkley is a Shmucking no brainer.

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                                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                  @stillmotion said:

                                  Mayfield and Barkley is a Shmucking no brainer.

                                  Yes....I am looking forward greatly to the second coming of Johnny Manziel and Trent Richardson.  We have missed them around here. We haven't had that feeling here since 1969.

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                                    @stillmotion said:

                                    who do you want to pick then einstein. i wanted jimmy g, not johnny. haslam is the one who wanted johnny, the fans didn't beg him to pick him. quit comparing people from this years draft to people of the past. every player has a different story, and that's Sheet logic.

                                    Oh, no.  You want 'X' player.   If you're the one offering up suggestions, I'm well and right to say hell no without offering my own.  Because one of us realizes how early it is in the process and that this might be a pretty weak draft. 

                                    Also, comparing players is called a benchmark and usually a damn good idea.  Helps give a feel for seeing how certain playing styles can mesh and translate to the NFL.

                                    Just FYI, my logic is sound. Yours is horseshit.  "He's a leader rarrrarrrr"...    you've got to be kidding. 

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                                    @tiamat63 said:

                                    Oh, no.  You want 'X' player.   If you're the one offering up suggestions, I'm well and right to say hell no without offering my own.  Because one of us realizes how early it is in the process and that this might be a pretty weak draft. 

                                    Also, comparing players is called a benchmark and usually a damn good idea.  Helps give a feel for seeing how certain playing styles can mesh and translate to the NFL.

                                    Just FYI, my logic is sound. Yours is horseshit.  "He's a leader rarrrarrrr"...    you've got to be kidding. 

                                    He's front in the race for the heisman, is demolishing everyone, and looking like an NFL ready quarterback. Your opinion is so weak you don't even have anyone you like in the draft or an argument on why we should draft them. Yeah, it's so early in the process we should give Sashi and Hue another ten years to pick a quarterback.

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                                      @tiamat63 said:

                                      Oh, no.  You want 'X' player.   If you're the one offering up suggestions, I'm well and right to say hell no without offering my own.  Because one of us realizes how early it is in the process and that this might be a pretty weak draft. 

                                      Also, comparing players is called a benchmark and usually a damn good idea.  Helps give a feel for seeing how certain playing styles can mesh and translate to the NFL.

                                      Just FYI, my logic is sound. Yours is horseshit.  "He's a leader rarrrarrrr"...    you've got to be kidding. 

                                      He's front in the race for the heisman, is demolishing everyone, and looking like an NFL ready quarterback. Your opinion is so weak you don't even have anyone you like in the draft or an argument on why we should draft them. Yeah, it's so early in the process we should give Sashi and Hue another ten years to pick a quarterback.

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                                      tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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                                      @stillmotion said:

                                      He's front in the race for the heisman, is demolishing everyone, and looking like an NFL ready quarterback. Your opinion is so weak you don't even have anyone you like in the draft or an argument on why we should draft them. Yeah, it's so early in the process we should give Sashi and Hue another ten years to pick a quarterback.

                                      Still haven't seen you post a single trait that makes Baker NFL ready other than you saying "HEISMAN!!!!!".

                                      I'd still like you to show me evidence of reads or do you even watch the prospects you talk about?  Because right now I'm leaning towards the latter.   

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                                        @d-bone said:

                                        Got to wait and see how the rest of the season, the combine and the draft unfolds... Nobody knows what will happen. It's very possible that both, one or neither will be there with our second 1st round pick. 

                                        Time will tell. 

                                        In my opinion, Barkley is the most talented player coming out of the draft. Sashi said he didn't want to reach for a QB, and I currently believe at this moment, Rosen, D'Arnold, Allen, Jackson or any other QB would be a reach at #1 

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                                        @stillmotion said:

                                        In my opinion, Barkley is the most talented player coming out of the draft. Sashi said he didn't want to reach for a QB, and I currently believe at this moment, Rosen, D'Arnold, Allen, Jackson or any other QB would be a reach at #1 

                                        Barkley's terrible. You've yet to refute his terrible running stats against good (and some bad) teams.

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                                          Barkley isnt terrible. Teams stack the box on him. He's a better pure runner than even zeke was and we see what zeke has done. That being said we cant pass on a qb this year.

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