"With the First Pick of the 2018 Draft, the Browns Select..."
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again - Wentz, who was my number one pick in every mock draft, and I didn't want Goff.... had a far better
team around him than Allen. And the offense was in place for a lot less time. The same hc for Wentz at N. Dakota..
is Josh Allen's hc at Wyoming. NO qb can have good stats when he doesn't have talent around him, and often the talent
is far better on the other team.
It isn't just me, either. I see greatness in the abilities of the kid, regardless of the freakin stats.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/02/nick-stevens-or-josh-allen-best-mountain-west-quarterback/
"Allen, 6-foot-5 and 240 pounds, was anointed NFL draft royalty after a sophomore season in which he passed for 3,203 yards and 28 touchdowns, prompting one league executive to tell ESPN’s Adam Schefter: “You can put it in the books — Josh Allen will be the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft next year.” That’s not the consensus now; recent mock selections from CBS Sports, USA Today and Pro Football Focus don’t even have Allen being drafted in the first round. Bleacher Report, though, lists Allen at No. 6 overall.
The wide range of opinion stems from Allen’s lackluster 2017 statistics and a playing style that both befuddles and inspires. Wyoming graduated starting center Chase Roullier and four players — wide receivers Tanner Gentry and Jake Maulhardt, running back Brian Hill and tight end Jacob Hollister — who accounted for 47 touchdowns on the 2016 team. That attrition led Allen to try to play hero ball this season"
CS qb Stevens had a lot better stats, maybe mark thinks he's the superior qb.
Trouble is, he had a lot better cast of players around him:
"Stevens, meanwhile, has thrived at CSU thanks in part to a strong supporting cast that features the nation’s leading receiver in Michael Gallup (1,167 yards), an offensive line that has allowed only four sacks and tailbacks Dalyn Dawkins and Izzy Matthews, who have combined to rush for 1,438 yards and 12 touchdowns.
Sheeze, CSU's OFFENSE has nothing to do with their DEFENSE, nice try at some spin. So some crackpot blogger has Allen #1 overall? You ignoring the big bold, huh?
Sophmore season- I was all in on fail for Cardale. He still even on the Bills roster?
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Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
here is what I'm saying. Going by stats is like walking a minefield in a WWII video game. You make mistakes, surely.
I'll draft a kid like Josh Allen, or even Clayton Thorson, over Mark's superstar qb with outstanding stats in college poster on his wall..
Brady Quinn.
courtesy of Wikipedia:
Quinn accepted the offer to attend Notre Dame, where he set 36 Fighting Irish records during his four seasons with the team. There were ten career records, twelve single-season records, four single-game records and ten miscellaneous records broken by Quinn throughout those four years, including the record for career pass attempts with 1,602; completions with 929; yards-per-game with 239.6; touchdown passes with 95, and the Irish's lowest interception percentage with 2.43. Quinn won 29 games as a starter at Notre Dame, tied with Ron Powlus and Tom Clements for the most in school history.
In 2005, under Notre Dame's new head coach Charlie Weis, Quinn excelled as a starting quarterback, averaging 110 more passing yards per game than he had as a sophomore while increasing his number of touchdown passes from 17 in 2004 to 32 in 2005. Quinn was named to the 2005 AP All-America Team as a third-team quarterback[5] and the 2006 SI.com All-American Team as a second-team quarterback.[6] Quinn received the Sammy Baugh Trophy as the nation's top passer of the 2005 season.[7] At the end of the season, Notre Dame faced Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. Quinn had 29 completions in 45 pass attempts for 286 yards in a 34–20 loss to Ohio State.[8]
Prior to the start of the 2006 college football season, Quinn was featured in a regional cover on the August 22, 2006 issue of Sports Illustrated's 2006 College Football Preview issue along with then-teammates Tom Zbikowski and Travis Thomas with the caption "Notre Dame: The Battle For No. 1."[9] Quinn posted finished the season with 3,426 yards on 289 completions out of 467 attempts for a completion percentage of 61.9% and 7.34 yards per attempt. He threw 37 touchdowns to only 7 interceptions, and was sacked 31 times. Quinn finished the regular season with a passing efficiency rating of 146.65,[10] which ranked him 18th in the country.[11] Notre Dame invited to the 2007 Sugar Bowl on January 3, 2007, where they played LSU. Quinn was held to 148 passing yards. Quinn threw two touchdown passes, both in the first half, and LSU held Notre Dame scoreless through the second half of the game to defeat the Fighting Irish 41–14.[12]
Following the 2006 season, Quinn won several awards, including the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award[13] for the best college quarterback in the nation and the Maxwell Award[14] for the best college football player. .[15] He was named the Cingular All-America Player of the Year[16] and was named to the 2006 AP All-America Team as a second-team quarterback.[17] Quinn graduated from Notre Dame with dual degrees in political science and finance.[18]
Oh, look, Mark - all those great STATS !
here is what I'm saying. Going by stats is like walking a minefield in a WWII video game. You make mistakes, surely.
I'll draft a kid like Josh Allen, or even Clayton Thorson, over Mark's superstar qb with outstanding stats in college poster on his wall..
I didn't say just stats. I said completion percentage in college is a good indication of future accuracy or inaccuracy issues. A guy who's only completing 55% in college isn't going to suddenly learn to be more accurate at the next level when the competition and game is harder.
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I agree to disagree, though - it CAN be an indicator, but only if the teams are generally even in that conference.A great qb playing for a bad team isn't going to have great stats. If Allen played for Georgia/Alabama/LSU..etc, and he had those stats,he would get some really bad reviews. But he plays for a smaller school, "smaller conference", lost some major starters from last season - of course his stats are going to drop. But when I look at all the checkboxes, they are otherwise all filled in.
Stats are a good indication only when other factors are pretty much not warping their relevance. The difference between the year before, when his stats were far, far better, and the lower stats this season speak volumes. Same qb.
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How are Mayfield and Manziel NOT similar?
Just because they're two QB's an shorter doesn't mean they're the same. Johnny played "playground football" while Baker is polished and can actually make reads. Why don't we compare Rosen to Manziel too while we're at it, since they both aren't completely dedicated to the game of football.
Just because they're two QB's an shorter doesn't mean they're the same. Johnny played "playground football" while Baker is polished and can actually make reads. Why don't we compare Rosen to Manziel too while we're at it, since they both aren't completely dedicated to the game of football.
Going to need to see some evidence of this.
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Everyone needs to stop with the qb and rb talk. For the millionth time it will not matter who you get they cant run through 5 rushers and you can throw when your on your back. Fix the line, fix the gosh dam line. Cleveland focus should be on nothing but the line with the first to picks and free agency. Then bring back hue for another year and go get a qb in free agency for a bridge to the franchise qb. Do you want what the colts have. Have luck and he's hurt and my never be the same. Fix the line and the whole team will be better. And personal I would like to see what cardell jones could do behind a great line. And he would be cheap. Cause god know the Cleveland fans don't want hoyer even though he brought wins.
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Everyone needs to stop with the qb and rb talk. For the millionth time it will not matter who you get they cant run through 5 rushers and you can throw when your on your back. Fix the line, fix the gosh dam line. Cleveland focus should be on nothing but the line with the first to picks and free agency. Then bring back hue for another year and go get a qb in free agency for a bridge to the franchise qb. Do you want what the colts have. Have luck and he's hurt and my never be the same. Fix the line and the whole team will be better. And personal I would like to see what cardell jones could do behind a great line. And he would be cheap. Cause god know the Cleveland fans don't want hoyer even though he brought wins.
Everyone needs to stop with the qb and rb talk. For the millionth time it will not matter who you get they cant run through 5 rushers and you can throw when your on your back. Fix the line, fix the gosh dam line. Cleveland focus should be on nothing but the line with the first to picks and free agency. Then bring back hue for another year and go get a qb in free agency for a bridge to the franchise qb. Do you want what the colts have. Have luck and he's hurt and my never be the same. Fix the line and the whole team will be better. And personal I would like to see what cardell jones could do behind a great line. And he would be cheap. Cause god know the Cleveland fans don't want hoyer even though he brought wins.
I'll give you a hint... about what he's doing for San Diego.
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Or, you have horrible logic. Comparing Mayfield to Manziel is like comparing Tom Brady to Kizer. I said to pick Barkley. The kid is an animal. If he's anything for us like Fournette has been for the jags, we can run the offense around him. Add in a couple of recievers, and all we need is a game manager as a QB. If we can get somebody like Baker Mayfield later, I would absolutely love it. He's smart, more accurate than you think, and where the heck did i say "athletic, big arm, intangibles?" Have you even watched him play this year?
I'm sure you'd rather have Allen, or Rosen, or D'Arnold who I think aren't NFL ready. I'd compare Mayfield to Drew Brees.
I believe Ghoolie is right and we don't need Lamar Jackson. He's another black tarkenton.
How are Mayfield and Manziel NOT similar?
How are Mayfield and Manziel NOT similar?
Mayfield does have about 3 inches on Johnny. And that's about it.
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Yeah I said cardale behind a good line
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Everyone needs to stop with the qb and rb talk. For the millionth time it will not matter who you get they cant run through 5 rushers and you can throw when your on your back. Fix the line, fix the gosh dam line. Cleveland focus should be on nothing but the line with the first to picks and free agency. Then bring back hue for another year and go get a qb in free agency for a bridge to the franchise qb. Do you want what the colts have. Have luck and he's hurt and my never be the same. Fix the line and the whole team will be better. And personal I would like to see what cardell jones could do behind a great line. And he would be cheap. Cause god know the Cleveland fans don't want hoyer even though he brought wins.
Everyone needs to stop with the qb and rb talk. For the millionth time it will not matter who you get they cant run through 5 rushers and you can throw when your on your back. Fix the line, fix the gosh dam line. Cleveland focus should be on nothing but the line with the first to picks and free agency. Then bring back hue for another year and go get a qb in free agency for a bridge to the franchise qb. Do you want what the colts have. Have luck and he's hurt and my never be the same. Fix the line and the whole team will be better. And personal I would like to see what cardell jones could do behind a great line. And he would be cheap. Cause god know the Cleveland fans don't want hoyer even though he brought wins.
The Cleveland Browns have the 7th highest paid offensive line in football this year. I'd say they did fix the line. How much more fixing do you want to do? The QB and RB and WR's stink.
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Everyone needs to stop with the qb and rb talk. For the millionth time it will not matter who you get they cant run through 5 rushers and you can throw when your on your back. Fix the line, fix the gosh dam line. Cleveland focus should be on nothing but the line with the first to picks and free agency. Then bring back hue for another year and go get a qb in free agency for a bridge to the franchise qb. Do you want what the colts have. Have luck and he's hurt and my never be the same. Fix the line and the whole team will be better. And personal I would like to see what cardell jones could do behind a great line. And he would be cheap. Cause god know the Cleveland fans don't want hoyer even though he brought wins.
The Cleveland Browns have the 7th highest paid offensive line in football this year. I'd say they did fix the line. How much more fixing do you want to do? The QB and RB and WR's stink.
The Cleveland Browns have the 7th highest paid offensive line in football this year. I'd say they did fix the line. How much more fixing do you want to do? The QB and RB and WR's stink.
True. Talk about drafting linemen all you want but that doesn't address our need of a QB or of playmakers. But it's cool, I guess in a thread about the draft, Tiamat, who's apparently a QB guru said i should shutup about one of the best college runningbacks, and one of the best quarterbacks, because the Browns don't need either of them.
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Definitely I would forget about the lines.
QB, WR, FS, RB, CB. That's for me the order.
And could we use some of the salary space we have in some already proven free agents? We can offer way more than other teams!
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Definitely I would forget about the lines.
QB, WR, FS, RB, CB. That's for me the order.
And could we use some of the salary space we have in some already proven free agents? We can offer way more than other teams!
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Definitely I would forget about the lines.
QB, WR, FS, RB, CB. That's for me the order.
And could we use some of the salary space we have in some already proven free agents? We can offer way more than other teams!
Definitely I would forget about the lines.
QB, WR, FS, RB, CB. That's for me the order.
And could we use some of the salary space we have in some already proven free agents? We can offer way more than other teams!
Agree....the lines are in decent shape. But we seriously need some "outside" talent.......Cover corners, WRs, etc.
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So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
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So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
maybe our QB's suck, we have no receivers, don't use duke johnson enough, and crowell is overrated
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So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
In my opinion it has more to do with the offensive possibilities overall and the playcalling. If your pass attack sucks, and your offense is previsible, which is our case, defensibe backs can sit on the routes they know you are going to run and LBs have more time to get to the QB. And when the call is a run, well, they can guess it pretty easily and get tackles for loss.
To put it simple: if a corp sucks as bad as Brown's receivers and Qb currently do, it affects other corps in the offense and overall everyone looks worse.
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So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
The quarterbacks haven't been hurt at all this season. The running backs (Crowell in particuliar) aren't very good.
And considering you have Thomas at LT and then brought in 2 of the most highly sought after free agents for the offensive line in this pas offseason, I'd say the team did everything in their power to try and "fix" the offensive line. I dont' think it's a line problem. How many sacks has Kizer taken because he holds the ball too long? About every single one of the sacks are because of this reason. It's the one thing that both Kessler and Ben Hogan do better than Kizer, they get rid of the ball faster. Hogan throws it to the other team a lot when he starts but he doesn't get sacked.
Offensive line is the least of our problems on a team with no stars. There isn't one player starting a game for this offense that scares the other team. Gordon if he makes it back will certainly help that out but not if Kizer is still throwing everything 10 feel over his head.
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How are Mayfield and Manziel NOT similar?
Just because they're two QB's an shorter doesn't mean they're the same. Johnny played "playground football" while Baker is polished and can actually make reads. Why don't we compare Rosen to Manziel too while we're at it, since they both aren't completely dedicated to the game of football.
Just because they're two QB's an shorter doesn't mean they're the same. Johnny played "playground football" while Baker is polished and can actually make reads. Why don't we compare Rosen to Manziel too while we're at it, since they both aren't completely dedicated to the game of football.
I've been thinking Trace McSorley of Penn State reminds me more of Manziel, on the field anyways. Mobile, smaller than average, chucks the ball downfield and somehow has success doing it.
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So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
Can't tell if trolling....?
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So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
Hoping that your math is better than your grammar, it's difficult to block 8 with 5.
Mike
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