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So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
The quarterbacks haven't been hurt at all this season. The running backs (Crowell in particuliar) aren't very good.
And considering you have Thomas at LT and then brought in 2 of the most highly sought after free agents for the offensive line in this pas offseason, I'd say the team did everything in their power to try and "fix" the offensive line. I dont' think it's a line problem. How many sacks has Kizer taken because he holds the ball too long? About every single one of the sacks are because of this reason. It's the one thing that both Kessler and Ben Hogan do better than Kizer, they get rid of the ball faster. Hogan throws it to the other team a lot when he starts but he doesn't get sacked.
Offensive line is the least of our problems on a team with no stars. There isn't one player starting a game for this offense that scares the other team. Gordon if he makes it back will certainly help that out but not if Kizer is still throwing everything 10 feel over his head.
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How are Mayfield and Manziel NOT similar?
Just because they're two QB's an shorter doesn't mean they're the same. Johnny played "playground football" while Baker is polished and can actually make reads. Why don't we compare Rosen to Manziel too while we're at it, since they both aren't completely dedicated to the game of football.
Just because they're two QB's an shorter doesn't mean they're the same. Johnny played "playground football" while Baker is polished and can actually make reads. Why don't we compare Rosen to Manziel too while we're at it, since they both aren't completely dedicated to the game of football.
I've been thinking Trace McSorley of Penn State reminds me more of Manziel, on the field anyways. Mobile, smaller than average, chucks the ball downfield and somehow has success doing it.
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So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
Can't tell if trolling....?
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So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
Hoping that your math is better than your grammar, it's difficult to block 8 with 5.
Mike
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How are Mayfield and Manziel NOT similar?
Just because they're two QB's an shorter doesn't mean they're the same. Johnny played "playground football" while Baker is polished and can actually make reads. Why don't we compare Rosen to Manziel too while we're at it, since they both aren't completely dedicated to the game of football.
Just because they're two QB's an shorter doesn't mean they're the same. Johnny played "playground football" while Baker is polished and can actually make reads. Why don't we compare Rosen to Manziel too while we're at it, since they both aren't completely dedicated to the game of football.
Baker plays plenty of playground football of his own.
Mayfield does have about 3 inches on Johnny. And that's about it.
I doubt that. We'll see at the combine.
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Just because they're two QB's an shorter doesn't mean they're the same. Johnny played "playground football" while Baker is polished and can actually make reads. Why don't we compare Rosen to Manziel too while we're at it, since they both aren't completely dedicated to the game of football.
Baker plays plenty of playground football of his own.
Mayfield does have about 3 inches on Johnny. And that's about it.
I doubt that. We'll see at the combine.
Baker plays plenty of playground football of his own.
I doubt that. We'll see at the combine.
Johnny was 5'11 3/4 and a little over 6' in cleats. Which is about right because when I saw Johnny in camp he was maybe an inch taller than me.
Baker Mayfield ain't no 6'3. Hell, he's MAYBE 6'1 in cleats. So he'll check in around the magical 6ft mark.
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So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
So if the line is fixed why is the qbs always getting hurt and the running backs get hit in the backfield. Just because the highly paid does not mean there good.
What QBs have gotten hurt? I mean....that had been a major problem in years past...but I don't think any QB has been injured this year...yet. Have they?
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Mayfield does have about 3 inches on Johnny. And that's about it.
I doubt that. We'll see at the combine.
I thought JFF was about 5'10"....and Mayfield is listed at 6'1".
Is that wrong?
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As I said a new qb and or running back will not help the browns. To get better and win the offensive line has to get better. Either through the draft or free agency. The browns line o line blows period. The only way to win is through high line play. Exception Russell Wilson. The browns have done this same cycle over and over. We have to get a qb we have to get WRs. And it fails. Time for a new direction.
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Not to mention Sam Darnold already said he's not going to Cleveland
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Not to mention Sam Darnold already said he's not going to Cleveland
Not to mention Sam Darnold already said he's not going to Cleveland
If he is drafted he will come. But...if he made that kind of statement....it is already one indication that he is a gutless loser. No QB who has any chutzpah....any guts, any kohones, would walk away from such a challenge.
Regardless of that...I have seen a few reports that definitely do NOT put him at the top of this QB class.
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I agree to disagree, though - it CAN be an indicator, but only if the teams are generally even in that conference.A great qb playing for a bad team isn't going to have great stats. If Allen played for Georgia/Alabama/LSU..etc, and he had those stats,he would get some really bad reviews. But he plays for a smaller school, "smaller conference", lost some major starters from last season - of course his stats are going to drop. But when I look at all the checkboxes, they are otherwise all filled in.
Stats are a good indication only when other factors are pretty much not warping their relevance. The difference between the year before, when his stats were far, far better, and the lower stats this season speak volumes. Same qb.
I agree to disagree, though - it CAN be an indicator, but only if the teams are generally even in that conference.A great qb playing for a bad team isn't going to have great stats. If Allen played for Georgia/Alabama/LSU..etc, and he had those stats,he would get some really bad reviews. But he plays for a smaller school, "smaller conference", lost some major starters from last season - of course his stats are going to drop. But when I look at all the checkboxes, they are otherwise all filled in.
Stats are a good indication only when other factors are pretty much not warping their relevance. The difference between the year before, when his stats were far, far better, and the lower stats this season speak volumes. Same qb.
Mountain West isn't Big 10 or SEC, but it's not creampuff. Boise State has had decent teams for years. You can watch your hero again Saturday night on ESPNU. And if you like Allen, you have to love Deshone KIzer- they play about the same, & Kizer's stats at Notre Dame were even better than Allen's.
Stats were far, far better last year? Threw for more touchdowns- and that's about it. Same completion %, TD\INT ratio. Wow, he really tore apart Gardner-Webb (I'll buy a root beer if you can tell me where that school is without looking it up) and Utah State.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3918298/josh-allen
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As I said a new qb and or running back will not help the browns. To get better and win the offensive line has to get better. Either through the draft or free agency. The browns line o line blows period. The only way to win is through high line play. Exception Russell Wilson. The browns have done this same cycle over and over. We have to get a qb we have to get WRs. And it fails. Time for a new direction.
As I said a new qb and or running back will not help the browns. To get better and win the offensive line has to get better. Either through the draft or free agency. The browns line o line blows period. The only way to win is through high line play. Exception Russell Wilson. The browns have done this same cycle over and over. We have to get a qb we have to get WRs. And it fails. Time for a new direction.
Really, how much more fixing do you want? Joe thomas is HOF, Bitonio is considered one of the better LG in the NFL, and Zeitler is considered one of the top RG in the game- and got paid like one in FA.
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As I said a new qb and or running back will not help the browns. To get better and win the offensive line has to get better. Either through the draft or free agency. The browns line o line blows period. The only way to win is through high line play. Exception Russell Wilson. The browns have done this same cycle over and over. We have to get a qb we have to get WRs. And it fails. Time for a new direction.
As I said a new qb and or running back will not help the browns. To get better and win the offensive line has to get better. Either through the draft or free agency. The browns line o line blows period. The only way to win is through high line play. Exception Russell Wilson. The browns have done this same cycle over and over. We have to get a qb we have to get WRs. And it fails. Time for a new direction.
That's pretty ignorant, considering how much we spent on the o-line this offseason. You need to make QB and WR, two of our weakest positions better.
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I agree to disagree, though - it CAN be an indicator, but only if the teams are generally even in that conference.A great qb playing for a bad team isn't going to have great stats. If Allen played for Georgia/Alabama/LSU..etc, and he had those stats,he would get some really bad reviews. But he plays for a smaller school, "smaller conference", lost some major starters from last season - of course his stats are going to drop. But when I look at all the checkboxes, they are otherwise all filled in.
Stats are a good indication only when other factors are pretty much not warping their relevance. The difference between the year before, when his stats were far, far better, and the lower stats this season speak volumes. Same qb.
Mountain West isn't Big 10 or SEC, but it's not creampuff. Boise State has had decent teams for years. You can watch your hero again Saturday night on ESPNU. And if you like Allen, you have to love Deshone KIzer- they play about the same, & Kizer's stats at Notre Dame were even better than Allen's.
Stats were far, far better last year? Threw for more touchdowns- and that's about it. Same completion %, TD\INT ratio. Wow, he really tore apart Gardner-Webb (I'll buy a root beer if you can tell me where that school is without looking it up) and Utah State.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3918298/josh-allen
And if you like Allen, you have to love Deshone KIzer-
oh, bullhockey. I keep watching Allen do things in college that Kizer doesn't even do in the pros. Kizer nearly never
looks off receivers - he stares them down like he has no clue. Allen often looks one way, scans across the field, throws
into the middle, or the exact opposite direction he started out looking at.Allen has different throws - he has a lot of different
touches on the ball when he throws... Kizer only has one throw - straight bullet, way too hard for short throws.... Allen played in
the same pro-style offense that Wentz did, because he has the same coach that Wentz did. Kizer did NOT play in a pro-style offense.
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Why not trade up to have the 1st and 2nd picks. It's not like we are short of draft picks.
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Why not trade up to have the 1st and 2nd picks. It's not like we are short of draft picks.
Why not trade up to have the 1st and 2nd picks. It's not like we are short of draft picks.
For what purpose? Who do you have in mind?
The year to have done that is last year, then they could have had Garrett and Trubisky.
And...if they had just turned in the card...this year they could have had Garrett and Watson.
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And if you like Allen, you have to love Deshone KIzer-
oh, bullhockey. I keep watching Allen do things in college that Kizer doesn't even do in the pros. Kizer nearly never
looks off receivers - he stares them down like he has no clue. Allen often looks one way, scans across the field, throws
into the middle, or the exact opposite direction he started out looking at.Allen has different throws - he has a lot of different
touches on the ball when he throws... Kizer only has one throw - straight bullet, way too hard for short throws.... Allen played in
the same pro-style offense that Wentz did, because he has the same coach that Wentz did. Kizer did NOT play in a pro-style offense.
oh, bullhockey. I keep watching Allen do things in college that Kizer doesn't even do in the pros. Kizer nearly never
looks off receivers - he stares them down like he has no clue. Allen often looks one way, scans across the field, throws
into the middle, or the exact opposite direction he started out looking at.Allen has different throws - he has a lot of different
touches on the ball when he throws... Kizer only has one throw - straight bullet, way too hard for short throws.... Allen played in
the same pro-style offense that Wentz did, because he has the same coach that Wentz did. Kizer did NOT play in a pro-style offense.
Nice deflection- he's still not accurate enough. Says me and Ag.
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Not to mention Sam Darnold already said he's not going to Cleveland
Not to mention Sam Darnold already said he's not going to Cleveland
Care to show us a link where he allegedly said this?
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Why not trade up to have the 1st and 2nd picks. It's not like we are short of draft picks.
Why not trade up to have the 1st and 2nd picks. It's not like we are short of draft picks.
Sashi will likely trade down our second first round pick if anything.
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